Gotta love that MMORPG.COM readership.....

Pretty much all of the complaints above fall in to one of the following "read between the lines categories:

1. "I am burned out on this game and need to discourage myself from playing it without joy by expressing my hatred for it."

2. "I am burned out on this game but am compulsive and must show my hatred for it to avoid falling back in to playing."

3. "I love another game and anything tied in to a more successful franchise scares me so I must attack it."

4. "I spent nine million hours getting my 60 level epic gear and when the new expansion added ten levels of content it showed me what a putz I was for wasting all that time in the first place and so I must hate it."

5. "I have a real life/real job havne't got the time to play and to avoid feeling bad I will express my hate for it."

6. "I like to express my rage through games by pvping till the cows come home and games like this get too touchy feely for me so I must vent my rage by calling it carebearish."

And then there's my own contribution...

"I get so frickin' bored with the grinding and high end crap that it drives me nuts that the new game doesn't cater to the players who prefer the low end questing from 1-60 and so must hate it."

Actually I am looking forward to it, it sounds both cool and horrifically messy all at the same time....

To all above: Joke! Joke! But sriously, we all need to relax. It's just another game, albeit an enormously successful and dangerously addictvie one.

Lol, as someone who is NOT playing WOW (tried it but didnt appeal me) I am surprised people already bash an expansion which isnt even out yet. Or WOW players complaining they raise the level cap. OMG! You are not on the top of the ladder! Cry me a river. Geez, thats the way MMOs work! They bring expansions and eventually raise the level cap from time to time. And just so as a sidenote: you can hardly level faster in any MMO than WOW, so I really dont understand your complains. It gives you a new goal and all you do is complain? Meh, if finally Blizzard would NOT toss levels for free to their players, now THAT would be a day to rejoice. But when its just "moar ov ze zaim" I dont see why any current WOW player should not like it. Blizzard will quite unlikely make real changes or surprises. And why should they. They milk this craptastic game wonderfully.

Well unlike some people here, i like the looks and features of the new exspansion. Like someone said before, lvl cap raising and new exspansions are the ways of mmo's.
I am one of the few who accually dont raid, cant bring up the intrests for it, and i really like the idea of lvling my warlock to lvl 80. I am in a awsome guild, and we help each other out when possible, and if you want to raid you can, and vice versa.

We as a guild are really looking forward to discovering new area's and getting new mount, WoW was good and with the tBC and WotLK we cant wait to explore and conquer this new land.

What about the "New Dances and Hairstyles" that was one of the highlights in the trailer.  That's surely important. :p

I think this expansion will be the beginning of the end.  Not the end of WoW.  But the end meaning that the subs will start declining.

Not that it'll be a bad thing.  I mean the game has peaked.  It's now pushing 3 years and all MMOs (except a select few) generally decline after that.  And with this expansion raising the level cap again, and being more of the same (aside from the hero class) I think it's going to start the gradual decline of popularity.

I'd much rather they create a regular new class that everyone can play without the ridiculous balance issue that'll come up.  The entire hero classes idea was a bad one from the get go.

I'm no longer impressed, I closed 2 accounts, I'm very tired of the end game thats just based on grinding for Honor and gear .. its the worst endgame for any MMO I have played. Ill go back to EQ2 and wait for conan or another game to come out.

The two major bullets to the announcement that really stand out are the Death Knights and Siege Weapons. The new zones, items, dungeons, and monsters (How many renamed and re-colored Murlocs must we deal with) are nice additions but, to be honest, those are to be expected in patches as well as

Im a bit upset about this statement... seen any murlocs in BC?

One of the positive thinks on WOW and Blizzard is that they create some own kind of Monsters... In the old WOW, in BC and surely there will be new kind of Enemys in LICH KING!

I found it always some more creative than just a "Tolkien Copy"-Design.

ROLF...

Most of the posters sound like those beaten wives...you keep complaining and nagging but in the end you always find your way home

You`ve completed all the stages of fucked up marriage...Mystification/adaptation/disillusion/seperation

Originally posted by Winterman

Will use a rune resource System!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!

How Rediculous i mean has anyone ever heard of the game runescape?? well in RUNEscape they have these tablets called RUNES that are used to do spells and now BLIZZARD! is going to make a rune resource system wow, omg , wow but i mean MMOs' have been coping other mmo games ideas from the beging because they can no longer decide on what should belong in THEIR game.

What else is new, from copying Warhammer, Runescape is next.  And oh i forgot something, the in-game voice chat, they copied DDO.  for Pete's sake.

I'm hoping the next thing Blizzard will copy is Vanguard, no make it DnL.

Originally posted by darkjoy

 

One of the positive thinks on WOW and Blizzard is that they create some own kind of Monsters... In the old WOW, in BC and surely there will be new kind of Enemys in LICH KING!

I found it always some more creative than just a "Tolkien Copy"-Design.

The whole Warcraft universe is a rip off of Warhammer man

Some of these complaints are deserved.. however some are just.. pathetic.. to the fool who said Blizzard ripped off DDO by implementing VOIP, think before you make such a ridiculous statement. So DDO developed that sort of technology did it? No. You could say they stole off games like Battlefield 2 or Counter Strike Source? Did they? No.

It's just one of the various technical utilities that have become available, and because Blizzard does something smart and implements it, they are ripping off another company?

Yea. Right.

I would buy this expansion if they didn't raise the level cap. The grinding is one of the only things that keep people going in this game, by adding more levels and pathetically long quest chains to unlock new content Blizzard is achieving their goal. Keeping people playing. It isn't Blizzard's fault that you had to run Kara a gazillion times to get that one piece of gear, it is simply your own. You decided you wanted it and decided you would stop at nothing to get it, not Blizzard.

However that said, the way the game is structured almost forces you to have the best gear to compete with others, which is rediculously time consuming in itself. When I play a game I do it for fun, not to slave or work away for something that will not and will never benefit me off the monitor.

The game still has a lot of potential, Blizzard just seems to refuse to tap into that, adding more levels is forcing players to go through a process many find repetitive as hell. I would love to see a more solid way to level up via PvP in the game, and why not some quests to earn bonus talent points? Introduce some more world campaigns in which players can participate for gear?

Also, many MMO's release massive upgrades to their game worlds every few months, the most Blizzard does is add a new instance that a small percentage of subscribers will see, we see balance issues crop up all the time, and yet it is slowly becoming worse in this aspect.

World of Warcraft was a great game and to many still is, but I just feel in the 3 years I have played the game Blizzard has slowly been nailing it's coffin shut with a lack of community communication and continued desire to stick to narrow minded content that neither benefits themselves or the community.

EDIT: I saw a post a while ago talking about risk, reward, and so on somewhere on these boards, and it said WoW only implements one of these, which is reward. When you offer players only one such thing to play for, in Warcraft's choice, reward, many people have little incentive to play for nothing other than that, and there is a lack of fun factor (although, many enjoy that kind of competition..) Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.

The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?

/end rant.

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Originally posted by Flodgy
Some of these complaints are deserved.. however some are just.. pathetic.. to the fool who said Blizzard ripped off DDO by implementing VOIP, think before you make such a ridiculous statement. So DDO developed that sort of technology did it? No. You could say they stole off games like Battlefield 2 or Counter Strike Source? Did they? No.
It's just one of the various technical utilities that have become available, and because Blizzard does something smart and implements it, they are ripping off another company?
Yea. Right.
I would buy this expansion if they didn't raise the level cap. The grinding is one of the only things that keep people going in this game, by adding more levels and pathetically long quest chains to unlock new content Blizzard is achieving their goal. Keeping people playing. It isn't Blizzard's fault that you had to run Kara a gazillion times to get that one piece of gear, it is simply your own. You decided you wanted it and decided you would stop at nothing to get it, not Blizzard.
However that said, the way the game is structured almost forces you to have the best gear to compete with others, which is rediculously time consuming in itself. When I play a game I do it for fun, not to slave or work away for something that will not and will never benefit me off the monitor.
The game still has a lot of potential, Blizzard just seems to refuse to tap into that, adding more levels is forcing players to go through a process many find repetitive as hell. I would love to see a more solid way to level up via PvP in the game, and why not some quests to earn bonus talent points? Introduce some more world campaigns in which players can participate for gear?
Also, many MMO's release massive upgrades to their game worlds every few months, the most Blizzard does is add a new instance that a small percentage of subscribers will see, we see balance issues crop up all the time, and yet it is slowly becoming worse in this aspect.
World of Warcraft was a great game and to many still is, but I just feel in the 3 years I have played the game Blizzard has slowly been nailing it's coffin shut with a lack of community communication and continued desire to stick to narrow minded content that neither benefits themselves or the community.
EDIT: I saw a post a while ago talking about risk, reward, and so on somewhere on these boards, and it said WoW only implements one of these, which is reward. When you offer players only one such thing to play for, in Warcraft's choice, reward, many people have little incentive to play for nothing other than that, and there is a lack of fun factor (although, many enjoy that kind of competition..) Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.
The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?
/end rant.

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seriously? What people are talking about is the INTEGRATED voice chat, which was done by turbine for DDO first. Honestly though, I'd rather use vent than integrated voice chat.

And old days of alterac valley? bleh. The only fun I had in WoW pvp was open world pvp at tauren mills before the bg's ruined it.(and the crappy honor system)

Originally posted by Flodgy

 Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.

The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?

/end rant.

 

 That was good old days indeed(Zenedar) when  PvP really meant something.I remember once we battled for almost 9 hours,I played for 3 hours then took some rest for 4 hours and when I logged in the next day the battle was still on. Tired players were leaving and fresh one joined in on both side.

Originally posted by daelnor

 

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Originally posted by Flodgy
Some of these complaints are deserved.. however some are just.. pathetic.. to the fool who said Blizzard ripped off DDO by implementing VOIP, think before you make such a ridiculous statement. So DDO developed that sort of technology did it? No. You could say they stole off games like Battlefield 2 or Counter Strike Source? Did they? No.
It's just one of the various technical utilities that have become available, and because Blizzard does something smart and implements it, they are ripping off another company?
Yea. Right.
I would buy this expansion if they didn't raise the level cap. The grinding is one of the only things that keep people going in this game, by adding more levels and pathetically long quest chains to unlock new content Blizzard is achieving their goal. Keeping people playing. It isn't Blizzard's fault that you had to run Kara a gazillion times to get that one piece of gear, it is simply your own. You decided you wanted it and decided you would stop at nothing to get it, not Blizzard.
However that said, the way the game is structured almost forces you to have the best gear to compete with others, which is rediculously time consuming in itself. When I play a game I do it for fun, not to slave or work away for something that will not and will never benefit me off the monitor.
The game still has a lot of potential, Blizzard just seems to refuse to tap into that, adding more levels is forcing players to go through a process many find repetitive as hell. I would love to see a more solid way to level up via PvP in the game, and why not some quests to earn bonus talent points? Introduce some more world campaigns in which players can participate for gear?
Also, many MMO's release massive upgrades to their game worlds every few months, the most Blizzard does is add a new instance that a small percentage of subscribers will see, we see balance issues crop up all the time, and yet it is slowly becoming worse in this aspect.
World of Warcraft was a great game and to many still is, but I just feel in the 3 years I have played the game Blizzard has slowly been nailing it's coffin shut with a lack of community communication and continued desire to stick to narrow minded content that neither benefits themselves or the community.
EDIT: I saw a post a while ago talking about risk, reward, and so on somewhere on these boards, and it said WoW only implements one of these, which is reward. When you offer players only one such thing to play for, in Warcraft's choice, reward, many people have little incentive to play for nothing other than that, and there is a lack of fun factor (although, many enjoy that kind of competition..) Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.
The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?
/end rant.

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seriously? What people are talking about is the INTEGRATED voice chat, which was done by turbine for DDO first. Honestly though, I'd rather use vent than integrated voice chat.

And old days of alterac valley? bleh. The only fun I had in WoW pvp was open world pvp at tauren mills before the bg's ruined it.(and the crappy honor system)

If you'd rather use Vent, good for you, that's your preference, this is Blizzards attempt at making things more compatible and integrated with their game.

Open world PvP was a blast too, and AV was the closest thing we ever had to a proper quest based PvP scenario, and back then it did a pretty good job, but as said. My opinion, and I know for a fact many others share it, just like many share yours.

Overall the Battlegrounds were a disaster with the new honour system, but hell, the damage has been done eh?

How is this an opinion article? It's an "these are the announced features" article. I saw very little opinion.

Blizzard has really jumped the shark on this one...... Meanwhile SOE  continues to refine Everquest 2,  and the population continues to grow. Will it ever have 9 million? Nope  but as we can see quantity doesn’t mean quality.

Originally posted by martinj63

Blizzard has really jumped the shark on this one...... Meanwhile SOE  continues to refine Everquest 2,  and the population continues to grow. Will it ever have 9 million? Nope  but as we can see quantity doesn’t mean quality.

Sigh.

Too many people, unexperienced people keep complaining about World of Warcraft being some cheap poor quality game. First of all i'll just say this in reply to martin's post, Blizzard are well known for polishing off their games and that's what makes them the best quality. If you wish to sit here and say SOE can do better then may I direct your attention to SWG and EQ1. Expansion after expansion, aswell as revamps that changed the whole game. That's not polishing is it ? no, it's not.

To the actual topic at hand, I think new expansions are always great as long as the current game is good enough for players to enjoy (no bugs, no exploits, etc). The only reason people are complaining is because they went and completed all the content as fast as they could, rather then enjoying it and thanking blizzard for a wonderful game they've made and kept updated until now.

Let's hope they attempt to have more focus on activties that don't get you items, things that people do for FUN without the reward. This could happen in PvP and maybe for PvE if their designers are smart and know how things work (which I think most are). Implementing siege was a good and bad idea. Yes, it is new content that will keep the PvPers happy but if it isn't designed correctly (ie, outdoors or indoors, timers on using them, overpowered.) they could be digging a hole for PvP.

My 2cents, not urs.

btw at the comment "Blizzard announces World of Warcraft expansion. Chinese gold farmers rejoice. (Let's face it higher levels mean more gold, Burning Crusade proved that)." . We all know quantity doesn't mean everything, it's the demand and time spent getting it which counts. There's no need to be rude.. anywhere.

I immediately stopped playing WoW and cancelled the subscription upon hearing about this expansion. I wasn't impressed at all by The Burning Crusade, and the changes it had brought to all the classes. I played on the Europe servers, and felt the increased level cap had hurt PVP, as it seperated players between those who owned the expansion, and those who did not. This expansion with it's level cap of 80 is a bad idea.

Dark Age of Camelot had a much better approach for bringing new content to high level characters, instead of increasing the level cap and thus seperating players in the PVP field, it introduced champion levels, those who were level 50 and had no champion levels, and those who were level 50 and were champion level 10 could still face one another in RVR. Champion levels did not unbalance the game in anyway, as the abilities gained from each champion level were not as potent as the abilties from the classes.

at least he is honest.  they need more articles like that.

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Hahahahaha, the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the ex-WoW players...  hahahaha

Over generalizing much are we?