Originally posted by Kyleran

Forgive the ignorance of this question, but aren't the classes in WAR quite a bit different on each side of the conflict? In other words, only the side of Order has Bright Wizards?  If that's the case, people may be more drawn to the class they want to play, and not the realm. (I know thats how I'm likely to chose which side to play, my son wants to be a BW)

WOW had the same classes on both sides of the fight except for Pallys and Shamans when it first started, and I know many people chose alliance or horde just on that basis.  My entire guild went Alliance because our GM wanted to be a Pally, when many of us wanted to play on the Horde side.

 

Yes, they are technically different classes, but the same architypes. Also, something that seems to be popping up is that, lets take for instance tanks, is that across racial pairings (Greenskin/Highelf) classes seem to start having some similarities. The Black Orc seems to be like a pretty "offensive tank" and so does the Swordmaster (This is from gamesday information about the blackorc, and things paul/jeff said about the swordmaster). 

SO, while they are different classes they have similarities, eg offensive tank. The Ironbreaker/Chosen are shaping up to be the most defensive tanks, but no one really knows yet about Chosen-Mechanics. 

For your example, yes empire has bright wizards, but chaos have magus (DD magic dealer). 

Originally posted by Kyleran

Forgive the ignorance of this question, but aren't the classes in WAR quite a bit different on each side of the conflict? In other words, only the side of Order has Bright Wizards?  If that's the case, people may be more drawn to the class they want to play, and not the realm. (I know thats how I'm likely to chose which side to play, my son wants to be a BW)

WOW had the same classes on both sides of the fight except for Pallys and Shamans when it first started, and I know many people chose alliance or horde just on that basis.  My entire guild went Alliance because our GM wanted to be a Pally, when many of us wanted to play on the Horde side.

 

marauder = mutan freak guy who is gonna kill you very fast witch hunter = runs up behind you and shoots you pointblank range with his pistol and hits you with rapier and runs...to strike again

Originally posted by Noan 

 

Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side.

1st: almost every kid likes Dark Elves, feels like it will be 40% of elves, 40% of Chaos and other Greenskins on one side.

2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE.

3rd:  in Warhammer Tabletop ver. very popular armies are Beasts of Chaos, DE or Hordes of Chaos (not talking about Vampire Counts). Skaven popular too btw.

I know a few kids that play WoW. Guess what race they play? This is obvious.

Don't you remember these forums when WoW was about to come out? It was the same deal saying horde was going to be over populated.

Those polls mean pretty much nothing, because there is only a minority of the potential gaming population following WAR on forums right now. Now, maybe if you polled every single beta applicant, and collected that data somewhere, then you could tote that around saying, "see, look here". But, to say that those polls(which the same people could be the population being polled on every site) are accurate is very incorrect.

TT-Didn't you read the post above you with all the green? Probably should check that out and see that dwarf/empire are very very popular armies too

I think the OP has some really good points and a good arguable topic here.  I agree with most points, however, I do not feel the the Destruction has better looking characters.  I think the Order looks better overall.  That feeds into your point of kids wanting to be Order and not Destruction.  I was alliance in WoW but always wished I woulda went with Horde, so this is my chance to jump ship and I probably will as more information comes out.

Originally posted by Noan

 

 

Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side.

I made a post about this unbalance the other day and I mentioned that even in the dev's podcasts (specificly the brittish guy with sunglasses) you see them kind-of sit back and roll their eyes when describing Order classes and jump up and yell when describing Destruction.  Thats an exageration, but there is a noticable difference.

I read a review article from a guy who got to play some of the classes and out of his top 4:  3 were destruction.

I love being green so i choose destruction instead of following the crowd :)

Originally posted by Midaveg

I love being green so i choose destruction instead of following the crowd :)

Except this time.... being green appears to be following the crowd...maybe you should roll a dwarf.....

    I'll be order unless i'm out voted by my guild, which is also mainly family members.  I always seem to pick the underdog side of things though.  I guess i'm just a gluntin' for punishment 

    Anyway if everyone that has PvP/RvR skills plays destruction not much of a challenge.  Which is one more reason to to play Order.  Think about...convert, mend your ways see the light.  Is my Jedi mind tricks working on you?

I agree pretty much with everything Puma said.

Personally I don't pick a side because of looks and just play the class that I enjoy. If there's the same class for more than one race then looks do become a factor. Personally I almost always play a dwarf if I can and it probably won't change for this. I really like is Chaos but that's because my 40K armies were Chaos and Eldar - despite the fact that they're basically the 40K elves albeit much cooler. Ignoring that recently I've grown really fond of greenskins especially goblins so I'll give the squig herder a go because I love pet classes. But like all MMOs I'll probably try a few race/class combos until I find the one I really like.

i would like to add my 1.5 cents for what it's worth ...

i understand that i am a novice member to this site, however, i have been following the posts of various games for quite some time ... i really enjoy this community and reading the up-to-date and minute by minute posts.  i really don't understand why there is so much debate about something as simple as 'starting' factions or realms ... people are going to play what they want to play.  my head really starts to spin when i read comments from people stating opinions as factual information.  does it really matter what 'side' people are going to be joining from the start???  so what if one becomes overpopulated from the start.  do you seriously think that community of  gamers playing will not notice this going on and try their best to even things out to keep WAR fun and playable?  really, shouldn't rolling up a toon is based on personal ideas?  i understand that if your guild all goes to one side that you will probably follow ... that's great! ... being in a guild is one of the main aspects to an MMO.  i just don't see why there is so much wasted time playing faction debates.  just buy the game, roll what you want to roll ... what does it matter if all the young, new, TT, pizza eating, anime CCG playing kids are rolling up! (i hope there was humor to that)  the design of  WAR looks to be going very well and the PvP/RvR looks like a lot of fun ... i hope it will be all that it looks to be when the game releases and that 'everyone' as a whole wants to keep it that way so we can all enjoy something fresh and new ... 

for the record, i can't stand WoW ... i am a CoX & NCSoft player ... maybe that is why this whole 'faction/realm'  thing seems silly to me ... i am REALLY looking forward to playing a game based on a TT that i have been playing for years and years ... i wish they would have made 40k MMO first but what can you do ... *shrug*  

keep posting and i'll keep reading!  these forums are great!

You'd be right but sadly there are a lot of people who want to be "the best" in these games for virtual bragging rights and will play whatever gives them the biggest advantage. Hence the flavour of the month players. Then you get people that enjoy playing the underdog because it affords you more oportunities for PvP. Some guilds wth long standing rivalries will always pick opposite sides, some will stick with their old guilds etc.

Basically there are way too many factors to take into account before anyone says that one side will gorssly outnumber the other. It's the way of MMOs that some servers will always have more numbers on one side. My old WoW server was once dominated by horde but from what I've heard they're virtually extinct now.

Originally posted by schooley

i really don't understand why there is so much debate about something as simple as 'starting' factions or realms ... >Because imbalance in realm populations can unbalance the PVP aspect of open combat<   does it really matter what 'side' people are going to be joining from the start???  >Yes, it really does matter if too many join one side over the other< so what if one becomes overpopulated from the start.  >You would have had to play a game like DAOC or even WOW to understand the negatives of a population imbalance< do you seriously think that community of  gamers playing will not notice this going on and try their best to even things out to keep WAR fun and playable?  >No they won't, in DAOC for years many servers had an imbalance between  the 3 realms (usually either Albion or Hibs) and it did affect the gaming experience of the underdog realms.  Mythic tried several techniques to balance the sides including bonus /level command which let folks who already had a lvl 50 char in one realm re-roll on another and start right off at level 30 (instead of 20 on other servers) Sadly, these efforts mostly failed.< really, shouldn't rolling up a toon is based on personal ideas?  > Perhaps in theory you are correct, but in reality I want to play on servers that maintain more or less a 50/50 balance, and that's why people are debating the issue here atm< i just don't see why there is so much wasted time playing faction debates. >Again, because you haven't experienced the negative impacts that faction imbalances have caused in the past, which is obvious since you stated<

"for the record, i can't stand WoW ... i am a CoX & NCSoft player ... "

 Oh yes, also a good idea to not come into the forums and accuse us of "wasting time" discussing a subject...its ours to waste....

well that makes sense ... and i can understand that.  i have played numerous MMOs on top of CoX including non-NCSoft titles like WoW [this is how i know i can't stand it], DDO, LotRO, Matrix Online [i won't even go there], and a ton of Free MMO's and probably about 5 other pay MMOs that i can't even think of ... i never experienced a server imbalance and i see that this is really a problem in the MMO fantasy genre and maybe even other types.  thanks for not flaming my post ... i appreciate the informative reply. 

as for me, i am going to roll up about every race and every type.  i just want to try out every possible aspect of this game ... i'll figure out what i like to play soon enough and stick with it until LvL cap.

One last thing to note about my post, reguardless of whether it's true, just or unjust, the general preception is

• childern play the "good" side (yes I do know the WAR lore and that both sides are pretty equally bad in a sence)

and

• true pvp'ers / gankers play the "bad" side.

Now we can argue if these perceptions are correct, but not the general truth of the statements alone. Just to further hammer in my point -- WAR is a pvp game first and foremost.

Given the 2 above overly generalized preceptions, it would be safe to assume that the general population would a) not want to pvp with kids and b) pvp with regular pvp'ers, which would, subconsciencely even, make them roll Destruction.

I probably shouldn't of written this at 2am and that is my mistake as my wording could of been clearer.

By the way... perception is 100% reality reguardless of it's truth.

I always would have imagined children would play the evil race because they think its COOL to be bad.

Originally posted by shayes8

I always would have imagined children would play the evil race because they think its COOL to be bad.

That preception would be true if every game had the character designers that Mythic does. Overall "evil" races are generally very ugly in MMO's. which lead to the sterotype.

The only game I can think of in recent memory with better looking evil characters would be CoX, and not to belittle the game or community, but many more people will be coming from WoW (mainly because CoX is a good unique game and many probably won't leave).

Originally posted by dominia

 

Originally posted by shayes8

I always would have imagined children would play the evil race because they think its COOL to be bad.

 

That preception would be true if every game had the character designers that Mythic does. Overall "evil" races are generally very ugly in MMO's. which lead to the sterotype.

The only game I can think of in recent memory with better looking evil characters would be CoX, and not to belittle the game or community, but many more people will be coming from WoW (mainly because CoX is a good unique game and many probably won't leave).

I think there's also something to be said for players who like to switch things up. If you've been playing a certain race, alignment, or faction for 6 months to several years in another MMO, it's sometimes nice to start fresh in a new game. I think there are just as many of this type of player as there are the people who always play an elf or a dwarf or a human or whatever throughout each game they play.

Even though each race will have the similar class archetypes, I think there seems to be enough differences from race to race where people will decide based on class over simply race. I tend to HATE elves, but several of the classes Mythic have revealed so far look cool enough to try out. I also tend to avoid humans in fantasy MMO's--they kind of bore me since I see enough of them in real life so usually opt for something different in-game. But the witch hunter could get me to create a human if I try the class on for size and its a good fit.

Originally posted by cveselis

 

Originally posted by Noan 

 

Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side.

1st: almost every kid likes Dark Elves, feels like it will be 40% of elves, 40% of Chaos and other Greenskins on one side.

2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE.

3rd:  in Warhammer Tabletop ver. very popular armies are Beasts of Chaos, DE or Hordes of Chaos (not talking about Vampire Counts). Skaven popular too btw.

I know a few kids that play WoW. Guess what race they play? This is obvious.

 

Don't you remember these forums when WoW was about to come out? It was the same deal saying horde was going to be over populated.

Those polls mean pretty much nothing, because there is only a minority of the potential gaming population following WAR on forums right now. Now, maybe if you polled every single beta applicant, and collected that data somewhere, then you could tote that around saying, "see, look here". But, to say that those polls(which the same people could be the population being polled on every site) are accurate is very incorrect.

TT-Didn't you read the post above you with all the green? Probably should check that out and see that dwarf/empire are very very popular armies too

 

I didn't say it will be like that, it's just my opinion.

Also I always hear/see is "I'm going to play "evil" or "bad" side this time" or something similar.

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by ImixZinz

 

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by ImixZinz

Yea people keep saying this....but come release, everyone is gunna be bitching about the Order zerg.

 

"It was two against a thousand, and we killed em both"

 

 

 

 

 

Very Hard to believe. Feels like everyone will be playing Destruction side.

1st: almost every kid likes Dark Elves, feels like it will be 40% of elves, 40% of Chaos and other Greenskins on one side.

2nd: try searching on web, almost on every site you can find polls and in those polls 1st place is Chaos or DE, last ones are Empire, Dwarfs and HE.

3rd:  in Warhammer Tabletop ver. very popular armies are Beasts of Chaos, DE or Hordes of Chaos (not talking about Vampire Counts). Skaven popular too btw.

I know a few kids that play WoW. Guess what race they play? This is obvious.

 

Oh my! you're right, these polls with 200 people voting obviously show the majority of the MILLIONS that will be playing WAR....

 

I feel sorry for you since you visited some kind of poor sites. I saw polls with 1000+ people.

MILLIONS? Omg, MILLIONS I saw only in WoW. This game didn't have any release yet and you are saying MILLIONS.

Seriusly  the lead in tabletop wargames - for decades. For many years  the second biggest roleplaying game! A lot of stores selling only WARHAMMER stuff . Warhammer miniatures is being sold in nearly every major bookstore in my country. Properly every young kid in my country at some time had been drolling over some WARHAMMER merchandise in the last 10 years . Basicly if you have any experience with fantasy there is non-online odds are you know alot about warhammer!

So Warhammer online is a dream coming true For a lot of people!  And that makes it very reasonble to ekspext millions of players! 

Originally posted by jondifool

 

Originally posted by Noan

 

I feel sorry for you since you visited some kind of poor sites. I saw polls with 1000+ people.

MILLIONS? Omg, MILLIONS I saw only in WoW. This game didn't have any release yet and you are saying MILLIONS.

Millions is a very good estimate! A lot of people don't know how huge a fanbase WARHAMMER has! Especial americans as the fanbase in northeurope is in ........Millions.

 

Seriusly  the lead in tabletop wargames - for decades. For many years  the second biggest roleplaying game! A lot of stores selling only WARHAMMER stuff . Warhammer miniatures is being sold in nearly every major bookstore in my country. Properly every young kid in my country at some time had been drolling over some WARHAMMER merchandise in the last 10 years . Basicly if you have any experience with fantasy there is non-online odds are you know alot about warhammer!

So Warhammer online is a dream coming true For a lot of people!  And that makes it very reasonble to ekspext millions of players! 

 

I completely agree that the Wahammer fan base as a whole (TT'ers and strategy PC gamers included) has  a huge untapped section of the market which Warhammer may or may not be able to tap.

Like I said before, I personally don't believe WAR will appeal to TT'ers who have never played an mmo before. Many TT'ers I've talked to (i admit though this is a small sampling) abor  the idea of mmo's, which is why many of them are still playing table top. Combine that with inherit mid to high system requirements a modern MMO has and one has to expect traditionalists who are not already "into" current PC games will be left in the dark.

WoW got around this by having execptionally low system requirmensts, even for a game released in 2004. Look at the problems EQ2 had on release with EQ traditionalist not wanting to upgrade their PCs (now granted EQ2 had manymore problems at release then just the system requirements).

As best a comparable fan base as I can suggest WAR fans look to is actaully Final Fantasy. Both communities are tight knit, with millions of fans world wide. When FFXI was released, even with all the hype around it, many FF traditionalist never made the jump to the mmo and still don't recognize it as part of the FF universe.

Again FF had other problems at release but it is as best example of a large IP based game as i can think of.

Another exmple would be LotRO. There are more toliken fans wrold wide then FF and WAR combined but LotRO will probably never rise above 1-2 million subs.

Point being, don't count on the non mmo gamers to support WAR just because of the IP. BUT those here should welcome TT'ers with open arms as any TT'er that stays playing WAR is icing on the cake imo.