Originally posted by ImixZinz

As it is right now on Destruction side, only 2 out of the 8 revealed classes can be female, while Order has 8 out of 8 for both sex's. Anyone can see the potential for mass female population imbalance in favor of Order since there will be so many more classes to play, this can only mean 1 thing.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Orders gunna lose sooooo bad.

 

 

 The best warrior I knew in WoW (both pvp and pve) was a girl...

Originally posted by jor8888

I can careless about the male or female only classes but any game that sticks too much to the IP will suck big time; example: LOTR and SWG.  Sometime u just have to bend the rules to make things work.

 

You pretty much nailed it. Granted when you bend it a little too much till the point that you start killing heroes left and right *coughWoWcough* it does get shitty, flexibility is required to make the game appealing. Oh and spare me the comments on how making a game appealing is "selling out to the lowest common denominator". As much as I hate Blizzard, their decision to allow female druids was one of their best for WoW.

Also, ITT, sexist comments, gender stereotypes, generalization of WoW players and myopic views. For shame in this day and age.

Originally posted by AzureSkies

 

Originally posted by jor8888

I can careless about the male or female only classes but any game that sticks too much to the IP will suck big time; example: LOTR and SWG.  Sometime u just have to bend the rules to make things work.

 

 

You pretty much nailed it. Granted when you bend it a little too much till the point that you start killing heroes left and right *coughWoWcough* it does get shitty, flexibility is required to make the game appealing. Oh and spare me the comments on how making a game appealing is "selling out to the lowest common denominator". As much as I hate Blizzard, their decision to allow female druids was one of their best for WoW.

 

Also, ITT, sexist comments, gender stereotypes, generalization of WoW players and myopic views. For shame in this day and age.

       1. Chaos Zealots are not an original class/army to the IP. Correct?

       2. I don't recall seeing any creature handlers, bio-engineers, beast master, teras kasi, types in the SWG movies. Unless you meant post-NGE. (or am I missing your point)

Oh yea and what is ITT? Its not coming to me.

Depending on how nerdy you are to the IP, changing the IP to fit in gaps for gameplay is a fine line.

I am very happy that only some classes can be male.  That's just how the tabletop game is.  I'm not saying that the MMO and tabletop should be exactly equal, but I am very happy GW is keeping an eye on things.  An important part to games, for me, is the story.  There is really no need to go an rewrite the Warhammer story, just use the 20+ years of material. 

I would call a foul if there was female orcs; it wouldn't even make sense to me.  I also hope if they add some races, that the characters that can only be female, cannot be made male in the MMO.

I like the GW fluff, and have been involved with their world since 1985.  I hope EA-Mythic just uses the world and only makes small changes keeping the true spirit of the world in place.

<edit: fixed some spelling errors and completed a thought> 

Originally posted by fansede

 

What would they lose by holding true to the Warhammer world by keeping Dwarves, Priests of Sigmar, Marauders and Chosen male only?

I don't know the answer to this but it does highlight something that makes the decision somewhat confusing.    Mythic has decided to hold true to the lore for some cases and bend it others.   

Now I'll be the first one to agree that the lore needs to bend to fit the game, first and foremost, but once the lore is bent (and people had no problems with female dwarfs when they were announced) why go to the trouble of 'un-bending' the lore and being inflexible about it in a nearly identical circumstance?

Personally I think more choices will always make players happier.  Female dwarfs?  Go for it, it means more variety.  Female Marauders?  Same thing.  

Perhaps Mythic made the choice for two male-only Chaos classes to counter two future female-only classes with the Dark Elves?  But one could then argue that the Black Orcs and Choppas are much more masculine in appearance (yes, I know they're just bloodthirsty mushrooms) and that would provide two male-like classes without any possible gender choice.  I don't think there was any need to extend the restrictions to Chaos. 

Originally posted by Impyriel

 

Okay just to make something perfectly clear firsthand - I am by no means a historian or know the lore behind SWG or Warhammer.

 

       1. Chaos Zealots are not an original class/army to the IP. Correct?

For the record many people that like male only chosen and marauders also hate the fact that they allowed female dwarf and sigmar priests.

To the post about the best tank they knew in WoW was female... that is great... no reason a female player cannot play a male character... we certainly know it works in reverse.

Originally posted by atziluth

 

Originally posted by Impyriel

 

Okay just to make something perfectly clear firsthand - I am by no means a historian or know the lore behind SWG or Warhammer.

 

       1. Chaos Zealots are not an original class/army to the IP. Correct?

I believe the zealot class is loosely based of of 40K chaos fanatics, It appears that way anyways. I think they should have went with a beastmen class. Give chaos 2 DPS classes in exchange for no healer class. Chaos has always been about getting in your face and beating you down. I cannot picture anyone on the chaos side healing troops... It is a survival of the fittest mentality... death culls the weak and healing does not fit in to the IP very well.

 

 

Chaos Cultists are great in 40k, at least in the Dawn of War rts. - somehow I missed that correlation to Zealots though . 

Ima nub!

Originally posted by Impyriel

 

 

Chaos Cultists are great in 40k, at least in the Dawn of War rts. - somehow I missed that correlation to Zealots though . 

Ima nub! 

Dwarves - no females heavy on melee with higher resistances to magic and physical attacks.

Orks - pretty on par with IP and fine as they are.

Chaos - Heavy armor, beastmen, no healing, high dmg. Remove zealots.

Empire - no female priests! Otherwise fine as they are.

Elves - high magic, moderate armor/dmg... good archers.

Dark Elves - No male magic users. Light armor, fast moving, high dmg.

Harder to balance... but I think the archtype method takes away from the flavor of WAR.

Well Destruction has one race that doesn't HAVE females. Or males either, technically. So that's not a fair comparison.

My personal take on the lack of female races is somewhat meh. If they open up a class to females to make there be more female characters running around, it's OK as long as they can find justification for it in the lore. From what I've read in this and other posts there is a precedence in most of these cases, though it is sketchy.

As far as the lack of female characters (or male either) of a specific class due to lore, I'm OK with that. My understanding of some of the Chaos classes is that they did allow female members, so the lack therof seems less a lore issue and more something else.

Originally posted by terrant

My personal take on the lack of female races is somewhat meh. If they open up a class to females to make there be more female characters running around, it's OK as long as they can find justification for it in the lore. From what I've read in this and other posts there is a precedence in most of these cases, though it is sketchy.

As far as the lack of female characters (or male either) of a specific class due to lore, I'm OK with that. My understanding of some of the Chaos classes is that they did allow female members, so the lack therof seems less a lore issue and more something else.

Let's be honest here: how many people that are going to play are going to care about the lore? Only a minority of players give a hoot about lore in an MMO. I always thought gender restricted classes were lame...make it equal please, there's enough gender inequality in real life let's not put it in an MMO. Doubt they will change it for the sake of tradition, but anyway.

Originally posted by M1sf1t

 

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Originally posted by Elgareth

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Originally posted by ImixZinz

 

As it is right now on Destruction side, only 2 out of the 8 revealed classes can be female, while Order has 8 out of 8 for both sex's. Anyone can see the potential for mass female population imbalance in favor of Order since there will be so many more classes to play, this can only mean 1 thing.....

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Since Dark Elves are highly matriachistic, we should expect 2 or even 3 FEMALE only Dark Elves.
Besides of that, Mythic can't really do something against it, Orcs/Goblins are asexual, so they can't be male or female, they're simply Greenskins.
Chaos is heavily male-based, the Chosen is a huge mass of muscle, bone and metal, there only existed a handful of female chosen in novels, and I think none in the official ArmyBook at all. Besides of that, Females naturally don't build as much muscles as men, they're either slim, or fat, but not muscular unless they train heavily, so either they created half-ogre-like Females, huge butt-ugly masses of slightly female appearance, or they created the typical and stupid slim female who somehow is just as strong as the male who is 3 feet taller and has arms thrice the width of those of the female, OR they leave out females, and stay true to the army books.
With Marauders, well I dunno, but in the End everything is GWs decision, ONLY if GW (Games Workshop, the creators of the Warhammer IP) approves what Mythic hands to them, it can be implemented.

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I love how you people try to rationilze fantasy that is clearly made up.

Also does it not occur to you that Chaos being a corrupting force would also mutate and corrupt women just as much as it would men. Jesus you people sure think you have a grasp on the lore but really you don't.

Originally posted by mcharj11

 

Originally posted by Kshahdoo

Originally posted by ImixZinz

As it is right now on Destruction side, only 2 out of the 8 revealed classes can be female, while Order has 8 out of 8 for both sex's. Anyone can see the potential for mass female population imbalance in favor of Order since there will be so many more classes to play, this can only mean 1 thing.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Orders gunna lose sooooo bad.

 

 

 The best warrior I knew in WoW (both pvp and pve) was a girl...

WoW requires no skill so your point is.......

 

The most impressive feat i have heard of for a female gamer is the girl (forget the name) winning the Quake championship. But even that is  not common.

Basicly What I just got from this is:

Women no good at computer......

grow up...

Originally posted by ImixZinz

As it is right now on Destruction side, only 2 out of the 8 revealed classes can be female, while Order has 8 out of 8 for both sex's. Anyone can see the potential for mass female population imbalance in favor of Order since there will be so many more classes to play, this can only mean 1 thing.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Orders gunna lose sooooo bad.

 

But does it make you women feel butch to be playing a male char or something?  becuase most of the female chars on MMO's are just weird guys looking to get free stuff from some idiot.

http://www.secretlivesofmobs.com/istrip_files/strips/20070730.jpg

dont u think that if devs made those classes male only, there could be some reason?? dunno why u make so much noise for this...

Originally posted by atziluth

 

Originally posted by Impyriel

 

Okay just to make something perfectly clear firsthand - I am by no means a historian or know the lore behind SWG or Warhammer.

 

       1. Chaos Zealots are not an original class/army to the IP. Correct?

I believe the zealot class is loosely based of of 40K chaos fanatics, It appears that way anyways. I think they should have went with a beastmen class. Give chaos 2 DPS classes in exchange for no healer class. Chaos has always been about getting in your face and beating you down. I cannot picture anyone on the chaos side healing troops... It is a survival of the fittest mentality... death culls the weak and healing does not fit in to the IP very well.

I think Mordheim Zealots are abit closer? But ye I agree a chaos healer seems abit off

This shit is getting really old... Everyone who want to have female greenskins/chaos say exacty why do you want them. But take in account a few facts:

1. They wont fit the lore. (and GW do care more about their universe than Mythic's MMORPG)

2. They'll be freaking ugly. (no big tits for ya)

3. They wont be femine in any way.

4. Reasonable answers please, not just stuff like "I want females coz I just want to".

p.s. answering this, you might find an anwer for yourself...

Originally posted by mcharj11

 

I will discredit anyone claiming they or someone they know is good at a game because they can play WoW. To do well in WoW PvP and PvE you just need decent gear.

I have to say in the absolute top of arena teams... there is abit of 'skill' involved be it reflexes or whatever.... everyone in the absolute top has the same gear so its not all gear, but ye games like CS is more skill for sure

Originally posted by ormstunga

Originally posted by mcharj11

 

I will discredit anyone claiming they or someone they know is good at a game because they can play WoW. To do well in WoW PvP and PvE you just need decent gear.

I have to say in the absolute top of arena teams... there is abit of 'skill' involved be it reflexes or whatever.... everyone in the absolute top has the same gear so its not all gear, but ye games like CS is more skill for sure

Exactly, I pointed this out in another thread yesterday too.

When you get two people in T6 or whatever (the identical gear). The person with the better management skills, eye-hand coordination, and reflexes is going to win. That is what skill is.

Also I pointed out that in WoW Gear is more important than skill. So I sort of agree with you mcharj11. I agree to do "well" you just need gear.

To be the "Best" you need both.

that picture you posted misfit is a slaanesh warrior. the actual god of slaanesh has 2 (maybe 3?) pairs of breasts i dont recall. That very well could be a mutated MALE slaanesh warrior. All slaanesh models appear feminine.

Originally posted by ImixZinz

As it is right now on Destruction side, only 2 out of the 8 revealed classes can be female, while Order has 8 out of 8 for both sex's. Anyone can see the potential for mass female population imbalance in favor of Order since there will be so many more classes to play, this can only mean 1 thing.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Orders gunna lose sooooo bad.

 

That's really weird, though... Often times, I am reluctantly choosing females in MMORPGs because of how douchey the male models look, yet the developers are usually pretty good at making hot babes..