People take the polls on these forums for a general truth..

First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order.

But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.

Originally posted by Zilux

First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order.

That aside, this thread doesn't do anything to put me at ease.  Several of you said what I have feared, quite simply this:

The new players and WoW fanboys will lean towards Order, the experienced players will lean towards Destruction.

Even if Destruction does not outnumber Order numericly, it most likely will skill-wise.  I would bet on both.  Thats why I posted, id like to see some of the more experienced players come to the light side 

OP you fear being outnumbered.

1. Example: There are Scenarios in this game (among other forms of areas). Numbers will be evened out in Scenarios. 8 vs 8 will always be 8 v 8 if i got it right.

2. If you fear that you and your side are outnumbered SERVER-WIDE let me tell you that theres always - diffrent times of day

                                  - dynamically fluctuating of order/serverside players

                                  - spontaneus locally overweights through incidents

                                     making a whole lot of people of ANY side gather

                                     ("all order come to X it´s the perfect time to strike there")

3. If you fear to be outnumbered LOCALLY then let me tell you that this can always happen. And if you organize with a few fellows you can easily achieve overweight in local areas where the enemy is thin yourself

4. Don´t forget that you can contribute to the war effort by PvE-ing, too.

Don´t fear. Just don´t go alone into PvP areas too much. Which works for EVERY PvP event.

Don´t fear !

DON`T FEAR ! FIGHT ! CHAAARGE !

Originally posted by badgerbadger

 

  something I noticed when playing DDO was there was a certain personality type - the lets say the dogged underdog lovers - that always seemed to end up playing dwarves...

   maybe that will translate in this game too.

in Eq, Dwarf

In wow, Dwarf

in war, DWARF.

It does have the appeal of "underdog" But I also just happen to be a big dwarf person. In the guild that I will be in when the game hits shelves happens to have a very balanced ratio of to be elf/dwarf/empire players. Its actually very odd. I for one, think that this game will have balanced sides. I noticed that shorties in EQ where outnumbered (Back when the factions where clumped into Good/ Bad/ Short, I kid you not about the last one.) But for some reason, I feel dwarfs will have a strong following from the casual gamer and even from some of the hardXcore players.

I was concerned that this game would be plauged by an overpowering destruction side, but I feel, after some research, that they will be very very close. It is true that the PvE and RP realms in wow had strong alliance, but that doesnt mean it had allot of players on at one time.

100000 vs 10?

Destruction threatens my people with slavery and death?

This.

Is.

SPARTA!!! (aka order)

I don't have time to make a parody remix so I'll repost this old one.

http://www.break.com/index/hilarious-300-remix1.html

 I plan on being a Dark Elf but if the Destruction pop is a great deal larger than the 'good guys' then I will reroll to the 'good-uns'.

Originally posted by brostyn

Umm, in WoW Alliance outnumbers Horde. 1.3:1.

The 2 most popular classes are the Human and Night Elf both belonging to Alliance. Blood Elf is third, which has helped even out the sides a bit.

The ugliest and meanest, which I consider Orc and Troll are the two least played races. Not sure why you are thinking peolpe choose the biggest, meanest, ugliest  toons, when the evidence says otherwise.

 

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php

It was real bad before the blood elves evened things out.

 

I also suspect your assumptions in VG are probably just as wrong.

Because wow is for little emo rp kids. War will be dominated by hardcore pvpers, which do tend to flock to the badguy faction.

I think you are under estimating the allure of the order races. I know for myself I started off wanting to be a Chosen, then I read up more on Dwarfs and they are the race for me.

Mythic has solved the population imbalance problem by relying heavily on instanced PvP with cross-server queuing and NPC's to fight for any side that doesn't have enough players.

IMHO it's why GvG is better then RvR. Especially in RvR games were each realm has separate classes and races. It's just all that much harder to bring about balance. We all know how bad Mythic was at balance with DAoC. They are trying their best to avoid such problems in WAR. It appears that focusing on instanced PvP is their answer.

Originally posted by Zilux

People take the polls on these forums for a general truth..

First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order.

But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.

When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.

Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side

Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.

Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.

Originally posted by apocalance

I think the number of people that are going to want to play Warrior Priests will balance it all out.

Ok, joking aside, it's hard to tell at this point. Non-hard corps types tend to go to the pretty races which are going to be the High Elves and the Humans.

Just my 2¢.

Yah.. cause we know that the Witch Elves are ugly as sin

Well, if you believe this to be true, there is two ways to look at it:

1) "OMG THIS GAME SUCKS WE ARE ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED AND WE CAN'T WIN" - The Sissy Way

2) "Stop your whining! We just have more targets to aim at than they do!" - The Correct Way

i doubt it'll be like that.... im pretty sure it will be balanced.

Nope -- not going to happen.

WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races.  Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.

Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.

Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.

Originally posted by harg

 

Originally posted by Noan

 

Originally posted by Zilux

People take the polls on these forums for a general truth..

First off all these polls are just made to speculate and enjoy ourselves with debating and sharing information. Second, Warhammer will attract a huge amount of people and the younger part or the part that are new to MMO's will be in large numbers too. And those players will mostly go for order, to be the heroes who vanquish all evil or that nice looking elf. Most people who post on these forums have a lot of experience with MMO's and are more grown up. So it's normal that the posters here lean more towards destruction. So that's why all polls here give the result with Destruction outnumbering Order.

But I'm still convinced that Order won't be beaten in numbers by destruction, I even think that Order will outnumber destruction. Altough the Dark Elf race lures some good part of the new population towards destruction.. It'll balance out.

When I was kid I wanted to play bad races to beat up those good guys that want to be heroes. Same did my friends.

 

Also when I was playing WoW my guild was on alliance side(that was year ago), those guys were older then me and all of them wanted to go to play WAR on evil side. Everyone wanted to play DE since they look similar to NE (I mean sharp ears and dark skin). I know abut 40 alliance players which going to play "bad" side

Just think if everyone who plays NE will roll on DE plus kids who like playing DE too.

Oh yeah, this is my opinion so saying "this will not happend" or another useless thing will not work.

Dark ELves from Warhammer look nothing like Warcraft's night Elves.

 

Night Elves - Massively out of proportion ears with dark blue/purple/pink skin

Dark Elves - Smaller more in proportion ears and skin so pale it borders on being completely white, they also usually have long jet black hair.

Look at the WAR official trailer and watch the Elves, neither of them look remotely like a Night Elf.

It doesn't matter, their look more similar to DE then HE.

I always start out on the good order side...

Even when I planned to go Horde when WoW came out, I just wanted to play a paladin a little... just to know what it was like...

By that time it was too late.. my friends had all gone Alliance as well, got attached to their characters and would not follow me to horde...

So I was stuck

This time thought I really really want a war priest of sigmar.. Im going Destruction just to break out of my habit.  Not an ork mind you... I would have too many WoW flashbacks and probably wonder why I cant roll a Black Ork Shaman...

Seriously, i keep hearing this good vs evil thing over and over again.  This games morality isnt split on those axis, there is Chaos and Law.

The Order side (the one ppl keep calling "good") will be just as evil as the Destruction side. Instead of twisted mutations from the Warp and Chaos Chosen, there wil be WitchHunters burning ppl at the stake and Arcoflagelants(sp?) giving penance by beating the crap out of Heritics.

I am concerned with a potentialy overwhemling imbalance, but from the sounds of things it will be easy to find somthing else kickarse to play 

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Originally posted by SpiritofGame

Nope -- not going to happen.
WoW Alliance outnumbered Horde because Horde races (until Blood Elves) were posture-challenged, ugly races. Most players simply do not identify strongly with "ugly" races.
Both Order and Destruction in WAR have their share of "attractive" avatars so choosing between Empire and Chaos or High Elf and Dark Elf will be less problematic.
Many of the so-called "Good" races will have "badass" stamped all over them ... just as the "Evil" races will ... making class-choice more important than mere "good vs. evil" decisions.

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i think the gap will be smaller than most would expect.

the classes on the order are sweet too and not to mention to human/elf factor (you all know the one i mean )

I believe in the end the two factions will be balanced, but may vary time to time, and server to server. Even though many people on multiple forums vote for destruction you have to remember that forum readers/posters are a minority compared to the masses.