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Rhoklaw
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Ever since the days of EQ and AC, I've played MMO's on internet connections ranging from 56k modem to 5MB cable. Unfortunately, I'm back to 56k unless I decide to purchase a new laptop and drive around looking for free access to someones unsecure wireless connection. I'm not embarassed by the fact I may have to use 56k, because not every part of the US has cable connection. Some might suggest investing in a satelite but to be honest, those are even less reliable then a modem connection. So, how about we do a poll, so I can find out just how many other gamers out there are forced to use 56k modems to play their MMO's. Also, maybe some of you current modem users could give me some feedback into the current latency in games you currently play.
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Czzarre
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10/09/07 11:27:18 AM#2
A recent study reported that at least half of american households now have DSL or better internet connection. The developers for US games have likely taken the stance that they should develope for high speed connectivity. Likely that most (but not all) people who dont have high speed are not gamers and are not likely to buy their games. However, back in the day of EQ1, AC, and DAOC many (including myself) enjoyed the squeaky musical tones of 56K. Torrential |
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10/09/07 11:44:05 AM#3
Its rare but I've met people who play with 56k connections because of where they live, in WoW (pre TBC) they lagged a bit more than everyone else but otherwise they were able to play just fine. WoW really made it easy for dial up users to play even if they were a spot or two behind everyone. The Dial up users were usually the first to lag out and get booted from the game though. If you want the TBC they recommend / require cable / dsl connections accordoing to the box, it won't stop dial up users from playing it though. When a game isn't made to be compatible with 56k its damn near impossible to play with people on dial up. This one poor wizard I played with once in DDO got booted twice and lagged out so much during battles he was pratically worthless. Thankfully we had a full party that day to make up for it.
It sounds like your area has dsl/cable ability are you to cheap to get it on your own or is your laptop port broken or portless? You can get nonwireless adapter cards for your laptop from newegg like this one right here, course it means you have to pay to get cable / dsl of your own since most people don't like leechers. www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED! |
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10/09/07 1:33:20 PM#4
COMCAST FTW |
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Rhoklaw
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Originally posted by elvenangel It's funny you should put it so elegantly, because quite contrary to everyones belief, America is not as far advanced in communication as everyone would like to think. There are several states that have little or no access to cable or even DSL, simply because of the density of population. I currently live in Wisconsin and the county I live in has no massive network of cable or fiber optics running around to every household. In fact, I live 4 miles from the nearest town and they still haven't supplied DSL access this far out. Sure, I could get satelite, but like I said, satelite is actually less reliable for gaming then 56k. As for your remark about me being to cheap, the answer is no. Being cheap isn't always the factor of people being forced to use 56k. It truely is amazing so many folks think America has some massive network of fiber optics running to every house. Believe it or not, there are parts of America that are still dwelling in the dark ages of communication and technology. |
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bezado
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10/10/07 10:02:44 AM#6
Originally posted by Rhoklaw Unfortunately at this time it is not econamical to supply potential customers outside a larger cities because they would need a hub every 3 miles. People in the outskirts of large cities and people living in the country will probably never see a real high speed internet connection unless they have whats called IOP internet over powerlines. Essentially your internet connection is from your homes power outlets. You can plug in anywhere in your home and have high speed internet. Mainly Europe has this and some parts of the USA.
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10/10/07 10:10:07 AM#7
Originally posted by Rhoklaw
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED! |
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10/10/07 10:12:37 AM#8
I am also from wisconsin, but the county i live in has cable/dsl access, but my city has only had it for about 7 years now, prior to that i was playing Counterstrike on 56K :) oh yea, it was fun trying to compesate for lag, have to lead a target by about 6 feet!! anyways, to OP, most of the satelite providers in wisconsin are fairly stable, meaning you shouldnt have problems gaming with a satalite conection, unless there is a storm, then your conection will probably go dead. an overcast might give you a bit of lag, but overall performace will be far superior to 56K. We need to push for wisconsin cities to go the route of bigger cities.. city wide WI-FI ftw! |
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bezado
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10/10/07 10:27:28 AM#9
Originally posted by Deatrix Wi-FI is only covered at certain spots called hot spots. SInce WI-FI is a limited range of around 60-180 feet there is no way to transform a whole city into Wi-Fi without significant costs to the patrons. Large cities that have Wi-Fi only offer it in certain spots like I said called hot spots.
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10/10/07 10:32:46 AM#10
um....read a fucking newspaper once in a while... or you know..anything.. it was at least three years ago, a few major cities starting offering city wide wi-fi., transmitters atop light posts across the city. it caught on in a few places,and now that the test phases are done alot of major cities are thinking of working it into the budget to pick up the same program. the whole point was no more looking for "hot spotts". sorry for the angry post but ignorance is no excuse....that and i just got out of a budgeting meeting that can stroke me...i need a bowl... |
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bezado
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10/10/07 10:38:08 AM#11
Originally posted by Deatrix No not at all. Those test cities proved invalid for city wide wi-fi. I live near Tampa and the city is huge, when I go there I can hardly find a good wi-fi spot. As far as the 2 major cities I think this test was done on still doesn't offer good coverage. Read the internet and other sources before you sound like an idiot next time. Deatrix
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10/10/07 10:45:56 AM#12
I'm on 24 Mbit currently, so are most of my friends, its very common here in sweden. I know alot of ppl with 100mb but unfortunately its not available in my small town yet :( 
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Thaylos
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Joined: 7/26/06
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10/10/07 11:30:30 AM#13
Let me tell you I feel your pain. I was a 56k user until about 8 years ago when a close friend talked me in to trying high-speed DSL. Until recently whenever I moved I would always ensure that my high-speed DSL connection was one of the first utilities that I had connected. I was definitely a high-speed DSL junkie. Last November I moved back to South Carolina and moved in with a girlfriend. She lives in a rural area of South Carolina where we are 1200 feet outside the nearest access hub that would allow us DSL access through the phone lines. Instead of reverting back to my old ways and using a 56k connection we decided to try satellite DSL through Hughes-Net. BIG MISTAKE..... I can say you are wrong in your assumption that they are less reliable then a modem connection. Thats about the ONLY good thing I can say. The only time connection has been an issue if a extremely bad storm is in the area. Overcast skies or even average storms usually do not present any problems. That being said let me tell you all the problems I have had to deal with.... First and foremost the biggest problem I seem to have as an active gamer is the restricted downloads. Depending on your package you pay for you are only entitled to download 275MB - 425MB a day. You violate this policy and your download threshold is cut back to 1-2KB/sec (basically worthless to even have a connection) for a period of at least 24 hours. If you already have your MMO installed then not a big deal you will not violate this but if your downloading a new game or beta testing your will constantly have an issue with this. They have recently allowed unlimited downloads between 3am and 6am EST but at 120KB/sec (the max download speed I have ever reached with the best package) you can only accomplish so much in that 3 hours. Second issue is there is a delay between when you send the information from your end until it reaches the server. When I purchased satellite DSL I was informed this delay was so minor I would barely notice it. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! At times its 4-5 seconds and in an MMO,as most can know, that means life or death of a character. Get in an area where there are many characters, heavy PVP battles, or large guild raids going on and your delays increase until you will likely crash. Third this company has some of the worst support structure I have ever seen in my life. You have to deal with a CS department that is based in a foreign country (India I believe). It seems that they can never deal with problems at their level and must escalate your problem to the next tier. Most of the time your told this next tier will contact you within the next 72 hours.... I have never yet ever received a phone call back . Since getting Hughes-Net almost a year ago I have probably called CS over a dozen times to deal with issues such as over billing, double billing, slow satellite speeds (below the promised thresholds), No Connectivity, and techs who don't like to show up for their appointments. Lastly the only people that want satellite DSL are people in rural areas. I guess that Hughes-Net thinks rural means that each time they send you a tech out to help fix a problem that means they can take 7 to 10 days to get to your location. These techs are sent out by outsourced agencies and can basically charge you what ever they want once they arrive if they have to do anything outside of just running tests on your system. My neighbor ordered Hughes-Net because he saw we had it (without asking me about it first) when the first techs arrived they tried to tell him he had to mount the dish on a pole and that it would cost him an additional 200 dollars paid to the tech because he was using his own supplies. (ours is mounted to the roof of our house). He knew better and sent them on their way. When Hughes-Net sent him another tech (10 days later of course) he was informed he was correct that he did not have to mount the dish on a pole but the new tech was going to charge him 60 dollars to run the cable under his house. My neighbor called CS and was informed that the installer could basically charge him what ever they wanted and Hughes-Net could do nothing about it......
BTW there are games that even Satellite DSL will not play. I use to be a very active 2142 player and now cannot even connect to any of the servers. If you are a PvP'er forget it and if your a hardcore raider forget it.... I have gone from being a very active guild member making the daily raids to basically a loner because of my connectivity problems. There is not a month that doesn't go by that I do not send an email to the local phone provider asking them to expand the hub....
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10/10/07 11:50:39 AM#14
Originally posted by bezadosome of these are a bit old, but my information was not in-correct. Just because it failed in Tampa does not mean its failing across the country. Did you look into it at all? because ive been watching it for the last couple years... I know for sure sanfrancisco is either already implementing it, or is planning to, the only really big thing holding city wide wi-fi networks back is getting people to pay for it..
this one hit in 2004! http://www.walkersands.com/Grand-Haven-First-Citywide-WiFi.htm im sure i could waste another 15 minutes of my time finding a few more articles that show that it is possible, its being used, and there are many many articles across the web that are showing how it will become more and more likely that it will be used over the next 10 years.. next time do some research of your own before you come across like a jack ass... or do i need to quote source material every time i make a statement now.. |
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bezado
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10/10/07 12:43:12 PM#15
Originally posted by Deatrix Well certainly this is being done, I never denied it never was. You came off a little harsh there when you said for me to read a newspaper. Well my response before yours was that the current wi-fi is still on hot spots, if I had evidence that wi-fi became 100% integrated through every city then I would of not said that about the hot spot issue. Because Wi-Fi is still not in everyplace and even where it is in some cities it has major issues with interference and other problems with cost. So it is not mainstream yet so I stand by my statement that Wi-Fi still requires hotspots and has a short range. You can say all you want about how wi-fi can be in a city all over the place, you still need hot spots to operate properly, that fact goes unchanged. Read cnet reviews or other reviews on the 2 cities this is in, they say you still need good hotspots to get good strong signal strengths and they have been working on mapping the stronger areas with less interference.
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10/10/07 1:08:08 PM#16
BIG LOLS AT THE YANKS
LMFAO 56k!!! What sort of a backward country do you live in!? ...I feel sorry for you i really do! I though the uk was bad with the poor speeds of 1mb as minimum & other services offering 2mb, 4mb, 8mb & 20mb ...I mean 56k died back in 2000 FFS!
The likes of sweeds has 25mb min & 100mb for most citys, but the Japs have 1gb as standard all over the country the likes of them make me & my 20mb line feel inferior! but you m8 should seriously consider moving or quit gaming! Can you even open an email on 56k?
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10/11/07 3:09:40 PM#17
56k god how does anyone manage with such a slow connection speed anymore |
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for acting like a fool.
I remeber when i had a 32k connection its like watching a slide show lol