Originally posted by VultureSkull

 

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by VultureSkull

 

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by VultureSkull

 

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by VultureSkull

People hate Wow because they played it for 2 years enjoyed it and now that they can't find anything better

they are frustrated and turn their angry to WoW.

 

WoW is the best fantasy MMO out there at the moment, the other is Eve(Sci-fI)

They are both polished and enjoyable. And no body can really argue with that.

 

 

 

 

Let me correct you. If you say all it should probably apply to me.

 

I started wow a year after it was released together with my EQ1 guild (50 people). We made level 60 in 3 weeks and finished all raids up to AQ twins in 3 months after server open (it was a fresh new server). It was far from challenging, far from fun so we all quit. We tried it and didnt like it. Now we play either vg, eq2 or even (guild broke up into fragments) and enjoy our time.

It doesnt apply to you cos from what you say, "you got to lvl60 in 3 weeks", means that you are a power player.

 

And from what i have seen of power players they are horrible nasty people who dont play games they work on them, and if you try and play with them you will understand what i mean.

 

so when i say all i am not talking about the Power players, my bad.

Ok, now what about people who love crafting. Who likes to build their own houses and place furniture there. Who wants to spend most of the time socializing and less time fightning and doing quests hm? You think this group is also happy in WoW?

 

And what about group of people who likes to group. Who wants to easily find a group and do anything in it. You know in WoW soloing is much more effective and players tend to solo, so finding a group takes so much time and its not rewarding anyway. Do you think this group of people is also happy in WoW?

I could continue, with more examples, so you next time avoid generalizing and saying all people played wow for 2 years and now are angry...

 

And i am not saying it is has everytihing, i said that ppl cant find better, hence they turn round and hate WoW.

 

 

 

Of course they do. WoW doesnt have 100% control over the market. You know there are people, real people made of flesh and bones that have different tastes and priorities than you. And actually enjoy things you dont enjoy and dislike things you like. Can you imagine that? :)

Indeed i can, i can imagine that i would have loved VS if it had been halve as polished as WoW when it came out ;-)

 

What gets me is that ppl play WoW for 2 or even 3 years and burn themselves out and then start to flame the game.

I want someone to come on here and say they picked up the game and played it for 2 days and found they hated it, and then tell us why and what game they have found that they do find fun.

 

And then I hope we don't want to read whines from people that played it for 2 days moaning its unbalanced or bad dungeons or whatever when they havent properly checked it out. I believe the opinion from someone that saw almost all parts of the game is more relevant then someone who didnt even finished his trial.

It sucks because after spending hours upon hours to get something really nice, be it by raiding every night to get deep within the epic gear or pvp'ing like crazy to get whole sets of purples they swoop in and BAM take it all away from you. Sweet you have full t6 in a couple of monthes its going to be crap.

I spent monthes of time before the first expansion getting my full t1, then full t2 and my guild destroyed AQ40 and were starting on naxx, and then expansion came out and I replaced ALL my epics within the first two levels. How do you think that made me feel? That tons of hours of my life were spent on getting jack because with one little expansion it was made entirely worthless. And guess what? They plan on doing it again and again every f'ing year.

Another thing I noticed while playing, while a big majority of the player base were kids in their teens there was also a large percentage of older people, in their early 20s to late 30s/early 40s who played. Nothing wrong with that, but I often heard how they had a wife and kids which they ignored while they played WoW countless hours of the day while they wern't working. I mean come on, who would rather play a virtual reality game while they could be playing with their own children? What do you think they are going to think of you as they grow up?

Seriously people, they need to start MMO help groups that are run by the people who run AA and stuff. Make WoW rehabs or something.

It is a decent game but come on...

We're on the same boat, but I still dont agree with you. Don't say what now when you farmed like mad for epics that are being constantly upgraded and you have to farm over and over.

The process of farming of those items should be fun and enjoyable, not just having the items. That way you are never disappointed if you lose them, because the activity is fun. Not just the result. If the activity is boring, then something's wrong.

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by VultureSkull

 

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by VultureSkull

People hate Wow because they played it for 2 years enjoyed it and now that they can't find anything better

they are frustrated and turn their angry to WoW.

 

WoW is the best fantasy MMO out there at the moment, the other is Eve(Sci-fI)

They are both polished and enjoyable. And no body can really argue with that.

 

 

 

 

Let me correct you. If you say all it should probably apply to me.

 

I started wow a year after it was released together with my EQ1 guild (50 people). We made level 60 in 3 weeks and finished all raids up to AQ twins in 3 months after server open (it was a fresh new server). It was far from challenging, far from fun so we all quit. We tried it and didnt like it. Now we play either vg, eq2 or even (guild broke up into fragments) and enjoy our time.

It doesnt apply to you cos from what you say, "you got to lvl60 in 3 weeks", means that you are a power player.

 

And from what i have seen of power players they are horrible nasty people who dont play games they work on them, and if you try and play with them you will understand what i mean.

 

so when i say all i am not talking about the Power players, my bad.

Ok, now what about people who love crafting. Who likes to build their own houses and place furniture there. Who wants to spend most of the time socializing and less time fightning and doing quests hm? You think this group is also happy in WoW?

 

And what about group of people who likes to group. Who wants to easily find a group and do anything in it. You know in WoW soloing is much more effective and players tend to solo, so finding a group takes so much time and its not rewarding anyway. Do you think this group of people is also happy in WoW?

I could continue, with more examples, so you next time avoid generalizing and saying all people played wow for 2 years and now are angry...

Also if the above is infact what you are looking for... wouldnt it be worth grouping with such good mates rather then lvling to 60 say a couple of weeks faster? I guess not.

If you want to, this game can be all about grinds and gear and making boss kills and progress every week and DKP and whatnot... it doesnt have to be tho. Nobodys forcing you, you're making these rules up yourself 

I wasnt talking about me. I was giving out examples. Personally what I like is deep crafting that I can improve separately from adventuring. Also I want to have a house either non-instanced or at least instanced. I also want a guild hall. Apart from that I want realistic graphics no matter how much demanding is it on my computer. It can handle a lot. Apart from that I want challenging raid environment that rewards people not just by better items that can be used for combat (For example access to special parts of town, or trophies for house, or another transportation method..) Unfortunately almost none of these are in WoW. Believe it or not, there are games out there that matches my priorities.

You say I can play WoW any way I want. But I can't see how is possible to play WoW to decorate my house or to build a ship...

I don't know why so many people say that they hate wow (the OP's words), with all that amound of players it says itselfe that it can't be so bad.  but as for me.. i did not enjoy playing Wow   (while I was playing it) the pvp was very unbalanced (frostmage, warlock pwns all) and they where alway nerfing and buffing my druid so I never knw how much "power" I had. the world was okey for me to explore  but I realy did not like the same type of quest over and over again (pve is not may way of gaming anyway, but it realy was a pain for me getting to lvl 70 When I reach max lvl and the thing left was to play Arena, doing raids or go ganking I decided that wow was not a game for me

I dont hate wow. I try to hate the less I can, hate is bad for your health and for your life.

I dont hate any game, just in case I want to play it in the future

Never played WoW :)

Originally posted by Thillian

We're on the same boat, but I still dont agree with you. Don't say what now when you farmed like mad for epics that are being constantly upgraded and you have to farm over and over.

The process of farming of those items should be fun and enjoyable, not just having the items. That way you are never disappointed if you lose them, because the activity is fun. Not just the result. If the activity is boring, then something's wrong.

Farming is an artificial mechanism. No amount of polishing is going to turn that turd into anything but a shiney turd.

Originally posted by Feyshtey

 

Originally posted by Thillian

We're on the same boat, but I still dont agree with you. Don't say what now when you farmed like mad for epics that are being constantly upgraded and you have to farm over and over.

The process of farming of those items should be fun and enjoyable, not just having the items. That way you are never disappointed if you lose them, because the activity is fun. Not just the result. If the activity is boring, then something's wrong.

The fact that you've got groups of people killing the same NPC over and over and over so that everyone can have So-and-so's sword is a flawed premise from the start. Any game mechanic built upon that will also be flawed. I dont care how interesting you make the encounter. If you are killing the same stuff for an indefinate duration, you're going to get bored. Period.

 

Farming is an artificial mechanism. No amount of polishing is going to turn that turd into anything but a shiney turd.

 

 

 

Thats what I meant, if the activity for getting items is boring and the only joy is the feeling you got them than there's something wrong.

1.) Re-hashed shallow gameplay, lack of originality.

2.) Fairly linear progression.

3.) Community.

4.) Gross class imbalance in PvP.

5.) Simon-Says style scripted raids/events rather than forcing players to re-act to the unexpected.

6.) Community.

7.) Bland, tedious and repetative 'Kill x boars' tasks (not deserving of the term 'Quest") passed off as content.

8.) Total lack of character diversity.

9.) Poor balance amongst the talent trees, making certain classes vastly affected by their decisions for some content while others can use any spec for all 3 (Instances/raiding, soloing, PvP) equally well. (Prot warrior, Holy priest for example).

10-18.) Community

19.) Disgusting class imbalance in PvP.

20.) Shallow game mechanics, lack of scope, blatant 'lifting' of ideas from other games while failing to innovate.

21.) The general self-centered, greedy, childish, rude, snotty, crass community Blizzard seems to foster and encourage, making them seem as immature as their customers.

The people that generally say that they hate the game fall into a few different types;

1 - Mindless drones - The main gang are those that feel it is 'cool' to hate the game just because it is so popular or because someone else says it is and they have no voice of their own. Most of them will echo the age old excuses without any real validation. This breed may have actually played the game in trial or at a friends house.

2 - Other MMO Fanatics - They will always spew the old 'My MMO is far better than WoW because' thing or 'WoW is crap because my MMO does this' thing.

3 - Ex Players - More than likely hardcore players who have played all of the games PvP or Raid content to death and feel that there is nothing left for them so they are now going to hate it. This breed will never realise that if you play any game 24/7 it will only last a finite amount of time or that there are other things to do than just PvP and raid.

4 - Never played - Very similar to the 'Mindless drones' but they have never actually played the game which makes them worse in reality as they actually have no idea at all what they are talking about.

There are probably more, but they are the general types you find. The real question you have to ask yourself is why so many of these people spend so much time on the boards of a game they don't like?? Go Figure!

Originally posted by Valkaern

1.) Re-hashed shallow gameplay, lack of originality.

2.) Fairly linear progression.

3.) Community.

4.) Gross class imbalance in PvP.

5.) Simon-Says style scripted raids/events rather than forcing players to re-act to the unexpected.

6.) Community.

7.) Bland, tedious and repetative 'Kill x boars' tasks (not deserving of the term 'Quest") passed off as content.

8.) Total lack of character diversity.

9.) Poor balance amongst the talent trees, making certain classes vastly affected by their decisions for some content while others can use any spec for all 3 (Instances/raiding, soloing, PvP) equally well. (Prot warrior, Holy priest for example).

10-18.) Community

19.) Disgusting class imbalance in PvP.

20.) Shallow game mechanics, lack of scope, blatant 'lifting' of ideas from other games while failing to innovate.

21.) The general self-centered, greedy, childish, rude, snotty, crass community Blizzard seems to foster and encourage, making them seem as immature as their customers.

You forgot... "IMHO" at the end of that pile-o-text.

Originally posted by Valkaern

1.) Re-hashed shallow gameplay, lack of originality.

2.) Fairly linear progression.

3.) Community.

4.) Gross class imbalance in PvP.

5.) Simon-Says style scripted raids/events rather than forcing players to re-act to the unexpected.

6.) Community.

7.) Bland, tedious and repetative 'Kill x boars' tasks (not deserving of the term 'Quest") passed off as content.

8.) Total lack of character diversity.

9.) Poor balance amongst the talent trees, making certain classes vastly affected by their decisions for some content while others can use any spec for all 3 (Instances/raiding, soloing, PvP) equally well. (Prot warrior, Holy priest for example).

10-18.) Community

19.) Disgusting class imbalance in PvP.

20.) Shallow game mechanics, lack of scope, blatant 'lifting' of ideas from other games while failing to innovate.

21.) The general self-centered, greedy, childish, rude, snotty, crass community Blizzard seems to foster and encourage, making them seem as immature as their customers.

Most of your points, without getting into an argument about them, can be directed at most MMOs on the market at the moment.

Only one that i can think of that does not is VS. Which is billed as 3rd generation.

The community is what you have experienced and how you deal with them.

They may well be a majority of children but there are ways of dealing with them.

Dare i ask how long you played WoW and what lvl chars you have?

Originally posted by VultureSkull

 

Originally posted by Valkaern

1.) Re-hashed shallow gameplay, lack of originality.

2.) Fairly linear progression.

3.) Community.

4.) Gross class imbalance in PvP.

5.) Simon-Says style scripted raids/events rather than forcing players to re-act to the unexpected.

6.) Community.

7.) Bland, tedious and repetative 'Kill x boars' tasks (not deserving of the term 'Quest") passed off as content.

8.) Total lack of character diversity.

9.) Poor balance amongst the talent trees, making certain classes vastly affected by their decisions for some content while others can use any spec for all 3 (Instances/raiding, soloing, PvP) equally well. (Prot warrior, Holy priest for example).

10-18.) Community

19.) Disgusting class imbalance in PvP.

20.) Shallow game mechanics, lack of scope, blatant 'lifting' of ideas from other games while failing to innovate.

21.) The general self-centered, greedy, childish, rude, snotty, crass community Blizzard seems to foster and encourage, making them seem as immature as their customers.

Most of your points, without getting into an argument about them, can be directed at most MMOs on the market at the moment.

 

Only one that i can think of that does not is VS. Which is billed as 3rd generation.

The community is what you have experienced and how you deal with them.

They may well be a majority of children but there are ways of dealing with them.

Dare i ask how long you played WoW and what lvl chars you have?

As with anyone who's played WoW for a period of time,  counting your characters and adding their levels is more of  a challenge than actually levelling said characters. If you need me to validate my statement by assuring you that I played for an extensive period of time before drawing these conclusions/letting these conclusions drive me from it: Played to mid 40s in US beta, messed around in EU beta with friends. 1st 60 War on Elune US, 1st guild to do MC on server, few mid 40s alts (levelling in WOW is hardly an achievement). Went to EU Stormrage with some friends as I relocated to the UK and US raid times were way too late for some. Played/raided up through the release of Nax, after finishing that we had a break. Started over on US servers after we moved back, hoping the expansion would have corrected a lot of flaws and a more casual approach might be fun, we played again.

Quickly hit 70, maxed some factions, got some arena gear, checked out Kara and some heroics and then it kind of fell apart. Everyone (we have a static group of 5) started logging in less and less, no drive to go on really. I'm fairly confident I have had more than enough experience with WoW, thanks.

The post asks why people hate WoW, it didn't ask me what I liked about it. Point me to a post that asks what people like about WoW and I'll gladly contribute, it's not  all bad obviously or we wouldn't have given it a 2nd chance let alone a 3rd. Aspects of it are enjoyable and it's certainly polished. However, try and tell me that the community in general is friendly and enjoyable to be around for extended periods of time, or that the game has depth & scope, and I'll have to disagree.  We found ourselves daily pondering some of the design decisions, trying to figure out how exactly they thought certain things were good ideas.

IMO.

Originally posted by Thillian

You say I can play WoW any way I want. But I can't see how is possible to play WoW to decorate my house or to build a ship...

I can see its not the game for you, no housing etc. Is that enough to hate the game really? I mean... do you _hate_ WoW because there's no player housing? Coz that was the topic kinda

I don't hate WoW but it's just to much of a time sink, grind fest, and loot centric.
I like a broad story with in-depth gameplay.

WoW didnt get the nickname "World Of Kiddiecraft" for no reason. 

Adults may have played it initally but increased accessability to the masses and the influx of kids killed it.  Given that the game is simplistic and accessable but the community is just down right a pain in the a$$ to deal with.  People just use the anonymous nature of online life to justify thier immature habits.  They hide behind thier monitors typing out "lol you suck noob" and "L2P" like some stupid mantra.  Guaranteed if anyone spoke to me in person like alot of people did in this "game" and they would have a quick trip to the hospital. Ever asked a typical level 70 in major guild for help? Guaranteed after a few mins you will get the typical "L2P Nub" attitude which permeates this game.  If you like playing with a buncha immature asses then you'll be right at home there spamming up Stormwind with nonsense.

look i love wow but in all honesty wow did copy everquest a lot...

who cares though, wow > everquest, they got all the mistakes in everquest and improved them :P

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Let me correct you. If you say all it should probably apply to me.

 

I started wow a year after it was released together with my EQ1 guild (50 people). We made level 60 in 3 weeks and finished all raids up to AQ twins in 3 months after server open (it was a fresh new server). It was far from challenging, far from fun so we all quit. We tried it and didnt like it. Now we play either vg, eq2 or even (guild broke up into fragments) and enjoy our time.

Man I have heard some big fish stories, but this just takes the cake.

Thanks for the laugh though.