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Thank you for the advice, friend, I will consider it. |
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9/14/07 9:38:18 AM#62
no cares what some radom carebear thinks. |
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9/14/07 10:03:33 AM#63
Someone fix this thread . I can't endure this . ______________________________________ |
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9/14/07 1:44:21 PM#64
I've been playing wow since release, and just decided to quit playing around a week ago. I've obtained rank 12 at 60 and have played at a 2k+ arena team at 70 ( I'm mentioning this not to say "oh look at me, I own!", I'm saying it to let everyone know that I'm very experienced in wow gameplay.) I plan on playing WAR, the classes seem fresh and interesting and I hope it to be something to fill wow's shoes for me. Anyways, on to what I wanted to get to. Everyone saying wow takes "no skill" and such really don't have much knowledge about the game. People saying that either never reached the highest level or never took the time to fully understand wow pvp, their class, and other classes. I'm not saying that everyone should do such, I completely understand not wanting to take the time to learn something that you don't find interesting. From what I've gathered, most of the people bashing wow seem to have experienced wow gameplay at lower levels, which I, and what I've heard from many others, is inferior gameplay compared to other MMOs. There exists way too many class imbalances at lower levels, due to low quality gear and a lack of endgame spells and abilities. At lower level, it also almost takes no skill at all to succeed, it's mainly all based around what class you are, and what gear you are in. Fast paced gameplay by no means equals easymode gameplay. Mages speccing Arcane/Fire throwing out an instant pyroblast seems to be the common "WOW MAN, WOW TAKES NO SKILL LOOK AT THAT BS, MAGES = OP" complaint. Sure, speccing Arcane/Fire on a mage, and doing that, is probably the easiest route to go for an inexperienced player, but that doesn't mean it's the most effective playstyle. For instance, in Arenas (the most common place for pvp, if not for BGs), if a mage were to throw an instant pyrobloast (6 second cast, but can be instant with a spell gained from speccing arcane with a cooldown) at someone (assuming at a higher arena rating), it'd probably take off around 40-60% of that person's HP (considering it crit), and it still wouldn't kill the person. You can go ahead and throw in a blastwave, fireblast, arcane explosion right after it (all instant cast spells), and you may find yourself winning. But that only means the other team's healer doesn't know what he/she is doing, or the other team was too incompetent to kill a fire mage relying purely on damage rather than a mix with defensive abilities. That's just one example, feel free to throw other scenarios at me. It's all about reaction time and knowing what spell/ability/item to use at the right time. Like the OP said, almost every class can some way counter another's ability, making it very challenging at times, requiring you to use all sorts of keybinds. I felt I needed to defend a game I played for the past 3 years, go ahead and tell me I'm wrong, but please give an explanation/argument to it. Like I said, I quit wow. Not because of the pvp, but because of the grindfest Blizzard gives it. All they want to do is just make you waste more time to get gear that isn't going to improve yourself that much. This applys in PvP and PvE. |
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9/14/07 1:57:20 PM#65
Originally posted by Sykomyke Blah, now that makes me feel bad. Cause (Though I put it on halt) my PnP RPG was going to have the ability to ready like 2 spells instead of having to chant them. (Once time use) Though they do have to chant them prior. Siehst du mich |
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9/14/07 1:58:13 PM#66
Originally posted by Kshahdoo Thats assuming (WHICH YOU ARE!!) that WAr will have the same mechanics (which it won't!!) as WoW, think out that box man, if you can, that goes for alot of other people.. think out that box thins game will play unique, as do all good games. |
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9/14/07 2:06:51 PM#67
Originally posted by Kshahdoo WoW pvp is like the special olympics. Sure its fun, fun for 'special' people. But even the best 'special' athlete couldent hold a candle to a standard athlete. "It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde |
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9/14/07 2:44:52 PM#68
Originally posted by Zerocyde
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9/14/07 5:50:12 PM#69
Originally posted by ormstunga I've been out of wow for awhile now, but last I heard 90% of 2v2 and 3v3 teams had a warlock and a healer of some type. Maybe perhaps 5v5 is somewhat skill based, but still wow pvp doesnt really require skill to obtain high rankings.
On a side note I played DAoC for a long time and left to play wow when guild started playing there. It was a nice change. Needed something new and fresh, especially after all the grinding for scrolls and such for ToA and lvling artifacts. We tried to make the pvp like DAoC by running around high lvl areas as a 5 man group looking for other 5 mans. Didnt last too long mainly because not many did it and competition sucked. What I liked about DAoC was I could take a month or two break come back and still be competitive in pvp. Wow, you take a break or cant devout hours and hours a day of playtime and you have no shot at being competitive. |
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9/14/07 6:14:15 PM#70
Originally posted by DBags420 I'm assuming you're referring to the gear they introduce into the game with this. Otherwise it sounds like you're saying that it takes more skill to play WoW PvP. :p --------------------------------------------- |
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9/14/07 6:18:19 PM#71
Have you played WoW and how long? Can you name me a mage that one shot kills everything he sees in PvP? Are mages the only class in WoW that have instant abilties? Arent melee moves in pvp instant?
"Well no one can swing a 200 pound axe on the run in Real Life!" derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr "Well no one can shoot fireballs out of there fingertips in Real Life EITHER!! Done yet? |
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BryanBoitono
Novice Member
Joined: 7/05/07
Luck is my middle name. Mind you, my first name is Bad. |
9/14/07 7:17:19 PM#72
Originally posted by logangregor But mainly...and lets be honest...All instant abilities will do in this game is make you very over powered if you stand behind a line of tanks...or have you forgotten about CD? I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had. |
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9/14/07 7:21:55 PM#73
Originally posted by ormstunga So, basically 'I know you are, but what am I?' ? lol, k. Sorry I made fun of something you like. :( Lets be friends before someone gets called a doo-doo head! :P "It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde |
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DuraheLL
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Joined: 12/14/05
** Ooh theeres aaa monkey in my pocket and hes stealing all my change ** |
9/14/07 8:05:06 PM#74
Originally posted by Kshahdoo U-huh?
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9/14/07 8:13:18 PM#75
Originally posted by DuraheLL Yeah... You lost me there. Siehst du mich |
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9/20/07 2:47:09 AM#76
Originally posted by DBags420
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Woodwind88
Novice Member
Joined: 9/16/07
"Because it isn''t always clear skies and vibrant sunsets." |
9/20/07 9:30:39 PM#77
d00d my PoM pyroblast pwned j00! |
With all that resilience and amount of HP? Hardly... |
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9/21/07 10:47:02 AM#79
Good to know that you won't be playing WAR. Ultima Online 98~04 |
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9/21/07 11:48:33 AM#80
Originally posted by Varlok91 *cough* Warlocks |
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. And ye maybe abit of luck might win u a few fights too
