No matter what this company calls themselves, they're still EI as far as I'm concerned.  You talk about giving Immortals a fair chance and to view it on it's own terms. Ok, let's do that.  Why don't you explain to ALL of us here why Immortals uses an NON-SECURE site for sign up's?  How's that for a fair shake?  EVERY single player of Immortals has conceivably had their personal information compromised.  Just like EI did with Savage Eden and Horizons, they now do with Immortals. 

Not to sound like a Smartass, but "OZMG they hacked da site and now knows my name and birthdate! WHAT AM I GOING TO DOOOOO?"

It's not like the game asked for thier DL# and a copy of thier most recent pay stub...I won't comment much about the other part b/c I know very little, All I hear though is the Mr. Andercheck just fills out the paychecks.

Try Immortals, you just might like it... did I mention it's free? So theres no way someones gunna scam you outta money if you don't give them your information.

As for EI = NGW, explain please? How can one person make two different businesses be the same thing. That would be like me quitting the party store I work at and going to a new job and everyone calling where I work the same place.

You have yet to prove to me that there is more than one person working there from EI.

Originally posted by Azure77

  You already begun making horrible business decision in close / open beta. I m sorry the Last Chaos crap , and being told by a  staff to  deal with it.. no that breeds abuse. I m more than willing to give ya a fair shake , I liked 3 of the GMs , help report and kill botters. But you got some really creepy "friends", after the wipe he was mod on the forums and in game he abusive to people.

     Poorly trained people handling customers or just gamers isnt fun. And being belittle or "told off" by someone who is suppose to help you dont fly with me.

 

          I honestly dont care about business partners and stuff, MMORPG mirco payment community are all seedy and shady people , for the most part. I ve never had any problem with Savage Eden , I thought you were doing good with Immortals, until this guy showed up.

 

       I wish ya the best of luck, I dont want see your game fail nor do i want to start rumors , you should be given a fair shake.

What problems are you having with the Immortals staff though?

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I also had horrible experiences with EI and Ed Andercheck.

These people are totally crooks. I had a great time with Horizons until Tulga sold to EI. It was all downhill from there. It was an absolute nightmare getting them to stop billing me for Horizons.

STAY AWAY!

Curious, what does ATITD have to do with NGW and Ed Andercheck. Since I keep seeing a "ATITD Representative" commenting/replying, and ATITD has had it's own share of customer complaints involving corrupt/unfair GMs and preference being shown to players who are friends of the GMs, thought I'd ask.

I think that a lot of people are being irresponsible with their comments and have no way of knowing what they are talking about.

Kinda like blowing up a city to kill one man...

You should ask questions before jumping to conclusions and then shouting about it publically... maybe you're right, but maybe you're full of crap and damaging peoples reputations because of it.

Why does it have to be that the bad guy is corrupting the good, instead of the good guy cleansing the bad?

Originally posted by LouiseK

You should ask questions before jumping to conclusions and then shouting about it publically... maybe you're right, but maybe you're full of crap and damaging peoples reputations because of it.

With Ed Anderchecks' history concerning his involvement of any kind with mmos, anyone who still does business with him in any fashion in regards to their own game development ruins their own reputation faster than any of us could ever accomplish.

Originally posted by LouiseK

I think that a lot of people are being irresponsible with their comments and have no way of knowing what they are talking about.

Kinda like blowing up a city to kill one man...

You should ask questions before jumping to conclusions and then shouting about it publically... maybe you're right, but maybe you're full of crap and damaging peoples reputations because of it.

Why does it have to be that the bad guy is corrupting the good, instead of the good guy cleansing the bad?

Thats what I'm trying to say, Why drag down a good companys named just b/c one person?

And Zorven, to asnwer your question from before. Z[MMOSmart] is the publisher of Immortals. That would be why he was posting.

[EDIT] Let me make this clear, I am not supporting Andercheck... I would hate the man had he done the same thigns to me. But I guess i'm just saying "Hate the Player, not the Game". NGW has not done anything to you, don't slander thier name.

Z[MMOsmart]  the game is fine, I enjoyed it. End the of closed/open beta you had this guy , I reported him to Tim and uh Meow or something. This guy , trying to remember his name. Anyhow I was Moonknight on the boards.

   I dont see any problem other than single guy , my memory isnt so good , but he was always doom and gloom about closed/open beta and how he was gonna get powers from Steve.

       Tim made the guy really great and his wife helped out alot of new players. Personally I dont think people should get upset or not try something because someone is linked to a bad guy.

      Look at Codemasters they were in a bed with a CEO who wrote almost all thier reviews for RF Online and Archlord then screwed over both communities with bad decision.

         I d said give the game a chance. Its got the best healer class i ve played in f2p game.  *I like poisoning people*

best healer class... theyr healers are a joke,

so they can fight and use a sword.. but its actually a disadvantage compared to other games,

cuz now they cant heal good nor can they fight good (slightly better than other games in mellee, but still cant solo)

this game is not only bad in its history,  its also not worth trying or even signing up, cuz i know its very insecure and they have so many hacker attacks its not funny..

for few days in a row two ordinary hackers completely shut down the chat system, party system and pm system so you couldnt interact with anyone at all, i had to uninstall the game and delete every trace of it from my computer

Originally posted by JMichael

And Zorven, to asnwer your question from before. Z[MMOSmart] is the publisher of Immortals. That would be why he was posting.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Originally posted by imrodus

best healer class... theyr healers are a joke,

so they can fight and use a sword.. but its actually a disadvantage compared to other games,

cuz now they cant heal good nor can they fight good (slightly better than other games in mellee, but still cant solo)

this game is not only bad in its history,  its also not worth trying or even signing up, cuz i know its very insecure and they have so many hacker attacks its not funny..

for few days in a row two ordinary hackers completely shut down the chat system, party system and pm system so you couldnt interact with anyone at all, i had to uninstall the game and delete every trace of it from my computer

Dragon Healers are amazing, they can get out of any situation you throw at them. They are specialized in poisons and slowing opponents down, not killing them. It's a pure assist class, that can still deal damage with a sword if needed. Thier heals are great, and thier rez is the ONLY in the game atm. There is no other way.

You were saying? 

The "Hackers" found a way into the GM console, and spammed the game with System Bulletins. So many in fact the Chat Server crashed and was down for maybe 3 hours till a GM was contacted and was able to reset it. Hole was fixed, hasn't happened since. We chuckle about that and the Dupe bug (also fixed) from time to time.

That's the point of a Beta! 

imrodus  human healer is the poison person. Forget which build i was , but I could tank , heal and dd. The poison completely owned , I was fighting these spider ladies at like 18 or 20 gettng massive drops for friends and newbies. The best way to talk about human healer was a paladin with evade instead of defense.

     I loved the character, its only support ive played i could solo and duo effectively. Oh you build your healer based on the items and stuff you found , like my magic treasure (you hatched it from an egg?) gave me 10% healing. I also had rings i think.

   Mermory is shot but it was good game , I might return one day.

The most important and interesting part about this discussion between developers and/or related persons is, that the people closely related to the development of this game, apparently are incapable of taking a professional distance from accusations.

You do not provide pure facts, with sources, comments, pros and cons, but you try to play the emotional card, putting you in a seriously horrible position. Either stand above accusations, or don't interfere, but do not get pulled in a casual flame-war. It won't help your reputation.

 Really thanks for warning, seems a little frustrated

dunno what this game is but uve inspired me not to find out