Originally posted by Zanetanos

 

Originally posted by moostown

Cause it's not a mmorpg.

 

If Guild Wars is on there, Hellgate London should be too.

No, I think they added GW's on before they really considered what their definition of a MMORPG was going to be, and its too much trouble to take it off at this point. Doesn't mean they have to add more games that don't fit meet the qualifiers they are currently using.

Originally posted by ikra

Did I say anything about "wtf is this all about why is hellgate not here" I am merely trying to say that IN MY BELIEF it is an mmorpg. I have no issues regarding hellgate being listed on here or not at all - all im trying to point out is that people define mmo in different ways. You dont need to bash me "oh go read the rules you stupid idiot!" because I did, and thats why im not whining about hellgate not being here.

Actually, Ikra, i must apologize. I did not really mean to quote your post when I made mine, I just wasn't paying attention very well, hitting "quote" instead of "reply".

My post was directed at this thread in general, and specifically the OP, who was questioning why Hellgate wasn't added here.

And I would say that the requirements listed here, are for the most part what I would describe as valid, although I would say anything supporting over 200 people on the same server in any zone/area would qualify as "massive", rather than the site's 500.

And this is just my opinon, as it is how I define an mmo. As you say, we all have different opinions and ideas regarding that subject

Again, I apologize for making you think I was attacking you. I've also removed your quote from my earlier post, to clear it up.

 Now, please forgive me. As i am already being punished enough having to admit my careless error, as it shows I am human, and not the perfect specimen of forum posting extrordinaire I would have myself, and everyone else, to believe.

It is not really a MMO, more like a diablo clone.  You don't see a diablo section do you?

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by ikra

Did I say anything about "wtf is this all about why is hellgate not here" I am merely trying to say that IN MY BELIEF it is an mmorpg. I have no issues regarding hellgate being listed on here or not at all - all im trying to point out is that people define mmo in different ways. You dont need to bash me "oh go read the rules you stupid idiot!" because I did, and thats why im not whining about hellgate not being here.

Actually, Ikra, i must apologize. I did not really mean to quote your post when I made mine, I just wasn't paying attention very well, hitting "quote" instead of "reply".

My post was directed at this thread in general, and specifically the OP, who was questioning why Hellgate wasn't added here.

And I would say that the requirements listed here, are for the most part what I would describe as valid, although I would say anything supporting over 200 people on the same server in any zone/area would qualify as "massive", rather than the site's 500.

And this is just my opinon, as it is how I define an mmo. As you say, we all have different opinions and ideas regarding that subject

Again, I apologize for making you think I was attacking you. I've also removed your quote from my earlier post, to clear it up.

 Now, please forgive me. As i am already being punished enough having to admit my careless error, as it shows I am human, and not the perfect specimen of forum posting extrordinaire I would have myself, and everyone else, to believe.

 ic ic my apologies too for retaliating too fast

It has MMO ELEMENTS, but it's probably not being marketed as one as well.

Originally posted by moostown

 

Originally posted by Chieftan

 

Originally posted by Fion

 

Originally posted by delta9

wrong - hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (players choice) mmo with a offline feature too!

this site could do with a hellgate section as its going to be massive

 

wrong - Hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (player choise) online game with an offline feature too!

 

Even when online the most people in a hub with you at one time is around 90. This, by definition, makes it decidedly NOT 'massive.' It's an online RPG with some persistent qualities. But it's not an MMORPG.

 

I hate to mention this but you won't find a zone in Everquest right now with 90 people in it.  So I guess we can strike it off the list too.

 

In that case then the only true mmorpgs i've played with 90+ people in the same zone as me is EVE Online with 1200 people in the same zone as me and WOW in TBC areas.

I feel sad 4 u

Originally posted by Ozmodan

It is not really a MMO, more like a diablo clone.  You don't see a diablo section do you?

I think they should either set up an area for these type online games or remove those two games and probably a half dozen or so other games that are listed here that are not true MMORPG.

I'd classify Hellgate:London as a FPSRPG. The first of its kind. It's going to have a single player aspect to the game. It will also have a paid subscription model with constantly upgraded content. HL does have a similarity to GW in that there will be meeting points where you can find others to quest with. In any case I know I'm purchasing this game at launch whether it's considered an MMO or not.

As far as a Diablo II clone. I'm sure there are going to be Diablo II aspects of the game since the top developers of HL were the top developers of Diablo II.

BTW I think HL will be the top selling pc game over Christmas by a long shot (if not the top selling video game over all platforms).

Originally posted by ikra

Did I say anything about "wtf is this all about why is hellgate not here" I am merely trying to say that IN MY BELIEF it is an mmorpg. I have no issues regarding hellgate being listed on here or not at all - all im trying to point out is that people define mmo in different ways. You dont need to bash me "oh go read the rules you stupid idiot!" because I did, and thats why im not whining about hellgate not being here.

Youre treating it as if these rules are by an all knowing almighty person from some kind of society who sets all the rules and has to be followed by the gaming market. In fact it was companies who started saying our game is massive... are there specific sets of guidelines like standards that are implemented and are effective around the world? No. In fact it is very vauge and please dont point me on to a wikipedia article. Its vague as shit...

large number of players... what is it that defines large? 50?100?

persistent world... what does that actually mean??? constant, continuing, durable, enduring, eternal, everlasting, fast, indestructible, lasting, permanent, persistent, persisting, steadfast, steady, unchanging..

Until we get a proper organisation that sets all the regulations for on line games and categorize it properly in a very tedious and technical manner, then the term mmo is open for interpretation and anyone who forces down their ideas as if it is  set should be slapped in the face.

In the end we are all here for our own opinionated views and I am fully open to whatever criticism

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Originally posted by Zorvan
Hell, I bet you would argue Halo and Counterstrike are mmo too, huh?

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I've been saying "yes" to that for years.

Originally posted by Alekhin

I'd classify Hellgate:London as a FPSRPG. The first of its kind. It's going to have a single player aspect to the game. It will also have a paid subscription model with constantly upgraded content. HL does have a similarity to GW in that there will be meeting points where you can find others to quest with. In any case I know I'm purchasing this game at launch whether it's considered an MMO or not.

As far as a Diablo II clone. I'm sure there are going to be Diablo II aspects of the game since the top developers of HL were the top developers of Diablo II.

BTW I think HL will be the top selling pc game over Christmas by a long shot (if not the top selling video game over all platforms).

Without jumping to conclusions and downing the game, what about Hellgate makes it worth it to pay per month for the same type of gameplay Diablo 2 provided, only updated?  I would assume plot advancements..  But I don't think the single player playerbase would approve of being left with the story hanging and having to pay an extra 15 bucks to get the next piece of the plot.  What, exactly, is my 15 bucks paying for?

i quote the devs

"The Hellgate: London secure online experience is structured around shared, multi-player towns linking together randomly generated, “instanced” adventure areas, unique for a single-player or group of players. Both free players and subscribers will be playing together in groups and guilds on huge realms supporting tens of thousands of players simultaneously.
We want as many players as possible to find and group with their friends online, regardless of when or where their characters were created. Gone are the days of worrying about making sure your new character will be able to play with your old friends. Everyone gets access to our secure multi-player game servers. Players can party and trade with other players and play through the entire adventure to save London from the grip of the demons."

if not being able to instance with over 90 or what ever players = not a mmo then what is wow? a mmo from 1-69 then a online game from 70?

i understand some of the points being said - i just dont agree

from the wikipedia definition

"Massive(ly) multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) is a genre of online role-playing video games (RPGs) in which a large number of players interact with one another in a virtual world."

so hellgate ticks those boxes too

Its amazing what people dont know.

Well, Hellgate London is instanced in most areas just like Guild wars.

Towns are MMO, just like Guild Wars.

You can join guilds, Just like Guild wars.

You can quest with a party, Just like guild wars.

This game is just like guild wars in its network and how you connect and play.

If guild wars is here, then Hellgate: London belongs here as well.  Not to mention the plain and simple fact that every single other mmorpg site that lists all mmorpgs has information on Hellgate: London.

Its a no brainer.

Originally posted by Naryysys

 

Haven't looked up Hellgate that much..  But that's really disheartening if you have to pay per month to play on the online servers..  Diablo 2 had tons of servers, free as all get out.  All games also have patches, provided for free in the case of RPGs.

 

Without jumping to conclusions and downing the game, what about Hellgate makes it worth it to pay per month for the same type of gameplay Diablo 2 provided, only updated?  I would assume plot advancements..  But I don't think the single player playerbase would approve of being left with the story hanging and having to pay an extra 15 bucks to get the next piece of the plot.  What, exactly, is my 15 bucks paying for?

You will be able to play online without a monthly fee also.  I think the monthly fee will include extra stuff such as more character slots,  more storage,  monthly content updates,  with a bigger content addition ever 3 months.

The free online version will get bug fixes and such but not the added content.  This is the same as you got with D2.

I have heard the figure 10 bucks or 9.95 for the monthly fee. I assume this is for a month by month subscription, not sure if you get a discount for subscribing for longer times like most MMORPG do.

Personally I plan to get the game and play the free online version. If they offer enough and I think its worth the cost then I may add the subscription later on.

Like I said before, do you see diablo or any of it's clones here?  Nope, they are not MMO's hence this game does not belong here.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Like I said before, do you see diablo or any of it's clones here?  Nope, they are not MMO's hence this game does not belong here.

You people should know about the game you are against before you start saying it doesnt belong here.

Here are a couple comments about the game from people that make it and from reveiw preview sites.

In summary, Hellgate: London is an MMOG which combines the depth of role-playing games and the action of first-person shooter elements but I don t think one line does the game enough justice. J Hellgate has so many outstanding features that it s difficult for me to list all of them. In my opinion though, one of the key and best features of HGL is its randomized loot and instance system. Because the loot and instances are randomized, players never know what they are going to get each time they play. It s a new and exciting experience every time!

Don't be misled by the above to think that Hellgate is a simple Diablo clone. This is a 3D RPG that easily lives up to the graphical standards of the very latest FPS games, and which is an entirely new hybrid between single-player RPGs and MMORPGs.

As in a typical MMORPG, you will meet other players in the Underground, but then you will be able to embark on instanced missions. This means that your missions will be unique to you, and you won’t have the experience ruined by other players stealing XP or items.

Anyways, its not like Diablo when it comes to online, its more like Guild Wars, where as you have instanced worlds with MMO style towns.

So like I said before, if Guild Wars is here so should Hellgate London be here.

The bottom line is, well the bottom line.

HG:L will have a HUGE following, myself included, leaving it out is just bad business, had this been my site I would make up an excuse to put it here if needed.

It is not though, it is close enough to an MMO to easily fit in here, more so then many of the others allready on this site.

Its like selling that bread "margarin" they sell in the dairy section, allthough it has never been anywere near milk, why?

Because people want to buy it, and easily find it!

Or putting hot chicks into commercial for products that has surprisingly little to do with scantily clad women, why?

Because it sells!

Arguing semantics over this is a kids game, is it a bird? is it a plane? No! it is people that need to get of their ridiculously high hoursies and get with the program.

End of bloody story.

If they do not want to put it here then that is their decision, a financially bad one but it is still theirs to make.

But arguing that it does not "fit" here is idiotic at best and ignorant at worst.

Let me tell you something, it fits on this site a THOUSAND times more then gold seller ads does, but why do they have those?

Because they PAY them to!

Actually, that was the end of the bloody story.

No really, it was.

Bah..

Originally posted by delta9

wrong - hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (players choice) mmo with a offline feature too!

this site could do with a hellgate section as its going to be massive

 

 

Actually it could be looked the other way; a single player game with an online feature.

 

Plus, how many ppl can play at the same time on the internet?

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Like I said before, do you see diablo or any of it's clones here?  Nope, they are not MMO's hence this game does not belong here.

If they really want to stick to MMORPG only here then they should remove both those games from this site.