In essence, TR's fundamental game design is slightly flawed to be considered a true MMO. I feel that the game plays very much like an Average Sci-Fi Single Player RPG game with the MMO slapped on.

What makes a compelling MMO to me, is that it has to be dynamic, there has to be a reason for me to want to kick butt and spit on my opponents, and have them kick and spit back.

But you can't really get that kind of dynamics when your only opponents are AI controlled, and after a while it just becomes a repetitive grind.

What they could have done was to add a twist to the plot, and feature a splinter human faction that broke away from the mainstream, to form the basis of a Player vs Player dynamic, then throw in the Bane as the main antagonists.

So then we would have 2 opposing Player factions, fighting for control over the planet's resources as well as having to fend off the Bane.

The combat system could also use some tweaking, at the moment it kinda feels like an FPS but without the kick. Everything seems slow and clunky, and repetitive cos all you do is click your mouse buttons.

Perhaps they should have attached different 'spell abilities' to different styles of combat, like various shooting abilities to guns, and various melee abilities to melee combat etc, so you had more interaction with the combat instead of clicking your mouse buttons over and over.

Well thats just my 2c on the current state of TR, it just feels kinda hollow and the dynamics are off. Doesn't make for a very compelling game imo.

Originally posted by Experimemt13

 

Originally posted by gestalt11

 

Originally posted by Jayded1138

  

See  I can tell this guys has actually played. 

Like I said this game needs another 2 months of balancing.  Otherwise you will get a lot more people saying what this guy says.  And while the problem is misidentified there is still a problem in the end they will essentially be right.  Heck the game may never be balanced well and the devs might make a mess of it I dunno.

But there is clearly a large amount of hyperbole being thrown around.

 

 

You can tell he has played?  Hmmmm.... Maybe a while back.

Hyperbole? Oh yeah, scads of it.. Lots of innacuracies too.

With my own eyes I already know the game is better IN BETA than Vanguard, LOTRO, SWG, MXO, and ALL the F2P games. (Ok, so I'm not saying much with Vanguard or SWG... I know it well.)

Does TR have "issues"? Oooooohhh yeah, sure does. Crafting isn't ironed out yet... Remains to be seen just how well the latest patch worked out. I liked it greatly. AI seemed to get a boost and the MOBs are tougher now... Definitely going in the right direction.

Will TR be perfect right out the gate? Nah, it will need adjustments... just like EVERY OTHER RELEASE.

Worth buying and paying $15 a month for? *grins* I know I will be. It's the first game to put an involuntary grin on my face in years now.

I have a theory that some of the people hating so hard on the game may actually like it more than they let on, but just want to see it go F2P. That way they don't have to listen to momy and daddy complain about the cost.

In the end? It should shape up to be a really good game.

  Awhile back?  No I still pop in from time to time to check out the patches... played quit a bit since this new patch even though the servers are FUBAR'd.  Why?  Because like I said before I want to like this game... its got something here but its not fleshed out nor will it be IMO.  The class defining skills even if they are fixed or changed wont matter in the end simply because it ALL can be solo'd as it stands even with this so called "Ramping Up Of Difficulty".  The Increase in difficulty was nothing more then an adjustment of values not in AI.  Why used Called Shot 5 + Rage 5 on a group of 3-4 Bane when I can run in drop an Airstrike (level 15 skill) and rush in Going LOL-shotgun! (level 5 skill).  

  Go to Mires, Go to Marshes, Go to Pools, its the same damn shit in a diffrent enviroment over and over again.  The one thing I hate about MMO's is the recycling of skins and models and in my 10 years of playing MMO's this is by far the worst I have ever seen.  You would think a squad with a Bane Captain, a Bain SGT and 6 Bane Grunts would act diffrently then the POS Bane that you murdered in Wilderness.  The Captain in the background calling in strikes, or tacking cover behind a rock lobbing grenades with the SGT leading the rush as the grunts fan out and take cover behind trees, slops and rocks.... but no shoot one with a pistol just to agro them and they pretty much spread out a bit then stand there shooting you like the Nub Bane you killed in Wilderness.  There just isnt any diversity at all.  Sure the hunter's have a root and the linkers have their reflect... but thats it. 

  So in esscence all the Tier 4 skills are just that fluff... there is no need for them atm.  So your level 38 and want to go into Purgas Station where the highest mob is 45?  Go for it... at level 38 get the quest in Foreas Base in DIvide and head on in.   5 pumps in Firearms and 5 pumps in Your level 15 armor is all your going to need.  LOL-shotgun, find cover, LOL-shotgun, find cover, LOL-shotgun... oh noe might die, fall back around corners until mobs go back to position and this time do it right :P 

  As i said before once you get done basically with Divide you have seen all that TR has to offer you in terms of  AI and from what I have seen damn near all the models.  Valverde IMO was a letdown graphically.  It had some nice enviroments but its filled for the most part with 1000's of the same bane you have seen before with some new "Fauna" mobs.  I was really looking forward to this new patch so they could unlock this second Cont of Foreas.  I have a craptastic amount of unfinsihed quests I could be doing but after running around the diffrent Valverde zones and going in the instances I just cant bring myself to do em... much less level another character.  This is comming froma  guy who had multiple endgame toons on every MMO I have played (no need to list them you could probably do that yourself).  Once the newness factor goes away (post 30) and you start to see what the game is and what kind of depth it has to it... well thats up to you.  If you want an MMO that is not a challenge to the seasoned MMO vet this is your game.  If your looking for everything that makes the MMO genre great, group instances, crafting, role-playing, meaningful class diversity, raids be it 12-40 man (whatever you prefer), PvP, or simply being a social butterfly... look elsewhere. 

As far as your Mommy and Daddy comment... grow up.  The game is simplistically shallow compared to even Guildwars.  Some of us are pissed yet again that some "Vet" MMO desinger decided to come back and make a game full of promises and features then basically drop their pants and unleash the proverbial steaming pile of poo and expect us to roll over and pay for it simply because he made UO.  Even as it stands now I dont think I would care if its F2P or not (I could afford it simply either way; some of us gamers are pushing 30+ and have our own income.).  They have one more patch before live to convince me otherwise...  but then again Miracle Patches are a fantasy no matter how much you want to like a game.

I think this game will do about as well as Auto Assault.  Maybe if its lucky, it'll do about as well as Dungeons and Dragons Online.

Originally posted by SagetheRage

I think this game will do about as well as Auto Assault.  Maybe if its lucky, it'll do about as well as Dungeons and Dragons Online.

I agree, I like the concept of this game but I don't see it being a major hit.

Originally posted by ereb0s

Simply put, this is a great looking game but its not for hardcore gamers imo. On the otherhand this is the perfect game for the casual player that only gets to play a couple hours a week they can go in blow things up make some progress and never have to waste time grouping with ppl if they dont want to.

Flop? well its not the next big thing no

bad game? i wouldnt say that either

its a casual players shoot em up game simply put.

and yes ive played past level 30.

Or it was before last patch, now u cant do anything important w/o big group, i think theyre confused as to who there auddiance is. it will probably fail do to shipping to early and at the same time as hellgate london.

Everyone has different tastes. There are parts of TR that some people will like, while others wont like. While the opinions of the posters in this thread are valid, in the end they will have very little impact. Only time will tell whether this game will flop or not...

Personally, i'm so sick of the saturation of fantasy games in the MMO market that any game which isn't fantasy is already a good game.

From reading all the comments on this game, I'm really sad to hear how many peoples experience turned out. Since this game comes out in 3 weeks+, I hope they can improve the game significantly before release. I'm more of a sci-fi fan than a fantasy fan, when it comes to MMO's, and was hoping for the next great sci-fi game, like AO but better. Guess that's not going to happen, back to AO then!!

FLOP.  for obvious reasons.

It's a Flop.

I commend NCSoft for trying something new and the TR dev team for trying to bring us a new Sci-Fi shooting mmo. We certainly need something more than than just another  fantasy mmo *yawn*.

However the big problem with TR, which seems to me was pretty much the problem with AutoAssault, is that there's really nothing to it. Sure it's fun to start up, create your character and run around shooting stuff, but that's all there really is. The first five levels are pretty much how the entire game goes. You run, collect Logos, shoot things, head back to base. There's no real depth to the game, no real story that draws you in. The NPCs don't feel like they're alive/intelligent.

There's just no substance.

I've tried and tried to play it... but I just can't stand it.  I don't like this game.  It's a Flop for me personally.

courtdog, i play AO as well on and off for 3 years. Tabula Rasa to me so far was a nice change of pace. But has nowhere near the depth that AO has. I've only made it to lvl 17 sapper So ive only experienced a few instances and zones wilderness and divide. And had alot of fun - the server crashes. Which is expected in betas. I like the game but i always end up back in Ao. Rubi-Ka 4 life :)

triple flop

i actually enjoy playing. I would like to say this though for most of these people.

THIS IS NOT FOR THE MMORPG people who like the RPG part the most. and i think most people will agree with me on this. I myself like FPS's and MMO's and dont care to much about the RPG(i like it , just not to the degree on here do).

Its like if you Took planetside and spliced it with WoW you get this game. I enjoy mowing threw mobs, because i am shooting and there is some skill to it. I do like having the feeling of having a impact no matter how minor(fighting off bases is enjoyable and assaulting ones they have taken is to)

But if your looking for the next mmoRPG then this is not your game, if anything this game is more a MMOTPSRPG. Its a shooter with rpg elements in a massive world.

And yes i want planetside 2 , this game is prob what il play if hellgate fails(it shouldnt, but ya never no)

Originally posted by gillvane1

 

Originally posted by maveric007

Not a great game. Go play it and see for yourself. They need to get a planetside 2 out the door.

 

Honestly, I'm not going to bother to see for myself. I've played a bunch of MMORPGs, last was beta for Vanguard, and if it's not something great I'm not going to take the trouble to download it and install it.

It seems obvious from the comments here that the game is lackluster at best, and like most of the posters here I'm an MMORPG vet, so it's gonna take something much better than average to peak my interest. I was just hoping that since it was releasing soon, it might be something fun.

But, looks like back to waiting on WAR.

 

MMORPG Maker

 

Yes because it's always better to take the word of the peanut gallery rather than go download the free open beta from fileplanet (you don't even have to be a subscriber) and check it out for free yourself and form your own opinion.

Gamers are like lemmings:  If one jumped off a cliff and died over half of the others would to if he gave it a good review on the way down.

Personally I'm giving the open beta a try, I didn't manage to get in on early beta so, fortunately, I don't have any baggage from then.  So far I like what I've seen but it's far too soon for me to make any concrete decisions on this game.   I will say t his... so far I like it better than any other recently released MMORPG. (I know, not saying a hell of a lot). 

When I'm forced to install .NET 2 and then the game still won't work and it freezes, then right there I'm turned off right away.  My computer's more then enough to run it too.

AMD X2 4200+
7900GT 256MB
2GB RAM DDR400
Audigy 2 ZS

And it ran pretty nice when it ran, but the game just seemed like AutoAssault.

Once they get the kinks worked out, it will have it's place on the market. I'd say something in between.

They need to remove all that solo content. mmorpg is about playing together  

Think it's still hav a chance. BUt they need to make more team work options in the game.

its true that it feels to mucj like a solo game. and that can be the end of the it , if they don't change that par of the game 

Originally posted by maveric007

Not a great game. Go play it and see for yourself. They need to get a planetside 2 out the door.

There's a Planetside 2 in the the unknown future??? If so, I am instantly a very happy man. Eq2 is totally experiencing its second wind (which is beyond awesome) and Vanguard despite the server merge still has all the potential in the universe [someday] but Planetside is campy, fun and mind-numbing. Ps2 would be an awesome remedy to the apparent shortcomings of Tabula Rasa (of which there are, sadly, far too many to succeed I fear).

Flop.  No doubt about it.

Not an immediate flop -- there are plenty of people who are ignorant and/or curious enough to buy the box.

Probably an eventual flop -- Several bad design decisions and not enough content to keep people happy for more than a month.