you could have the best and greatest game, the best graphics and the best gameplay, etc but these don't even compare to the power of a well known name brand.

There is one very powerful tool World of Warcraft has, and it's in its title, that tool is the word Warcraft

Warcraft is the PERFECT series to base an mmorpg off of because it's fans are all PC users, not just PC users, but GAMERS!.

LOTR, Starwars, Harry Potter, Warhammer and pretty much everything else I can think of has TONS, and I mean TONS of fans, but most of their fans read books, play table top games or use another medium that isn't based on the computer. Their fans are not computer users.

The only thing that will topple WoW is WoW2

Tell you the truth... Who cares!  Only way to find out is to wait.

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Originally posted by teiohFromSWG
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LOTR, Starwars, Harry Potter, Warhammer and pretty much everything else I can think of has TONS, and I mean TONS of fans, but most of their fans read books, play table top games or use another medium that isn't based on the computer. Their fans are not computer users.

The only thing that will topple WoW is WoW2

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i'm guessing that's just poor wording on your part, but there are a lot of computer users that are into the other things you've mentioned.

i enjoy Star Wars, Harry Potter, LOTR and Warhammer. i read a lot and dork out with table top gaming (Cyberpunk) on a monthly basis. i'm also a social individual that enjoys a good party (and not the kind in an MMO. :P) this doesn't mean that i'm not a computer user, because i am a gamer and avid computer user on top of everything else.

i could go on, but i'd start to sound like a personal ad in a newspaper. ;P

So far 2008 will be a good year for MMO's, with a couple of interesting titles coming out.  But no matter what, WoW will keep going.  WoW is a very solid game, with lots of content to keep it running for years.  It definitely won't be destroyed by anything coming out.

Originally posted by t0yb0x

 

 

i'm guessing that's just poor wording on your part, but there are a lot of computer users that are into the other things you've mentioned.

i enjoy Star Wars, Harry Potter, LOTR and Warhammer. i read a lot and dork out with table top gaming (Cyberpunk) on a monthly basis. i'm also a social individual that enjoys a good party (and not the kind in an MMO. :P) this doesn't mean that i'm not a computer user, because i am a gamer and avid computer user on top of everything else.

i could go on, but i'd start to sound like a personal ad in a newspaper. ;P

PC gaming is already a niche market, but I have no doubt there are fans of series such as harry potter, war hammer or any other major series such as yourself that have computers capable of modern gaming. It's just I doubt there is anywhere near enough of these fans to come even close to unseating WoW.

Maybe they could get some fans of these series on consoles, they're decently priced. Even then I strongly doubt they'd crack the 500k mark with any other IP.

Although Star Wars managed to get 300k subs with an unfinished game, maybe they could get a mil with a complete one...

I registered just to talk in this thread. I was delighted to see that Harry Potter was *already* brought up and would like to refute the notion that there are not enough fans to support a great MMORPG for it. That particular fanbase is VERY reliant and consistently active on the internet. Its where a large percentage of them became attracted to the series, and most importantly where they all went in between books and afterwards.


The last book came out this year ( I didn't like it personally), and fans are desperate for SOMETHING Harry Potter related that will provide them with the experience they had with the books. The only thing that will ever do that besides another book is an MMORPG. Think about it, a large part of the experience was going online and talking about the world. The laws, abilties, and what would happen next. It is like the money is just literally sitting there waiting for someone to pick it up.

Universal Studios is already cashing in on their desperation, they are building a Harry Potter theme park/island. WB can and does put whatever quality movie based on Harry Potter out because fans will buy it ( much to my dismay). So yeah, I think that a MMORPG based on Harry Potter would be one hell of a contender in the MMORPG market.

edit: Oh and no, I am not just some sort of crazy fangirl talking out of her behind. I used to be until the last book, which I was very angry about. However I would just like to see ONE really good MMORPG to actually come out besides WoW, and a HP MMO would be developed by EA.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

I registered just to talk in this thread. I was delighted to see that Harry Potter was *already* brought up and would like to refute the notion that there are not enough fans to support a great MMORPG for it. That particular fanbase is VERY reliant and consistently active on the internet. Its where a large percentage of them became attracted to the series, and most importantly where they all went in between books and afterwards.


The last book came out this year ( I didn't like it personally), and fans are desperate for SOMETHING Harry Potter related that will provide them with the experience they had with the books. The only thing that will ever do that besides another book is an MMORPG. Think about it, a large part of the experience was going online and talking about the world. The laws, abilties, and what would happen next. It is like the money is just literally sitting there waiting for someone to pick it up.

Universal Studios is already cashing in on their desperation, they are building a Harry Potter theme park/island. WB can and does put whatever quality movie based on Harry Potter out because fans will buy it ( much to my dismay). So yeah, I think that a MMORPG based on Harry Potter would be one hell of a contender in the MMORPG market.

A Harry Potter MMO would only work if it has FFA pvp.  Well, maybe not, but man that would be fun to make some ugly toothless wizard kid and just beat the shit outa some Harry Potter looking kids.

WHy do people think WoW will be the one that dies, if anything LOTRO and EQ2 will die way before WoW dies. 2008 will be the nail in the coffin for EQ2

Originally posted by sullivanj69

A Harry Potter MMO would only work if it has FFA pvp.  Well, maybe not, but man that would be fun to make some ugly toothless wizard kid and just beat the shit outa some Harry Potter looking kids.

  This is another reason why I think a Harry Potter mmorpg would do well against the likes of WoW and EQ2, the PvE and PvP is already there in the world. Unlike D@D and most notably LotRo, Harry Potter can make the transition to such a virtual world without losing much of the literary one. The literary one does not have a very solid law of what magic can and can't (this is what made me dislike the last book) do so the fans would not have anything to complain about.

The happy atmosphere, fantasy setting, and built in fan base make it alike but different enough from WoW to attract players.

I hate beets.  They're awful.

DARKFALL WILL REIGN SUPREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!               thats the simple truth....

I am missing the one true answer in your poll

The Chronicles of spellborn

tcos.com/news/index.php

Just because its different, and has a whole other feeling then all previously released games, its not a EQ or WoW clone but its own game.

All looks pretty sick to me, whatever run son my PC I'll play. ;]

Originally posted by teiohFromSWG

 

PC gaming is already a niche market

MMOs are still a niche market when compared to PC and console gaming as a whole but that's a different point altogether.

  I would have just linked to the original post; but now can't find it.. sorry.

But did anyone see the story about the game maplestory claiming... FOUR MILLION U.S. subscribers.

No accounting for taste i guess.. but unless I'm mistaken; thats more than WoW for U.S. - thats...

    I'm not sure what it is but its something to consider:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M4SsoI4K6g

 edit: found the original thread: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1610180#1610180

  I DO think its worth linking to here; however, not because I think these games will "destroy" wow - but more to point out that clearly what I and I suspect others would consider a "good" game(or anything else) has nothing to do with what is popular...  which is how I've always felt about WoW; for all the difference THAT makes

Originally posted by Vortigon

 

Originally posted by teiohFromSWG

 

PC gaming is already a niche market

Niche market??? Sorry but your completely wrong...this isn't the 80s anymore (yes I remember them lol) PC ownership is higher than it ever was and PC gaming is a multi-billion £/$ industry which has overtaken the movie industry in both profit and turnover.

 

MMOs are still a niche market when compared to PC and console gaming as a whole but that's a different point altogether.

PC game sales: $1.1 billion, down 15% from 2006^[10]

PC gaming is becoming a niche market and it is not a multi-billion dollar industry. Hardware costs rise, game development costs rise, piracy rises and sales are falling, fast.

WoW is defeated by an army of lemmings.

Originally posted by Orca

WoW is defeated by an army of lemmings.

More specifically, the new SOE published MMO, Lemmings Online.

Looks like WAR has been ordained to destroy Wow

Originally posted by FunKPanda

Someone please lock this thread before it goes any farther. This subject has been banged against the wall countless and countless of times.

Im surprised there are GENERAL forums for mmorpgs. There's only so much people can talk about when only 2 major MMO's are released per year.

So once again. Stop posting in this thread. DO NOT CONTINUE THIS POINTLESS CONVERSATION!

  awww c'mon panda -

   everybody's just having fun.

 of course its been beat against the wall countless times... but look at the member count. new people gain interest in this silliness as quickly as old ones lose interest.  And most of these posts are just humor anyway - if you're not amused; don't participate.

 Jokes aside; hey I stand by what i said earlier: wow is what 80's D&D was...

  I strongly believe anyone who wants a share of the market will have to go for the niches...