Ok,

I've been playing this game since the beta in 2003, on and off, on and off, as I'm sure many others do, but I'm thinking of permantly stopping the subsription. All I ever wanted to do in this game was arm my battleship to the teeth and go solo hard missions without being nerfed and capped up the arse. My problem may be that my total skill points are only 9.5 million, but still there's no excuse for T2 Missile Launchers to be less effective than T1's for pve. They do less dmg, take up more cpu, you get some minor penalty for using them and the torps cost 3 times more almost.. What the hell is that about?  { Mod Edit }

I dont know where this game is going in PVE anyhow, I dont see how anyone who just likes PVE { Mod Edit } unless they like to mine, can not get bored playing EVE. All there really is to do is to go see agents and get the same old type of missions and come back and repeat, yup, I think my subsription is done, left a 40 day skill (Battleship lvl 5) running and not renewing anymore, unless they fix up the PVE which is near non existant or some new content like landing on planets or stations and actually moving around or who knows what, until than, I'm waiting for the next Space Game.

Originally posted by Achilleys 

I've been playing this game since the beta in 2003, on and off, on and off, as I'm sure many others do, but I'm thinking of permantly stopping the subsription. All I ever wanted to do in this game was arm my battleship to the teeth and go solo hard missions without being nerfed and capped up the arse. My problem may be that my total skill points are only 9.5 million, but still there's no excuse for T2 Missile Launchers to be less effective than T1's for pve. They do less dmg, take up more cpu, you get some minor penalty for using them and the torps cost 3 times more almost.. What the hell is that about? I guess it's to please or balance some pvp nerd geek sh!t.

Also, you fail at EVE. This is not the game you're looking for.

Originally posted by Achilleys

I dont know where this game is going in PVE anyhow, I dont see how anyone who just likes PVE.

You are correct.  If you don't like PvP, there is no point in playing EvE.  That said, EvE's PvP is different than other games. People should give it a try before writing the game off because, "they don't like PvP". 

Everything in EvE revolves around PvP, but that doesn't mean that everything is about shooting other players.  There are a lot of logistics that going on in any good PvP corp or alliance.  Building, carrier runs, frieghter runs, managing player owned stations, mining, etc...

On a side note, missiles in pvp more or less stink except for small skirmishes, that needs to be fixed.  For instance:

Some of the faster bullet speeds for an average gun are about 3,000 feet per second.  Converting to m/s that would be 914 m/s.  My missiles fly faster than that.  Why is this important?  In major fleet ops, bullets (projectiles) shouldn't hit instantly.  Even railguns (which would accelerate the round faster than a projectile) wouldn't be instant, the only thing that should be instant are lasers.  This would drastically change the landscape of battle and make torps and cruise missiles viable in fleet battles since almost nothing will be hitting the opponent "instantly".

My 2 cents

You've been playing on and off since launch and you only have 9.5mil SP? No wonder why, you don't even train skills. How on earth could you possibly hope to advance in a game when you don't even TRY to improve your character. Even if you only trained a lvl 5 skill everytime your sub ended, you would have more than that.  You do realize that's the equivalent of playing WoW 1 hour a day for a month and then whining on the forums that you're not lvl 70. Please...

Originally posted by PhelanL

 

Originally posted by Achilleys

I dont know where this game is going in PVE anyhow, I dont see how anyone who just likes PVE.

 

 

You are correct.  If you don't like PvP, there is no point in playing EvE.  That said, EvE's PvP is different than other games. People should give it a try before writing the game off because, "they don't like PvP". 

Everything in EvE revolves around PvP, but that doesn't mean that everything is about shooting other players.  There are a lot of logistics that going on in any good PvP corp or alliance.  Building, carrier runs, frieghter runs, managing player owned stations, mining, etc...

I agree with the OP that it can be very dull at times.  However it does serve a purpose to a larger goal.  If you PVE just to PVE it won't except maybe for the ISK.  If your goal is industry based in empire and lowsec, the status gained just helps.  Plus you don't need to continue doing it once you have hit about 6.6 with all your skills trained.  With that you can buy a blue print, refine other peoples ore, sell the manufactured product, and do invention.  But this assumes you would have interest in these things.

Also OP you didn't mention if you were in a corp.  Maybe find a corp that does something other than PVP as their focus.  Although you can't escape PVP totally, I know.

There are many things to do in EVE besides straight PVP.  Plus the grind PVE to do these things doesn't have to last forever, 6.6.

I played for several years, and left at 40 million SP.  PvP is not just shooting at some other player, its also in the market.  When I left I was doing price wars.  If you have the ISK then that is a fun way of brining down the market in a region.  If you mine 23/7 your going to get attacked no matter where your at.  If you mission run, well....you set yourself up for that.  There is not really a PVE solution for this game, its not designed for it. 

You really need to try somthing else out...

After reading all your replies I still dont see anything fun to do in Eve unless you like to PVP or Mine. The Pve is near non existant, if one intends to go into industry or mining without liking PVP I dont know what to say about that.........All I know is that the repetitve agent missions are the only real pve and that's a total bore, the only reason I really came back time after time to this game was the beautiful world/universe, the cool music, stations and ships. Too bad all those go to waste unless your a PVP freak. And your right, if your not into PVP or mining, EVE isnt for ya. To the poster who thinks 10 million isnt enough SP to handle some missions, well thank god i didnt realize that with 40 mil sp, which would have costed an extra 3 years subsription......

Take care.

you are completely right.

the single server model means that it is the players that generate the interest , the majority of space is only defined by the players holding it.

if you only want PvE then EVE is not for you. There is a bit more content being added that will be PvP focused in the upcomming expansion, but even that has a core desighn element that is trying to bring more of the PvE players into PvP. For example all lvl 5 and 6 missions will be in low sec space.

The idea is that in EVE as  MMORPG you don't just solo quest but instead you take part in the politics and group dynamics, from faction warfare, the economy and all the way up to 0.0 politics. That every time you undock you are at risk, that space is a scary place. This structure for many people is the why they play, and i would say for anyone that has played for more than a year, the main reason they keep playing.

if you got what you wanted from EVE would cause me to stop playing.

I hope you find what you are looking for, but i hope you find it elsewhere.

As a Suggestion I would read your skills more. The reason you fit T2 launchers is not for the t2 ammo its for the larger ammo capacity and more importantly the Rate of Fire boost from the specialization skill.

EvE is definatly not for you. After all it IS a PvP game.

Metaldragon i think you are confused. Yes EVE does have PVP but EVE is a empire building game. EVE is more about politics and isk making then it is about PVP. CCP didnt hire a retirerd general to come work for them to make PVP better. They did hire a economist though, lol. If you want good PVP you can play any of the team based PVP games out , they are a dime a dozen.

In closing EVe isnt to focused on PVP, its mainly a tool used to gain wealth and build empires in EVE. THe player base is to focused on PVP time and time again you hear somone say EVE is about PVP. lol. Its about the sand box economy and empire building.

Originally posted by DemonZealot

You've been playing on and off since launch and you only have 9.5mil SP? No wonder why, you don't even train skills. How on earth could you possibly hope to advance in a game when you don't even TRY to improve your character. Even if you only trained a lvl 5 skill everytime your sub ended, you would have more than that.  You do realize that's the equivalent of playing WoW 1 hour a day for a month and then whining on the forums that you're not lvl 70. Please...

 You took the words right out of my mouth. Right when i see that "been playing sence launch and, and 9mill sp" thats an issue. Its because dont play, and i bet your skills are spreed all over the place. Hell, I have been playing sence they shut down E&B take your sp and x by 5. If you have been play from launch have you not been training skills?

 And the game is what you make it, yes its all about pvp but do you have to pvp? Nope you dont ever....

Originally posted by coldfire1234

Metaldragon i think you are confused. Yes EVE does have PVP but EVE is a empire building game. EVE is more about politics and isk making then it is about PVP. CCP didnt hire a retirerd general to come work for them to make PVP better. They did hire a economist though, lol. If you want good PVP you can play any of the team based PVP games out , they are a dime a dozen.

In closing EVe isnt to focused on PVP, its mainly a tool used to gain wealth and build empires in EVE. THe player base is to focused on PVP time and time again you hear somone say EVE is about PVP. lol. Its about the sand box economy and empire building.

90% of the people who don't like EVE are just to dumb to play it plain and simple.

Geuss we will have to agree to disagree. Eve has PVP thats for sure and it is pretty good for point and click. EVE would just be another jumpgate ( which is a good pvp game) without palyer empirers. True no empire was ever built with out war, this is true in life as it is in EVE. Why do these empires fight? Just for the fun? No for power, Glory, and isk. Just as men do in life. You could choose to play EVE just for the PVP but then you would just be a grunt. EVE offers so much more then just PVP. If the devs wanted pure PVP why did they nerf Privateers? LOL. Privateers was pure PVP with 20 to 50 active wars a week. They nerfed Privateers cause it was messing with the empire building activitys of EVE. All im saying is dont be a grunt be a leader. Sadly not all men can see the big picture in EVE . All empirers need grunts to do their bidding so perhaps for many EVE is 100% pvp. Although it offers so much more for Leaders.

Originally posted by coldfire1234

Geuss we will have to agree to disagree. Eve has PVP thats for sure and it is pretty good for point and click. EVE would just be another jumpgate ( which is a good pvp game) without palyer empirers. True no empire was ever built with out war, this is true in life as it is in EVE. Why do these empires fight? Just for the fun? No for power, Glory, and isk. Just as men do in life. You could choose to play EVE just for the PVP but then you would just be a grunt. EVE offers so much more then just PVP. If the devs wanted pure PVP why did they nerf Privateers? LOL. Privateers was pure PVP with 20 to 50 active wars a week. They nerfed Privateers cause it was messing with the empire building activitys of EVE. All im saying is dont be a grunt be a leader. Sadly not all men can see the big picture in EVE . All empirers need grunts to do their bidding so perhaps for many EVE is 100% pvp. Although it offers so much more for Leaders.

Privateers got nerfed because they abused the system to greif small corps. The nerf only effected alliances decing corps, individual corps can dec as before for the most part. Privateers were weak PvPers in the first place, they only ran 50 empire wars because they couldn't handle the real combat in 0.0.

I was a leader of a 1500 man alliance and have been a ceo about two years, and if you don't think the diplomatic conversations on teamspeak aren't PvP your crazy.

Your last post just proved my point EVE is about  Emire building, politics, and isk making. Im glad youe seeing the light. Privateers was one of the purest forms of PVP in EVE. Many would agree that 0.0 wars are for empire building. Hell in alot of 0.0 its safer then in empire, lol. I was a Privateers and boy was it fun. nothing but pure carnage. Every and i mean Every system had war targets. Many times we would be out numbered by 3 or 4 to one. you could fly down the pipe fron rens to jita and have PVP the hole way. Geuss you had to try it to understand.Each corp operated on their own, just because their was a another privateer in system didnt mean you could trust or fly with him. It was like PVP on crack, EVE was starting to fell like Diablo or somthing. I Was in 0.0 before the Privateers and Im their now. Privateers was way better PVP. no setting up, no looking for targets, no 4 hr chases just for one engagment. Just logg on and kill stuff. Oh in case you didnt know Privateers was full of 0.0 alts looking for some fun, who do you think helped fund us? Bottom line privateers got to good at what they were set up to do, KILL stuff lol. Man i miss them.

Im glad you agree that EVE is def way more then just PVP its realy about empire building, politics and isk making. The PVP is pretty good though for point and click. Unnurf  Privateers and let the carnage begin if you want 100% PVP.

Originally posted by coldfire1234

Im glad you agree that EVE is def way more then just PVP its realy about empire building, politics and isk making. The PVP is pretty good though for point and click.

my definition of PvP is pew pew in space, empire building, politics, marketing, and economics (sales and manufacture).

every action in EvE is related directly to another player. Even mission running has become an asault on miners, minerals are now more plentiful through refining mission loot and the miners are having a harder time competing with low end minerals. This is what i mean when i say EvE is a PvP game.

I think you nailed it coldfire. Although PVP drives much of EVE, just as in life war is for the grunts not the rich and powerful.

Originally posted by nurgles

 

Originally posted by coldfire1234

Im glad you agree that EVE is def way more then just PVP its realy about empire building, politics and isk making. The PVP is pretty good though for point and click.

your definition of PvP is pew pew in space.

 

my definition of PvP is pew pew in space, empire building, politics, marketing, and economics (sales and manufacture).

every action in EvE is related directly to another player. Even mission running has become an asault on miners, minerals are now more plentiful through refining mission loot and the miners are having a harder time competing with low end minerals. This is what i mean when i say EvE is a PvP game.

 

And sorry Cold but if you think Privateers were a pure form of PvP you really missed out in EvE.