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  LuRavi

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9/11/07 4:14:52 AM#1

at 2:06am

only one server has low population thats Zuluhed,

Obviously Blizzard has done the funky chicken with its population reporting numbers on the Game client...

Either that or the Chinese are online, or those darn Aussies are mucking things up again! Darn you Aussies!

Not even Coilfang has enough population to get it past Low Population!!!!

Blizzard could be pulling a Star Wars Galaxies with the sudden change in their reporting numbers. GOOD GAME BLIZZARD who did you hire from SOE?

I just logged on Alliance have 68 players logged in. I know Coilfang is outnumbered by horde on Coilfang, I'm just saying. On Alliance side its from levels 58-70 only 20 alliance players logged in.

Confirmed at 2:15am still only Zuluhed has low population server reporting.

  SlickShoes

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9/11/07 6:13:59 AM#2

Originally posted by LuRavi

at 2:06am

only one server has low population thats Zuluhed,

Obviously Blizzard has done the funky chicken with its population reporting numbers on the Game client...

Either that or the Chinese are online, or those darn Aussies are mucking things up again! Darn you Aussies!

Not even Coilfang has enough population to get it past Low Population!!!!

Blizzard could be pulling a Star Wars Galaxies with the sudden change in their reporting numbers. GOOD GAME BLIZZARD who did you hire from SOE?

I just logged on Alliance have 68 players logged in. I know Coilfang is outnumbered by horde on Coilfang, I'm just saying. On Alliance side its from levels 58-70 only 20 alliance players logged in.

Confirmed at 2:15am still only Zuluhed has low population server reporting.

so how do you find out exactly how many allaince players are online on your server? im not trying to flame you by the way i want to find out how you do this!

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  IcoGames

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9/11/07 9:03:04 AM#3

Warcraft Realms is one of the better sites I've found for WoW statistics.

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  ormstunga

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stupid is as stupid does

9/11/07 9:05:11 AM#4

Originally posted by SlickShoes

 

Originally posted by LuRavi

at 2:06am

only one server has low population thats Zuluhed,

Obviously Blizzard has done the funky chicken with its population reporting numbers on the Game client...

Either that or the Chinese are online, or those darn Aussies are mucking things up again! Darn you Aussies!

Not even Coilfang has enough population to get it past Low Population!!!!

Blizzard could be pulling a Star Wars Galaxies with the sudden change in their reporting numbers. GOOD GAME BLIZZARD who did you hire from SOE?

I just logged on Alliance have 68 players logged in. I know Coilfang is outnumbered by horde on Coilfang, I'm just saying. On Alliance side its from levels 58-70 only 20 alliance players logged in.

Confirmed at 2:15am still only Zuluhed has low population server reporting.

 

so how do you find out exactly how many allaince players are online on your server? im not trying to flame you by the way i want to find out how you do this!

I'm guessing with the /who command

  Recant

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9/12/07 3:56:19 AM#5

at 2.06 am

 

Realm populations are not ranked in real time.

Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...

  observer

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9/12/07 4:36:09 AM#6

 

Originally posted by ormstunga

 

 

I'm guessing with the /who command


The /who command caps out at 49 using the default UI.  I know the addon at warcraftrealms.com does, but not sure if there's another.

 

 

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  ormstunga

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stupid is as stupid does

9/12/07 7:21:18 AM#7
Originally posted by observer

 

Originally posted by ormstunga

 

 

I'm guessing with the /who command


The /who command caps out at 49 using the default UI.  I know the addon at warcraftrealms.com does, but not sure if there's another.

 

 


I know. But you wont cap out if there's only 20 ppl online will u? And you can narrow the search down by doing more specific searches then just /who mage /who 70, to get a clue how many are online aprox.... if there's more then 49 online haha

  Kyleran

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9/12/07 7:28:38 AM#8

Well, designators like "low, medium and high" are somewhat arbitrary..... and of course they hide the real numbers from you (not sure why though)

I always appreciated the fact that Mythic always reported the number of folks online for each server...... hope they do the same for WAR.

 

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  Oireg

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9/12/07 7:42:46 AM#9

Originally posted by observer

 

Originally posted by ormstunga

 

 

I'm guessing with the /who command


The /who command caps out at 49 using the default UI.  I know the addon at warcraftrealms.com does, but not sure if there's another.

 

 


You can break the /who command down by class/lvl range in order to get the number of people on line.

For example if a /who reports 49 (if that is the limit) you could break it down to a /who warrior, etc.. that is how the census mods work to get a fairly accurate number of players online.

  ormstunga

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stupid is as stupid does

9/12/07 8:11:13 AM#10

Originally posted by Oireg

 

Originally posted by observer

 

Originally posted by ormstunga

 

 

I'm guessing with the /who command


The /who command caps out at 49 using the default UI.  I know the addon at warcraftrealms.com does, but not sure if there's another.

 

 


You can break the /who command down by class/lvl range in order to get the number of people on line.

 

For example if a /who reports 49 (if that is the limit) you could break it down to a /who warrior, etc.. that is how the census mods work to get a fairly accurate number of players online.

and even further with race, area etc... might be needed depending on server pop and time of day

  Pappy13

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9/12/07 10:05:00 AM#11

I don't really know how Blizzard ranks their servers population wise but simply doing a /who at 2:00 in the morning and seeing only a few players certainly doesn't qualify as an accurate account of the server population.  I'd bet my left arm that Blizzard has a little more sophisticated method of determining relative server population on a server.  Now, I'm not saying your wrong that server populations aren't what Blizzard is making them out to be, only that using the /who command or any other way of determining population at an instant in time is a really poor measuring stick.  At the very least you would want an accurate count of the number of accounts logged on over a period of time, say maybe an hour and then you would want that measurement taken several times a day, like maybe every hour and then you would want to see the results of that graphed over a long period of time, like maybe a month, to get a pretty good idea of relative population on a server.

Something like this http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php perhaps?

By the way, this census shows that 7198 total unique characters were found for Coilfang over the last 30 days and remember that there were ONLY 69 snapshots taken in the last 30 days.  Now this is characters and not accounts which can be misleading because 1 account can have multiple characters, but I'm sure that Blizzard can identify individual accounts and I would bet they would have a much better data collection method than the census.

EDIT:  I just checked Blizzard's realm status page and it shows a total of 39 servers as low population.  It shows 28 servers with high population and the rest with medium.  And Coilfang is indeed shown as low population currently.

  User Deleted
9/12/07 10:58:24 AM#12

Originally posted by Pappy13

I don't really know how Blizzard ranks their servers population wise but simply doing a /who at 2:00 in the morning and seeing only a few players certainly doesn't qualify as an accurate account of the server population.  I'd bet my left arm that Blizzard has a little more sophisticated method of determining relative server population on a server.  Now, I'm not saying your wrong that server populations aren't what Blizzard is making them out to be, only that using the /who command or any other way of determining population at an instant in time is a really poor measuring stick.  At the very least you would want an accurate count of the number of accounts logged on over a period of time, say maybe an hour and then you would want that measurement taken several times a day, like maybe every hour and then you would want to see the results of that graphed over a long period of time, like maybe a month, to get a pretty good idea of relative population on a server.

Something like this http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php perhaps?

By the way, this census shows that 7198 total unique characters were found for Coilfang over the last 30 days and remember that there were ONLY 69 snapshots taken in the last 30 days.  Now this is characters and not accounts which can be misleading because 1 account can have multiple characters, but I'm sure that Blizzard can identify individual accounts and I would bet they would have a much better data collection method than the census.

EDIT:  I just checked Blizzard's realm status page and it shows a total of 39 servers as low population.  It shows 28 servers with high population and the rest with medium.  And Coilfang is indeed shown as low population currently.


Obviously that census mod is not 100% accurate, but if we half the number of "characters" on coilfang (assuming the average player has 2 characters) we still get 3000+ "individual" players, the problem is that the OP logs in in the early morning at 2 and 3 am, when the western world is asleep.

Try a "/who 70 shat" even at 2-3am it should max out the list to 49 even at that late hour... shat being shattrah city in outlands.

  Quingu

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 414

9/12/07 11:42:12 AM#13
Originally posted by Pappy13

I don't really know how Blizzard ranks their servers population wise but simply doing a /who at 2:00 in the morning and seeing only a few players certainly doesn't qualify as an accurate account of the server population.  I'd bet my left arm that Blizzard has a little more sophisticated method of determining relative server population on a server.  Now, I'm not saying your wrong that server populations aren't what Blizzard is making them out to be, only that using the /who command or any other way of determining population at an instant in time is a really poor measuring stick.  At the very least you would want an accurate count of the number of accounts logged on over a period of time, say maybe an hour and then you would want that measurement taken several times a day, like maybe every hour and then you would want to see the results of that graphed over a long period of time, like maybe a month, to get a pretty good idea of relative population on a server.

Something like this http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php perhaps?

By the way, this census shows that 7198 total unique characters were found for Coilfang over the last 30 days and remember that there were ONLY 69 snapshots taken in the last 30 days.  Now this is characters and not accounts which can be misleading because 1 account can have multiple characters, but I'm sure that Blizzard can identify individual accounts and I would bet they would have a much better data collection method than the census.

EDIT:  I just checked Blizzard's realm status page and it shows a total of 39 servers as low population.  It shows 28 servers with high population and the rest with medium.  And Coilfang is indeed shown as low population currently.

7198 divide for 30 days =239 chars per day that means that server is more then dead, you would not find more then 20 to 30 people online at same time, at that rate. just checked the server status there is 49 low pop servers right now... no wonder everyone of official forums is asking for servers merge!

  User Deleted
9/12/07 12:22:54 PM#14

Originally posted by Quingu
Originally posted by Pappy13

I don't really know how Blizzard ranks their servers population wise but simply doing a /who at 2:00 in the morning and seeing only a few players certainly doesn't qualify as an accurate account of the server population.  I'd bet my left arm that Blizzard has a little more sophisticated method of determining relative server population on a server.  Now, I'm not saying your wrong that server populations aren't what Blizzard is making them out to be, only that using the /who command or any other way of determining population at an instant in time is a really poor measuring stick.  At the very least you would want an accurate count of the number of accounts logged on over a period of time, say maybe an hour and then you would want that measurement taken several times a day, like maybe every hour and then you would want to see the results of that graphed over a long period of time, like maybe a month, to get a pretty good idea of relative population on a server.

Something like this http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php perhaps?

By the way, this census shows that 7198 total unique characters were found for Coilfang over the last 30 days and remember that there were ONLY 69 snapshots taken in the last 30 days.  Now this is characters and not accounts which can be misleading because 1 account can have multiple characters, but I'm sure that Blizzard can identify individual accounts and I would bet they would have a much better data collection method than the census.

EDIT:  I just checked Blizzard's realm status page and it shows a total of 39 servers as low population.  It shows 28 servers with high population and the rest with medium.  And Coilfang is indeed shown as low population currently.

7198 divide for 30 days =239 chars per day that means that server is more then dead, you would not find more then 20 to 30 people online at same time, at that rate. just checked the server status there is 49 low pop servers right now... no wonder everyone of official forums is asking for servers merge!

You miss read, its not 7198 unique logins every month.. its 7198 different characters that have logged in during the 30days (we dont know how many days each of those characters are logged in for). 4000 could log in everyday and the other 3000 alts.

20-30 people online at any 1 time on any WoW server. ROFL. Go read the officla coilfang realm forum and you'll see posts about guilds downing Grull (25man dungeon).. which puts the 20-30 online to bed right away. 

The OP should play on a server in his/her time zones and the problem is fixed, loggin on at 2-3am and expecting to find groups is pointless... for all mmo's.

I am not saying its not hard to find ppl on Coilfang, But I am on a medium pop server and its jammed packed at the usual gaming hours 5pm-11pm. if i log in at 2am like the OP even on a medium pop server I wont get groups.

  Quingu

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9/12/07 1:28:01 PM#15
Originally posted by cupertino

 

Originally posted by Quingu
Originally posted by Pappy13

I don't really know how Blizzard ranks their servers population wise but simply doing a /who at 2:00 in the morning and seeing only a few players certainly doesn't qualify as an accurate account of the server population.  I'd bet my left arm that Blizzard has a little more sophisticated method of determining relative server population on a server.  Now, I'm not saying your wrong that server populations aren't what Blizzard is making them out to be, only that using the /who command or any other way of determining population at an instant in time is a really poor measuring stick.  At the very least you would want an accurate count of the number of accounts logged on over a period of time, say maybe an hour and then you would want that measurement taken several times a day, like maybe every hour and then you would want to see the results of that graphed over a long period of time, like maybe a month, to get a pretty good idea of relative population on a server.

Something like this http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php perhaps?

By the way, this census shows that 7198 total unique characters were found for Coilfang over the last 30 days and remember that there were ONLY 69 snapshots taken in the last 30 days.  Now this is characters and not accounts which can be misleading because 1 account can have multiple characters, but I'm sure that Blizzard can identify individual accounts and I would bet they would have a much better data collection method than the census.

EDIT:  I just checked Blizzard's realm status page and it shows a total of 39 servers as low population.  It shows 28 servers with high population and the rest with medium.  And Coilfang is indeed shown as low population currently.

7198 divide for 30 days =239 chars per day that means that server is more then dead, you would not find more then 20 to 30 people online at same time, at that rate. just checked the server status there is 49 low pop servers right now... no wonder everyone of official forums is asking for servers merge!

You miss read, its not 7198 unique logins every month.. its 7198 different characters that have logged in during the 30days (we dont know how many days each of those characters are logged in for). 4000 could log in everyday and the other 3000 alts.

 

20-30 people online at any 1 time on any WoW server. ROFL. Go read the officla coilfang realm forum and you'll see posts about guilds downing Grull (25man dungeon).. which puts the 20-30 online to bed right away. 

The OP should play on a server in his/her time zones and the problem is fixed, loggin on at 2-3am and expecting to find groups is pointless... for all mmo's.

I am not saying its not hard to find ppl on Coilfang, But I am on a medium pop server and its jammed packed at the usual gaming hours 5pm-11pm. if i log in at 2am like the OP even on a medium pop server I wont get groups.

yeah right what you saying doesn't make any sense because most of people login their main chars. but i understood the blindness of fanbois is very present here ;) I have ALOT of friends that left WOW because they can't find people to group with, get over it WOW time as gone and blizzard will have to make server merges, or all people on low pop servers will quit.

  Pappy13

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9/12/07 3:58:40 PM#16
Originally posted by Quingu
Originally posted by cupertino

 

Originally posted by Quingu
Originally posted by Pappy13

I don't really know how Blizzard ranks their servers population wise but simply doing a /who at 2:00 in the morning and seeing only a few players certainly doesn't qualify as an accurate account of the server population.  I'd bet my left arm that Blizzard has a little more sophisticated method of determining relative server population on a server.  Now, I'm not saying your wrong that server populations aren't what Blizzard is making them out to be, only that using the /who command or any other way of determining population at an instant in time is a really poor measuring stick.  At the very least you would want an accurate count of the number of accounts logged on over a period of time, say maybe an hour and then you would want that measurement taken several times a day, like maybe every hour and then you would want to see the results of that graphed over a long period of time, like maybe a month, to get a pretty good idea of relative population on a server.

Something like this http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php perhaps?

By the way, this census shows that 7198 total unique characters were found for Coilfang over the last 30 days and remember that there were ONLY 69 snapshots taken in the last 30 days.  Now this is characters and not accounts which can be misleading because 1 account can have multiple characters, but I'm sure that Blizzard can identify individual accounts and I would bet they would have a much better data collection method than the census.

EDIT:  I just checked Blizzard's realm status page and it shows a total of 39 servers as low population.  It shows 28 servers with high population and the rest with medium.  And Coilfang is indeed shown as low population currently.

7198 divide for 30 days =239 chars per day that means that server is more then dead, you would not find more then 20 to 30 people online at same time, at that rate. just checked the server status there is 49 low pop servers right now... no wonder everyone of official forums is asking for servers merge!

You miss read, its not 7198 unique logins every month.. its 7198 different characters that have logged in during the 30days (we dont know how many days each of those characters are logged in for). 4000 could log in everyday and the other 3000 alts.

 

20-30 people online at any 1 time on any WoW server. ROFL. Go read the officla coilfang realm forum and you'll see posts about guilds downing Grull (25man dungeon).. which puts the 20-30 online to bed right away. 

The OP should play on a server in his/her time zones and the problem is fixed, loggin on at 2-3am and expecting to find groups is pointless... for all mmo's.

I am not saying its not hard to find ppl on Coilfang, But I am on a medium pop server and its jammed packed at the usual gaming hours 5pm-11pm. if i log in at 2am like the OP even on a medium pop server I wont get groups.

yeah right what you saying doesn't make any sense because most of people login their main chars. but i understood the blindness of fanbois is very present here ;) I have ALOT of friends that left WOW because they can't find people to group with, get over it WOW time as gone and blizzard will have to make server merges, or all people on low pop servers will quit.


No, he's not a fanboi, his point is valid.  You can't simply divide the 7000 number by 30 to get the number of characters per day because that 7000 number doesn't tell you how many days that character was logged in during that period it just tells you that it was logged in at least once.  Also it doesnt tell you how many other characters were logged in at a time when the census wasn't taken.  There were only 69 snapshots taken during the month.  That's only about twice a day on average.  How many characters were missed?  Could be double that number or 10 times that number for all we know.  The point is that even the census data is extremely suspect and only Blizzard has access to the server to really get good info on how many people are logging into the servers on a daily basis.  We can speculate all we want but in the end it doesn't mean much more than the OP who did a /who at 2:00 am and saw 20 people and decided the server was dead. LOL

  Daffid011

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9/12/07 4:11:07 PM#17

Originally posted by Quingu

7198 divide for 30 days =239 chars per day that means that server is more then dead, you would not find more then 20 to 30 people online at same time, at that rate. just checked the server status there is 49 low pop servers right now... no wonder everyone of official forums is asking for servers merge!

It would seem that on your planet a true unique character can only log in one day out of the month for your 7198 / 30 to be correct.

 

I played on EQ2 test and DAOC test where the populations were indeed from 50-300 (max) and I can tell you that I highly doubt there are WoW Servers like that.  Those servers were ghost towns, but very close knit communities where everyone knew each other. Maybe at 4am in the morning you can see populations drop like that when no one is playing in that hemisphere. 

 

To the Original poster.  Most companies put up the low/mew/high populations in a effort to attract new players to the less populated servers.  At least in theory...

  User Deleted
9/12/07 4:18:09 PM#18

Well I don't know what to tell the OP..

the server I logged on was rated "low".. The Scryers or however its spelled.  Moved there from Feathermoon..

Compared to any other MMO I play it would be a "high" Population server. 

As another poster was saying.. I as well played test server in EQ1 in the early days.  There was around 300 people and you knew almost everyone...

My daoc server well cluster now (gareth) and cluster is bossiney... has at its peaks 2000'ish players and its a ghost town compared to my "low" population wow server.

I also know that vivendi reported a 91+ percent profit increase from the same quarter last year.. in its gaming division which was mostly attributed to WoW.  So I'm definitely not of a mind set to think they inflate the numbers... (what's the point) and in fact Vivendi has been reporting record quarters just about every quarter.. due to wow.. so it wouldn't really make sense to think that the subs aren't there.

 

  azgarth

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9/12/07 4:28:13 PM#19

World of Warcraft is like a virus, you and your in-game friends might take a break, but some of your colegues just started playing the game now, this very month, this year, and all the talk is still about the game. The population is more spread now, but it's healthy and still growing. Some retire, they are replaced by those that heard them talk for years about it. And  since there is no WOW killer at the moment, we all come back after a month or two of rest. You can keep wishing that it died so other online games went to their previous subscription numbers, low compared to those of this titan, but it aint gonna hapen any time soon. 

  Gazenthia

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InvaderGaz

9/13/07 3:04:04 AM#20

Well with WoW there are two official sources of realm population data.

One is the list on their website, and appears to update every now and again, I suspect every month, its not live.

The realm list changes the population count frequently, and I believe it is live.

So, OP, by which of these methods did you happen to witness this phenomenon? Not that you are lying, I just have my own suspicions already.

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