I refuse to play "free to play" item mall games. A game where I have to pay for every item to compete in the game is ridiculous. I'd rather pay 15$ and be on the level with everyone instead paying for every little thing. These aren't real free games, Guild Wars is the only one that can actually brag that

Originally posted by Baldhor

To be honest, I don't understand that free 2 play strategy ... apparenrtly Guild Wars is making money out of their sales, imgine how much they could do if they were pay 2 play .. because for sure, most would pay to play it

 

I highly doubt that. If you ask around on any GW forum about why people like GW so much and why they bought it, the number one answer is: 'No monthly fees'.

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Originally posted by Rayana

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Originally posted by Baldhor

To be honest, I don't understand that free 2 play strategy ... apparenrtly Guild Wars is making money out of their sales, imgine how much they could do if they were pay 2 play .. because for sure, most would pay to play it
 

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I highly doubt that. If you ask around on any GW forum about why people like GW so much and why they bought it, the number one answer is: 'No monthly fees'.

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I concur... everyone I knew liked it because it was free...

Originally posted by FastTx

P2P games are already a minority of the market, however I believe they make the most money, at least per customer. Most pay2play games are better developed and have better quality all around than f2p games. They also attempt to have a world where everyone in the game world is equal.

 

On the other hand, f2p is another great market. It allows anyone to visit the world, but playing for free doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be fun, there will always be those players who buy from the item shop to gain an advantage over others, which is fine because thats how the pay system is based.

 

F2p games will probably never satisfy the "hardcore gamer" market, since players playing at least 20 hours a week probably are willing to spend 15 a month to play them and in general the f2p market is lacking in graphics and content compared to top of the line 15/mo games. However theres a market for both of the games to exist and I believe the f2p market will generate a bigger fanbase and when the f2p players can own their own creditcards they will move to the monthly fee mmo.

Cheers.

Chaos.

no, the community in F2P will always suck.  I.E 12 yr olds galore

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

Originally posted by Xiaoki

The reason Free to Play MMOs outnumber Monthly Fee MMOs is because the Free to Play MMOs are not good enough to warrant a monthly fee.

Archlord and most recently Sword of the New World were forced to go Free to Play because they werent good enough to be monthly fee MMOs.

The fact is pretty much all Free to Play MMOs suck and if they were good then the publisher would be charging a monthly fee.

You get what you pay for.

Just keep telling yourself that. Sword of the New World has won the presidental award for best game in Korea, its made by one of the most famous korean developers and had a budget of 56 million dollars, which leads to high production values.

 

Even big corporations like SOE are convinced that Free to play is absolutely the way to go for the future of the genre.

50 million dollars and nothing to show for it sadly Gameloading.  They spent most of that budget on making clothing as detailed as possible :P  If that game is the best Korea has to offer than I can honestly say they have absolutely no taste in gaming.

Originally posted by Airspell

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

Originally posted by Xiaoki

The reason Free to Play MMOs outnumber Monthly Fee MMOs is because the Free to Play MMOs are not good enough to warrant a monthly fee.

Archlord and most recently Sword of the New World were forced to go Free to Play because they werent good enough to be monthly fee MMOs.

The fact is pretty much all Free to Play MMOs suck and if they were good then the publisher would be charging a monthly fee.

You get what you pay for.

Just keep telling yourself that. Sword of the New World has won the presidental award for best game in Korea, its made by one of the most famous korean developers and had a budget of 56 million dollars, which leads to high production values.

 

Even big corporations like SOE are convinced that Free to play is absolutely the way to go for the future of the genre.

50 million dollars and nothing to show for it sadly Gameloading.  They spent most of that budget on making clothing as detailed as possible :P  If that game is the best Korea has to offer than I can honestly say they have absolutely no taste in gaming.

The game just focuses on the core gameplay. the only reason westernern players don't like it is because they don't get drowned in thousands of go kill xx quests or have dress up doll customization.

  Game focuses on looks , it offers absolutely nothing special in comparison to even other free to play games sorry.  The 3 player thing turned out to be simply a gimmick nothing more.  All it did was offer an extra easy environment for the botters, good job.

I think the future of MMORPGs will be f2p with micro transactions.

Simply because you can sell your audience specially what they want.

Imagine selling fighters special looking (bit better than normal) swords.

Housing add ons like in UO (sims)

and so on ...

A palette of different things to different audiences you may have in your future mmorpgs.

You can sell specifically to your target audience without needing to sell them a new box and psychologically it is simpler to sell people things for a few bucks a week than charging them $15 a month sort of reminding them of life (rent).

Gameloading

because they don't get drowned in thousands of go kill xx quests or have dress up doll customization

LMAO

http://barbie.everythinggirl.com/ 

Originally posted by obii

I think the future of MMORPGs will be f2p with micro transactions.

 

Simply because you can sell your audience specially what they want.

 

Imagine selling fighters special looking (bit better than normal) swords.

Housing add ons like in UO (sims)

and so on ...

A palette of different things to different audiences you may have in your future mmorpgs.

 

You can sell specifically to your target audience without needing to sell them a new box and psychologically it is simpler to sell people things for a few bucks a week than charging them $15 a month sort of reminding them of life (rent).

wheres the fun in that?

Just my opinion though...

Companies are in for the cash providing the players with fun.

Remember you will not get the hardcore mmorpg player, as that base is not so large.

You want the millions of casuals that are in for a few months maybe and milk them.

I see the f2p model working in the future, when people are more accepting of the model... I think people will be more accepting of micro-transaction for customization or anything somewhat relating to that (and the crazy people, who feels like they must have access to everything, will buy all of those content packs...).

Listen to this http://lamp.edu.au/podcast/luke_livingthestory.mp3

"60 million Koreans spend more than 300 million Americans"

"Average micro-transaction gamer spends $90 a month"

Edit: Although the subscription fee makes a better community overall, in several ways... Everyone pays in the subscription model, but not everyone pays in the free model, therefore the ones who pay will generally act better because they don't want to lose their account; in addition, the ones who pay are generally more committed ( in other words, you probably won't get the guy who plays 1 hour and stops playing for the month); therefore it's easier to get friends who are more likely able to play a sufficient amount of time with you...etc...

Originally posted by LackeyZero

I see the f2p model working in the future, when people are more accepting of the model... I think people will be more accepting of micro-transaction for customization or anything somewhat relating to that (and the crazy people, who feels like they must have access to everything, will buy all of those content packs...).

Listen to this http://lamp.edu.au/podcast/luke_livingthestory.mp3

"60 million Koreans spend more than 300 million Americans"

"Average micro-transaction gamer spends $90 a month"

Edit: Although the subscription fee makes a better community overall, in several ways... Everyone pays in the subscription model, but not everyone pays in the free model, therefore the ones who pay will generally act better because they don't want to lose their account; in addition, the ones who pay are generally more committed ( in other words, you probably won't get the guy who plays 1 hour and stops playing for the month); therefore it's easier to get friends who are more likely able to play a sufficient amount of time with you...etc...

Gamers have already accepted the model and have embraced it.

http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ 

Originally posted by Torak

 

Originally posted by LackeyZero

I see the f2p model working in the future, when people are more accepting of the model... I think people will be more accepting of micro-transaction for customization or anything somewhat relating to that (and the crazy people, who feels like they must have access to everything, will buy all of those content packs...).

Listen to this http://lamp.edu.au/podcast/luke_livingthestory.mp3

"60 million Koreans spend more than 300 million Americans"

"Average micro-transaction gamer spends $90 a month"

Edit: Although the subscription fee makes a better community overall, in several ways... Everyone pays in the subscription model, but not everyone pays in the free model, therefore the ones who pay will generally act better because they don't want to lose their account; in addition, the ones who pay are generally more committed ( in other words, you probably won't get the guy who plays 1 hour and stops playing for the month); therefore it's easier to get friends who are more likely able to play a sufficient amount of time with you...etc...

Just one thing to ammend your statement "when people are more accepting of the model"

 

Gamers have already accepted the model and have embraced it.

http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ 

 

Nah, they haven't. Maybe YOU. But I don't think you speak for me, thanks.

Originally posted by Airspell

  Game focuses on looks , it offers absolutely nothing special in comparison to even other free to play games sorry.  The 3 player thing turned out to be simply a gimmick nothing more.  All it did was offer an extra easy environment for the botters, good job.

Saying its a gimmick is like saying Auto Assaults Driving aspect is a gimmick, its like saying EVE's space theme is a gimmick. The whole game is build around that concept.

Originally posted by Aguitha

We see more and more mmorpg being released as free 2 play.  ...

I believe there is not a single free-to-play mmoRPg on the market, at least I have never encountered roleplaying in any free-to-play game. There are, however, gazillions of free-to-play mmoG&Ggs on the market. Or so it seems to me, seeing that these games obviously all follow the concept that Ganking & Grinding is all a game ever needs. :)

Of course there is always Neverwinter Nights that has plenty of roleplaying and doesn´t have a monthly fee, but then NWN is only multiplayer and not massive multiplayer. Here´s me hoping that Bioware will make a good MMORPG and that it will be pay-to-play.

Originally posted by Larsa

 

Originally posted by Aguitha

We see more and more mmorpg being released as free 2 play.  ...

I believe there is not a single free-to-play mmoRPg on the market, at least I have never encountered roleplaying in any free-to-play game. There are, however, gazillions of free-to-play mmoG&Ggs on the market. Or so it seems to me, seeing that these games obviously all follow the concept that Ganking & Grinding is all a game ever needs. :)

 

Of course there is always Neverwinter Nights that has plenty of roleplaying and doesn´t have a monthly fee, but then NWN is only multiplayer and not massive multiplayer. Here´s me hoping that Bioware will make a good MMORPG and that it will be pay-to-play.

When talking about MMORPG's as a genre, the "RP" in MMORPG has nothing to do with people talking in character.

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

 

Originally posted by Torak

 

Originally posted by LackeyZero

I see the f2p model working in the future, when people are more accepting of the model... I think people will be more accepting of micro-transaction for customization or anything somewhat relating to that (and the crazy people, who feels like they must have access to everything, will buy all of those content packs...).

Listen to this http://lamp.edu.au/podcast/luke_livingthestory.mp3

"60 million Koreans spend more than 300 million Americans"

"Average micro-transaction gamer spends $90 a month"

Edit: Although the subscription fee makes a better community overall, in several ways... Everyone pays in the subscription model, but not everyone pays in the free model, therefore the ones who pay will generally act better because they don't want to lose their account; in addition, the ones who pay are generally more committed ( in other words, you probably won't get the guy who plays 1 hour and stops playing for the month); therefore it's easier to get friends who are more likely able to play a sufficient amount of time with you...etc...

Just one thing to ammend your statement "when people are more accepting of the model"

 

Gamers have already accepted the model and have embraced it.

http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ 

 

 

Nah, they haven't. Maybe YOU. But I don't think you speak for me, thanks.

What do "I" have to do with it? Read the link Dr Gaming, the numbers support my opinion...you support your own. I speak for no one, least of all an anonomus forum name, I don't get paid to spew the crap I write.  

How can a game be considered F2P if you end up spending more per month than a P2P game?