"Aventurine have taken out the "misleading" part by not promising anything."

You MUST be joking.   Not promising anything???  Have you even bothered to read what darkfall has been touting for the last 7 years?

The only thing missing from Darkfalls promised features list is daily blow jobs from hot virgins while you play.

and this proves that i really fele sorry for you man do i need to call the people in white coats for you ?

Originally posted by KhaelSan

I am very torn, I do hope Darkfall will release one day. But boy, they have missed three "internal beta dates" so far. Their estimates suck, and their communication with the community is some of the worst I've seen.

On the other hand, you can't really compare any other mmorpg, other than perhaps Ultima Online, to what the dev team is trying to accomplish here, so we have to give them some credit for that. Warhammer, pfft, it's a competitor to WOW, not Darkfall. Age of Conan is one of the most restricted environments in any mmorpg, with tons of instances, so I dont see that being much different.

Aventurine are really trying to evolve the genre, and specifically make a mmorpg targetted for the pvp crowd. God knows there are enough mmorpgs for the pve/grind whores.

Is it the quality of the communication or volume that you think is bad ? It's a valid comment and something that I belive Tasos has admittet to. But they don't have a dedicated PR person because that would mean one less developer for their game, perhaps even two salary wise. They have chosen to use those resources to make a better game than better buzz.

If you are worried about noone will play DF because they are bad at PR, I think you are wrong. If DF hase the promised features and a few hundred players can vouch for it, you will see the miracle of viral marketing. If this game comes out and it is good, within 2 days I can promise you that 10 of my friends will play it as well.

Originally posted by gl0bunny

"Aventurine have taken out the "misleading" part by not promising anything."

You MUST be joking.   Not promising anything???  Have you even bothered to read what darkfall has been touting for the last 7 years?

The only thing missing from Darkfalls promised features list is daily blow jobs from hot virgins while you play.

Umm...I was writing about beta and release dates, not features. If Aventurine can deliver those or not is neither you nor I qualified to judge as neither of us have played the game.

all it takes is word of mouth it doesnt really need pr : )

Originally posted by KhaelSan

I am very torn, I do hope Darkfall will release one day. But boy, they have missed three "internal beta dates" so far. Their estimates suck, and their communication with the community is some of the worst I've seen.

On the other hand, you can't really compare any other mmorpg, other than perhaps Ultima Online, to what the dev team is trying to accomplish here, so we have to give them some credit for that. Warhammer, pfft, it's a competitor to WOW, not Darkfall. Age of Conan is one of the most restricted environments in any mmorpg, with tons of instances, so I dont see that being much different.

Aventurine are really trying to evolve the genre, and specifically make a mmorpg targetted for the pvp crowd. God knows there are enough mmorpgs for the pve/grind whores.

Originally posted by gl0bunny

"Aventurine have taken out the "misleading" part by not promising anything."

You MUST be joking.   Not promising anything???  Have you even bothered to read what darkfall has been touting for the last 7 years?

The only thing missing from Darkfalls promised features list is daily blow jobs from hot virgins while you play.

I think he meant about releasing beta.

Originally posted by Questionable

 

Originally posted by KhaelSan

I am very torn, I do hope Darkfall will release one day. But boy, they have missed three "internal beta dates" so far. Their estimates suck, and their communication with the community is some of the worst I've seen.

On the other hand, you can't really compare any other mmorpg, other than perhaps Ultima Online, to what the dev team is trying to accomplish here, so we have to give them some credit for that. Warhammer, pfft, it's a competitor to WOW, not Darkfall. Age of Conan is one of the most restricted environments in any mmorpg, with tons of instances, so I dont see that being much different.

Aventurine are really trying to evolve the genre, and specifically make a mmorpg targetted for the pvp crowd. God knows there are enough mmorpgs for the pve/grind whores.

No they only missed one. The other two were public announcements unlike this one.

 

 

Come on now Questionable, you know very well that Aventurine put up closed BETA signups for Clans in 2002 and it was listed on their website as well as documented in their news letter sent out to everyone that was a Forum member. They then shut it down within 6 months and publicized they were not ready for BETA. They did another BETA attempt in September 2005 and that was shutdown when the game was not ready for a Q4 2005 release. This summer was the 3rd attempt at a BETA and guess what, they said while the game is ready for BETA, they will not start it till they aquire a publisher. That statement was made on September 13th of this year.

I have no hatred of the game or it's concepts. It truely would be a masterpiece, but my problem isn't with the game in itself, but rather the company behind it. I only give a company so many chances, unless they choose to release significant information about the state of the game to the public. I've even said the game could eventually evolve and become viable, but at this point, Aventurine has taken delayed release and cancelled BETA's to the limit, especially with their lack of updates. As for the external game assessment by Brannoc or whoever, I never read anything about it. Do me a favor though as my internet time is limited by library restrictions and post me a link to it. I'll be glad to look it over and change my view of the game, but as of right now, I seriously don't like the view of Darkfall outside the box.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

 

Originally posted by Questionable

 

Originally posted by KhaelSan

I am very torn, I do hope Darkfall will release one day. But boy, they have missed three "internal beta dates" so far. Their estimates suck, and their communication with the community is some of the worst I've seen.

On the other hand, you can't really compare any other mmorpg, other than perhaps Ultima Online, to what the dev team is trying to accomplish here, so we have to give them some credit for that. Warhammer, pfft, it's a competitor to WOW, not Darkfall. Age of Conan is one of the most restricted environments in any mmorpg, with tons of instances, so I dont see that being much different.

Aventurine are really trying to evolve the genre, and specifically make a mmorpg targetted for the pvp crowd. God knows there are enough mmorpgs for the pve/grind whores.

No they only missed one. The other two were public announcements unlike this one.

 

 

 

Come on now Questionable, you know very well that Aventurine put up closed BETA signups for Clans in 2002 and it was listed on their website as well as documented in their news letter sent out to everyone that was a Forum member. They then shut it down within 6 months and publicized they were not ready for BETA. They did another BETA attempt in September 2005 and that was shutdown when the game was not ready for a Q4 2005 release. This summer was the 3rd attempt at a BETA and guess what, they said while the game is ready for BETA, they will not start it till they aquire a publisher. That statement was made on September 13th of this year.

I have no hatred of the game or it's concepts. It truely would be a masterpiece, but my problem isn't with the game in itself, but rather the company behind it. I only give a company so many chances, unless they choose to release significant information about the state of the game to the public. I've even said the game could eventually evolve and become viable, but at this point, Aventurine has taken delayed release and cancelled BETA's to the limit, especially with their lack of updates. As for the external game assessment by Brannoc or whoever, I never read anything about it. Do me a favor though as my internet time is limited by library restrictions and post me a link to it. I'll be glad to look it over and change my view of the game, but as of right now, I seriously don't like the view of Darkfall outside the box.

It would be interesting to hear what chances you think AoC has, as they have pushed their releasedates back four times since 2006. How many chances do they deserve ?

then when they merged they redid graphics and engine XD or upgraded

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

 

Originally posted by Questionable

 

Originally posted by KhaelSan

I am very torn, I do hope Darkfall will release one day. But boy, they have missed three "internal beta dates" so far. Their estimates suck, and their communication with the community is some of the worst I've seen.

On the other hand, you can't really compare any other mmorpg, other than perhaps Ultima Online, to what the dev team is trying to accomplish here, so we have to give them some credit for that. Warhammer, pfft, it's a competitor to WOW, not Darkfall. Age of Conan is one of the most restricted environments in any mmorpg, with tons of instances, so I dont see that being much different.

Aventurine are really trying to evolve the genre, and specifically make a mmorpg targetted for the pvp crowd. God knows there are enough mmorpgs for the pve/grind whores.

No they only missed one. The other two were public announcements unlike this one.

 

 

 

Come on now Questionable, you know very well that Aventurine put up closed BETA signups for Clans in 2002 and it was listed on their website as well as documented in their news letter sent out to everyone that was a Forum member. They then shut it down within 6 months and publicized they were not ready for BETA. They did another BETA attempt in September 2005 and that was shutdown when the game was not ready for a Q4 2005 release. This summer was the 3rd attempt at a BETA and guess what, they said while the game is ready for BETA, they will not start it till they aquire a publisher. That statement was made on September 13th of this year.

I have no hatred of the game or it's concepts. It truely would be a masterpiece, but my problem isn't with the game in itself, but rather the company behind it. I only give a company so many chances, unless they choose to release significant information about the state of the game to the public. I've even said the game could eventually evolve and become viable, but at this point, Aventurine has taken delayed release and cancelled BETA's to the limit, especially with their lack of updates. As for the external game assessment by Brannoc or whoever, I never read anything about it. Do me a favor though as my internet time is limited by library restrictions and post me a link to it. I'll be glad to look it over and change my view of the game, but as of right now, I seriously don't like the view of Darkfall outside the box.

First lets bring up the third "beta attempt". Read dev journal 9 and stop spreading your ignorance around on this board.

So with that out of the way lets count how many attempts missed...1,2. 2 attempts.

You know just because i have this feeling some idiot is going to try and take it out of context ill post it right here

"We've specified that our internal target date is this summer and we can't get more specific yet, but we will when we're ready to make an announcement."-Dev Journal 9

Well, I can see it clear as day as to what was said, but is that Aventurine's way of saying an internal BETA means a non public BETA? I guess I've never understood what an internal target date means. Sorry for seeming ignorant, but it just sounds like a lot of smoke blowing to me. I'm not trying to get your undies in a bundle either, since I've agreed the game concept is superb. However, I don't care how much any company claims to be stupified when it comes to marketing, Aventurine doesn't have a clue and believe it or not, marketing may seem like a waste of money to you or them, but in the end or even better yet now, it's giving their product a bad rep.

Besides, if they are so short staffed or financially troubled to afford 1 marketing person, that doesn't bode well either. Any way you slice it, Aventurine isn't learning anything from their mistakes, so all anyone can do is sit back and wait till the game is released. I personally don't have any hope of seeing this game coming to life, atleast not with everything they've promised to put into it. That doesn't mean you can't have hope, but I don't put faith in anything that isn't concrete, especially in this industry.

err most of what they promised is in  if not all they have had plenty of time to get it in  its just will it be done right and will it be good is the ?

we will see when this beta starts up i understand how you feel everyone is spoiled by the other companies, think out side the box just this once

they dont really seem like they have lied at all excpt for that 1 beta thing that happen in 2005 thats y they havent given us a date yet cause they dont want that to happen again

internal means like its being tested by friends devs, and family under a heavy NDA and military compainies are normaly very tite lipped anyways so, also internal target is jsut a target date no promises

AV may be putting the devs under a nda 2 who knows they are paying the devs so just look out side the box and put 2 and 2 together XD

also the new date isnt a internal 1 its a officail date they have in mind : ) now what is that date XD

probly

"err most of what they promised is in  if not all"

Gotta love it when people talk straight out of their asses.

unless they have lied which you cant prove  so are you talking out your ass ? if your not then i guess im not either

until beta comes we wont know what they have all in but in dev journal 13 it said it is almost feature complete

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Well, I can see it clear as day as to what was said, but is that Aventurine's way of saying an internal BETA means a non public BETA? I guess I've never understood what an internal target date means. Sorry for seeming ignorant, but it just sounds like a lot of smoke blowing to me. I'm not trying to get your undies in a bundle either, since I've agreed the game concept is superb. However, I don't care how much any company claims to be stupified when it comes to marketing, Aventurine doesn't have a clue and believe it or not, marketing may seem like a waste of money to you or them, but in the end or even better yet now, it's giving their product a bad rep.

Besides, if they are so short staffed or financially troubled to afford 1 marketing person, that doesn't bode well either. Any way you slice it, Aventurine isn't learning anything from their mistakes, so all anyone can do is sit back and wait till the game is released. I personally don't have any hope of seeing this game coming to life, atleast not with everything they've promised to put into it. That doesn't mean you can't have hope, but I don't put faith in anything that isn't concrete, especially in this industry.

You are not alone with believing that their market strategies is not good. But still, without a PR guy, they are still getting the buzz ? Why because they are making something their customers want. If they don't, they will be called for it by the the first non NDA beta there is. Probably earlier. To me that means I will try this game before I buy it. So why use 4 years to con me to buy a product I can test out ?

Ok...there are two reasons to this whole Darkfall issue.

1. The reason why its taking so long is that Adventurine re-made everything. Including graphics, so they won't be outdated.

2. They started the hype about Darkfall way too early, making people more anxious for it.

Actually, sorry for being off topic, it should be:

"O Darkfall, Darkfall!  wherefore art thou Darkfall?"

Which does not mean "Where is Darkfall?", but rather "Why are you named Darkfall?" 

So my answer to the topic: because it sounds cool.

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The developers supposedly have a specfic date, but they aren't revealing it just yet.  Perhaps it will be in the next dev journal.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Well, back in about June of this year, I got into some pretty heavy debates with Dark Fall fans about yet another upcoming beta in the summer of 2007. I said if this beta failed to surface by 2008, that I would unfold the mystery behind what seemingly is becoming yet another vaporware MMO.

This is the 3rd failed beta attempt by this company, as summer is now over. I also wouldn't set my hopes up for a beta any time before summer of 2008 either, myself. It doesn't really matter much, because even games that take the better part of a decade to make can evolve. The problem is, the longer they take to launch, the more and more dated the graphics become. Granted, the video shown back in Feburary of this year showed sufficient graphics for a game of this era, it's the rate of progress with the game that makes me wonder just how up to date the game will be when it releases.

Call me a hater, I really don't care. I consider myself a realist and see things for what they are. I said if beta didn't occur this summer, that this would be strike 3 for these guys and I'd do my best to get to the bottom of their continuos lying and misdirection of the public.

Taking too long screwed the pooch for shadowbane, Darkfall has been in developement since I became a member of this sight, or longer.

rhok they never actully have annunced a beta date they had internal goals for 1 but they never stated a official date so no strikes have account to them except for the clan beta they was suppose to have but they decided the game wasnt ready for beta and thats all