Originally posted by Vortigon

Sony Online Entertainment
• Billing
• Launcher
• Retail Distribution
• Localization
• Marketing

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SO What?......what's the big deal?.... having money ploughed into the above list is only GOOD for this game there is NO negative impact only positive.

People need to move on from the SWG incident its shows a complete lack of logical thinking.

And with Vanguard SOE did nothing but help that game out, to the point that it wouldn't of even been released if it wasn't for SOE.  They didn't make Vanguard a flop anyone that thinks they did has no clue what happened. I played Vanguard from closed Beta and I can say that soon as SOE got on board things changed for the better almost immediately.

All you lot that say you won't play this game due to SOE 'Marketing' POTBS really have no understanding of the industry and what this really means.

The only thing you effect by not playing this game is your own enjoyment, your numbers are insignificant and won't change anything, your a dying breed and I feel sorry for your inability to move on while the rest of us have fun.

 

Well put, but it is a real source of amusement. What is very accurate is that these forums go no where near even impacting on reality anyone thinking they do are delusional. Nicely put very nicely.

I come to these forums generally to cheer myself up after a hard day for 10 minutes and its works, it makes me realise that things aren't all that bad at all.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Originally posted by letum6030

Way too many posts on this thread to read and catch up.  I did see some of Rick's posts and got a laugh.  All I can say is that the game should be viewed on its merrit alone.  People need to let go of the whole SWG thing.  I did quite some time ago.  Being mad at SOE for the SWG thing is like not seeing another M. Night Shyamalan movie because there wasn't a twist ending to The Village.  Giving people, and companies, only one chance is not good.  Everyone deserves a second chance.

Uhhh... there was a twist, a big one. It turned out they were living a secluded colonial lifestyle in a modern world.

I didn't think that the ending of The Village was a twist at all.  I saw it coming all along.  Shyamalan gives a lot of hints in the movie so that the ending was expected (at least I expected it). 

I'd be concerned if they were involved in the game design. But they aren't... so I'm not 

Well I decided to do a little reading on forums about this game. I was shocked when I came across this Thread. SOE is not a good thing. SOE has a bad rep with the gaming community. I was so disappointed to learn this. I guess I'll wait till after a year to see what happens with the game. In my opnion, SOE will have full control of the game by then. This is disappointing :(

Does it matter which power company supplies the power to your computer?  Electricity is electricity.

Same with SOE, does it matter who the publisher is? 

I liked Planetside.  I hated what they did to SWG.  I payed subscription to one, and cancelled subscription to the later.  And I don't throw money away with a station pass (idiots).  hah! 

Although later, I cancelled Planetside because there were Orbital Strikes going off every 30 seconds, and that was totally lame.  The devs should have had the foresight to recognize that after several years, half the playerbase would have the OS (Jedi equivalent).  Players will grind towards the alpha class cause players are spoiled little brats.

But I showed them and now they are down $12.95 because they didn't bow to my wishes to remove the Orbital Strike.  Now theres a recession, and Alan Greenspan is talking about how Republicans deserve to lose!  I showed them all haha!  Its all happening because of me!  They should have listened to me, but no they stubbornly insisted to keep the orbital strike.  Even now the Earth now tilts on its axis because the truth of that statement.

Originally posted by Nerf09

Does it matter which power company supplies the power to your computer?  Electricity is electricity.

Same with SOE, does it matter who the publisher is? 

I liked Planetside.  I hated what they did to SWG.  I payed subscription to one, and cancelled subscription to the later.  And I don't throw money away with a station pass (idiots).  hah! 

Although later, I cancelled Planetside because there were Orbital Strikes going off every 30 seconds, and that was totally lame.  The devs should have had the foresight to recognize that after several years, half the playerbase would have the OS (Jedi equivalent).  Players will grind towards the alpha class cause players are spoiled little brats.

But I showed them and now they are down $12.95 because they didn't bow to my wishes to remove the Orbital Strike.  Now theres a recession, and Alan Greenspan is talking about how Republicans deserve to lose!  I showed them all haha!  Its all happening because of me!  They should have listened to me, but no they stubbornly insisted to keep the orbital strike.  Even now the Earth now tilts on its axis because the truth of that statement.

That made me lol hard.......lol the Earth now tilts on its axis because the truth of that statement lmao

This mmo podcast sums up my opinion of the SOE Hate Cult.

Most people nowadays are just parroting what everyone else says about SOE, with little actual knowledge or personal experience with anything bad that SOE has done. Hating SOE is just 'what you're supposed to do' so people just follow along.

Originally posted by Pietoro

This mmo podcast sums up my opinion of the SOE Hate Cult.

Most people nowadays are just parroting what everyone else says about SOE, with little actual knowledge or personal experience with anything bad that SOE has done. Hating SOE is just 'what you're supposed to do' so people just follow along.

Well that is what happens when you piss of f your customer base.

Originally posted by Pomy

Originally posted by Pietoro

This mmo podcast sums up my opinion of the SOE Hate Cult.

Most people nowadays are just parroting what everyone else says about SOE, with little actual knowledge or personal experience with anything bad that SOE has done. Hating SOE is just 'what you're supposed to do' so people just follow along.

Well that is what happens when you piss of f your customer base.

What, that the fanbase starts donning tinfoil hats whenever the company gets mentioned, even if current history shows no basis for it? EQ2 keeps improving all the time. Vanguard was a tranwreck before MS even dumped it, and SOE saved it from being trashed forever.

PotBS is using SOE just to manage their billing and marketing, and people are screaming for boycotts of FlyingLabs just for associating with them. I mean, that's a frothing-at-the-mouth level of overreating.

People are irrational about SOE, regardless of what the company did in the past. People draw negative connections were there isn't any -- they're making stuff up when current reality doesn't support their hate (like who's to blame with Vanguard). Most people have never even personally experienced anything bad from SOE -- they're just following the herd because they figure that hating SOE is just what all respectable MMOers are supposed to do.

Originally posted by Pietoro

 

Originally posted by Pomy

Originally posted by Pietoro

This mmo podcast sums up my opinion of the SOE Hate Cult.

Most people nowadays are just parroting what everyone else says about SOE, with little actual knowledge or personal experience with anything bad that SOE has done. Hating SOE is just 'what you're supposed to do' so people just follow along.

Well that is what happens when you piss of f your customer base.

 

What, that the fanbase starts donning tinfoil hats whenever the company gets mentioned, even if current history shows no basis for it? EQ2 keeps improving all the time. Vanguard was a tranwreck before MS even dumped it, and SOE saved it from being trashed forever.

PotBS is using SOE just to manage their billing and marketing, and SOME people are screaming for boycotts of FlyingLabs just for associating with them. I mean, that's a frothing-at-the-mouth level of overreating.

SOME People are irrational about SOE, regardless of what the company did in the past. SOME People draw negative connections were there isn't any -- they're making stuff up when current reality doesn't support their hate (like who's to blame with Vanguard). SOME people have never even personally experienced anything bad from SOE -- they're just following the herd because they figure that hating SOE is just what all respectable MMOers are supposed to do.

 

Fixed that up for you.  Neither the SOE supporters/defenders or the SOE haters/boycotters should be generalized (lumped into one group).  It belittles everyone, and turns the discussion into childish name calling.

 wow its to bad i held some interest in this game until i heard of SOE involment. And it really doesnt matter how small a part SOE actually plays. It will still put money in there pockets so think il pass on POBTS. Good luck with it  your gonna need it.

FFS, I was looking forward to this game to.  Now that Sony is involved it's pretty much dead already, both in game and community :/

I saw a lot of old SWG players waiting for this game, theres NO WAY in hell they are going to stick around for SOE to screw them over yet again.

SOE have messed up just about every MMO they have touched.  EQ2 was nowhere near as successful as the origional, and it still has serious problems.  Vanguard never took off at all.  I don't even have to talk about SWG.

SOE are only interested in milking money from MMOs for a while then move onto the next.  They do not care about the game or it's players at all.

Originally posted by Pomy

Originally posted by Pietoro

This mmo podcast sums up my opinion of the SOE Hate Cult.

Most people nowadays are just parroting what everyone else says about SOE, with little actual knowledge or personal experience with anything bad that SOE has done. Hating SOE is just 'what you're supposed to do' so people just follow along.

Well that is what happens when you piss of f your customer base.

Agreed, having played quite a few SOE-touched games I just hope they don't muck up this game.

I quite like PotBS so far and am looking forward to purchasing it.  Though I'll make sure I'll get a final demo just in case. Vanguard would have to be the most amateur game ever.

WOW! I bet SOE regret ever touching SWG lol so many ex Jedi's frothing at the mouth running around wanting to take some SOE employe and shove their imaginary light sabers where the sun dont shine! lol

Tbh this is a stupid thread 'cus SOE haters are never going to listen to reason and just keep hating till they die

SOE defenders are just wasting breath on the haters and may as well just ignore em.

As for me, I'm going to pay my subscription to SOE, play the game, and enjoy it because after all it is just a game and nothing more :)

It really doesnt matter if SOE buys out POTBS or not. SOE will still be capitalizing on the game so many folks who have been burned by SOE will stay far far away.

MadmanUSA said: If you have not noticed English is the most spoken language in the world.

I'm pretty sure the billion or so people in China will take issue with that statement.

The billion or so people in China are only about 1/3 the worlds population, and a lot of them speak English as well.

Originally posted by Slampig

The billion or so people in China are only about 1/3 the worlds population, and a lot of them speak English as well.

So that would mean there are only 3 billion people in the world...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

Good math, buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm

Admittedly, English is spoken in the greatest number of countries, but this could be attributable to the fact that it's the primary language for international business and aviation.

Took about 10-15 minutes to google it.

Originally posted by darkstar2k

 So that would mean there are only 3 billion people in the world...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

Good math, buddy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm

Admittedly, English is spoken in the greatest number of countries, but this could be attributable to the fact that it's the primary language for international business and aviation.

Took about 10-15 minutes to google it.

 

 

And it took 10 - 15 seconds to decide that you need to get out more :P

Originally posted by Kravos

 
And it took 10 - 15 seconds to decide that you need to get out more :P

 

lol fair enough.