Originally posted by evil13

 It's like saying war will be waay better than aoc because it has like orcapults, which throw and orc over a castle wall like zomg!

Actually...that IS a reason, and a MAJOR one!

Nothing beats being Catapulted in a Bowl o' Stunties and wreak some havoc

Apart from that, two different styles. To me AoC sounds more "serious" to me, more like work if you want to say so. "Gotta go get some ressources to get that Fort up before Guild XY starts to raid again this evening"-sortof..., while WAR sounds more light-hearted to me, more homouristic, more like "Log in, have fun" if you want to say so. "Mhhh, do I want to smash some stuntie heads? Chase the giant Chaos Chicken? Or make a Giant drunk?"-sortof.

I like both types, but I think WAR is more for me currently, not having much time and all...

no offense, but anyone who plays an MMO for it's pvp aspect and bases it on skill is just a mentally challenged person.

no game that is based on level, class, race and armor/weapons will EVER, EVER be based on anything that resembles skill.  MMO PVP are two words that don't belong together, sure it helps a games longevity, but if a game does not have a massive PvE system that far outweighs the pvp, it will fail.

the "wow killer" everyone is looking for is not right around the corner, it's not war and it's not conan.

 Daoc failed? guild wars, also is buy to play, but pvp there is the reason to play, and it seems to do decent. More people prefer pve over pvp, but there are at least 3 pve games (eq2, wow and lotro) that already hold those who want to pve, wehre as pvp'ers have no place to go and will all flock to the first quality pvp game, regardless if it's aoc, war, aion or somethign else.

 mmos may not require the kind of skills needed to play fps, but they surely do require "something" In asure you, if you and 7 friends decide to play daoc, you will not instantly win vs other 8 man groups even if you have the perfect class set up (even after you get to rr8) It's the same way in wow, except that gear differences (which don't exist in daoc) and too spike damage happy game design often make it hard to see.

Originally posted by evil13

 "War i suppose will cater to the 5 million or so people who absolutly loved pressing the 1-9 keys over and over"

 Where as AoC of course will cater to the other 4millions or so people who absolutely loved pressing the 1-5 keys over and over. Clearly by eliminating the 4 extra keys to press the game is able to add "skills" beyond what has been possible before. Or somethign along those lines.

 I feel people who expect aoc's combat to be so dynamic it can be mistaken for an fps game will be very dispointed. Gunz online requires skills (not really an mmo though) aoc.. well, your definition for "skills" is likely different. But how is turning around so target is in the cone in front of you where melee attacks go is any different than turnign around in wow so you have your enemy in front of you?

 How is, once you turned around and faced your target, is pressign buttons 1-5 is skill? How is then pressing 1-5keys again for a combo is skill again? Oh, you need to know which combos will work best in which situations? Guess what, in wow, you too need to know which keys to press to get the best effect in a given situation.

 So, where is all thise new and revelutionary melee combat? In combat dodging? Hasn't been shown in a video yet (they did show how to do it, they just never showed an actual combat where a char dodges and avoids damage from an attack) then again, with the kind of lag aoc videos always show and npcs facing wrong direction and 2 feet away landing all their hits just fine, I doubt it's actually possible to show in-combat dodging.

 

 It doesn't matter what game you think is better. But if you are going to make a comment detailing why you think it's better, could you at least look your arguments over to make sure they actually make sense to none fanbois? It's like saying war will be waay better than aoc because it has like orcapults, which throw and orc over a castle wall like zomg!

I completely agree with you. I just don't see how pressing 1-5 keys requires more skill than pressing 1-9 keys.

Both games will be  disapointment for different reasons.War will be a colorfull atmosfere with instanced pvp and aoc will have boring gameplay (unfortunately for me cause i relied my hopes for next great mmo,guess hope dies last ).

Originally posted by kerlon44

Originally posted by evil13

 "War i suppose will cater to the 5 million or so people who absolutly loved pressing the 1-9 keys over and over"

 Where as AoC of course will cater to the other 4millions or so people who absolutely loved pressing the 1-5 keys over and over. Clearly by eliminating the 4 extra keys to press the game is able to add "skills" beyond what has been possible before. Or somethign along those lines.

 I feel people who expect aoc's combat to be so dynamic it can be mistaken for an fps game will be very dispointed. Gunz online requires skills (not really an mmo though) aoc.. well, your definition for "skills" is likely different. But how is turning around so target is in the cone in front of you where melee attacks go is any different than turnign around in wow so you have your enemy in front of you?

 How is, once you turned around and faced your target, is pressign buttons 1-5 is skill? How is then pressing 1-5keys again for a combo is skill again? Oh, you need to know which combos will work best in which situations? Guess what, in wow, you too need to know which keys to press to get the best effect in a given situation.

 So, where is all thise new and revelutionary melee combat? In combat dodging? Hasn't been shown in a video yet (they did show how to do it, they just never showed an actual combat where a char dodges and avoids damage from an attack) then again, with the kind of lag aoc videos always show and npcs facing wrong direction and 2 feet away landing all their hits just fine, I doubt it's actually possible to show in-combat dodging.

 

 It doesn't matter what game you think is better. But if you are going to make a comment detailing why you think it's better, could you at least look your arguments over to make sure they actually make sense to none fanbois? It's like saying war will be waay better than aoc because it has like orcapults, which throw and orc over a castle wall like zomg!

I completely agree with you. I just don't see how pressing 1-5 keys requires more skill than pressing 1-9 keys.

The 1-5 keys of Conan are static and will never ever change. Only the order matters.

but really that besides the point. For a game that has NO FOOTAGE WHATSOEVER showing off pvp... people seem to be awfully certain of how good AoC's pvp it will be.

Even God has released more proof of his existance 

Well look what its got to compete against... it couldnt be worse than the combat system WoW/War have in place..

 Depends :) but we'll know soon enaugh. Still, what's with people hating auto-attack? It's not like you turn auto attack and win, other player has auto attack too lol.AoC for melee, replaces auto attack with 1-5 and replaces special abilities with combos, we'll see how it works out.

i think......i really dont i just play no questions asked but would hate to be pvp outside major town or city you come out someone kills u pfft

Originally posted by siresper

Originally posted by kerlon44

Originally posted by evil13

 "War i suppose will cater to the 5 million or so people who absolutly loved pressing the 1-9 keys over and over"

 Where as AoC of course will cater to the other 4millions or so people who absolutely loved pressing the 1-5 keys over and over. Clearly by eliminating the 4 extra keys to press the game is able to add "skills" beyond what has been possible before. Or somethign along those lines.

 I feel people who expect aoc's combat to be so dynamic it can be mistaken for an fps game will be very dispointed. Gunz online requires skills (not really an mmo though) aoc.. well, your definition for "skills" is likely different. But how is turning around so target is in the cone in front of you where melee attacks go is any different than turnign around in wow so you have your enemy in front of you?

 How is, once you turned around and faced your target, is pressign buttons 1-5 is skill? How is then pressing 1-5keys again for a combo is skill again? Oh, you need to know which combos will work best in which situations? Guess what, in wow, you too need to know which keys to press to get the best effect in a given situation.

 So, where is all thise new and revelutionary melee combat? In combat dodging? Hasn't been shown in a video yet (they did show how to do it, they just never showed an actual combat where a char dodges and avoids damage from an attack) then again, with the kind of lag aoc videos always show and npcs facing wrong direction and 2 feet away landing all their hits just fine, I doubt it's actually possible to show in-combat dodging.

 

 It doesn't matter what game you think is better. But if you are going to make a comment detailing why you think it's better, could you at least look your arguments over to make sure they actually make sense to none fanbois? It's like saying war will be waay better than aoc because it has like orcapults, which throw and orc over a castle wall like zomg!

I completely agree with you. I just don't see how pressing 1-5 keys requires more skill than pressing 1-9 keys.

Not to mention.. 1-9 keys are customizable in other mmorpgs, since you typically get more than 9 skills chosen as you see fit.

The 1-5 keys of Conan are static and will never ever change. Only the order matters.

but really that besides the point. For a game that has NO FOOTAGE WHATSOEVER showing off pvp... people seem to be awfully certain of how good AoC's pvp it will be.

Even God has released more proof of his existance 

Even God has released more proof of his existance 

rofl that made me laugh so hard coffee came out the nose..and it burns

conan simply because it has a different combat system with blood and heads bein cut off. war is just a pvp wow. say what you want but you have to admit war is alot like wow. ill admit though it looks better than wow and probably will be better than wow. i just think conan offers more unique gameplay to it.

To all the WAR fans who bash AoC: Please keep up the negativity

That way the mature people won't have to deal with your childlike attitudes and we can finally have a game to call our own

Originally posted by brodboy

 

Originally posted by Dovieandi

I can already see this 'innovative' new combat system failing hard. From what it looks like, this encourages button mashing to a mroe extreme level. Everyone's going to have their one combo that's better than all their others, and so will only use that one combo. Instead of mashing F2, F4, F5, it'll be Up Up Left Right. Throw in connection issues and you have yourself a recipe for disaster.

On the other hand, the AoC staff could pull everything off wonderfully and redefine MMO combat. That's the tricky part; knowing how the game will turn out before it turns out.

I personally will be purchasing both games. But, AoC excites me way more. However, I also agree with Dovieandi.

 

Its going to end up being every time you fight something your just gonna be doing the same combo over and over.

And I think the pvp is gonna be really wierd if the two toons are just standing there doing there combo's. IMO I think

they should have implemented a dodge/parry key. That goes for the melee classes though. I think the spellcasters

will be really fun and interesting with their spellweaving. So thats what I will most likely be. But I guess ill just have

to wait and see.

Good point you two, assuming that the only difference between combo's are attack power.

However, that is not the case. Different combinations have different properties, some of them might lower defenses for a followup strike, some may work to magnify this or that attack skill, some would be almost useless directly attacking but devastating from behind, some may all but guarantee a hit but not hit as hard, etc., etc.

The point is, an effective fighter definitely will not be spamming the same combos, but rather using the ones that are most effective for the situation at hand, nor would he simply stand there.

Now, connection issues may be a problem, if anything is going to kill the combat system and thus the game it will be lag. I have a reasonable degree of trust in Funcom to keep this down as much as they can on their side, but even if they don't announce AoC to be broadband only, I pity the fool who tries to play it on dialup.

Originally posted by kerlon44

I completely agree with you. I just don't see how pressing 1-5 keys requires more skill than pressing 1-9 keys.

A.) The "1-9" keys representing normal skills/spells are still there, the 1-6 keys used in AoC's combat system are an addition, not a replacement.

B.) The skill is in the movements of your weapon, in knowing when to strike, where to strike, and what attacks should follow the one you're about to execute, along with the necessary footwork and aiming to pull it off.

Even if some combos have different effects than others still i dont see the big change from how other mmos use skills.Add the fact that you will only use 8 combos at top lvl aoc combat seems extremly restricted and you can see that from the gameplay vids as well.

Personally i was hyped about conan when i first heard about it more than a year ago but it doesnt look too good now.

3 months till release and they dont have female models in a game that has only 3 races all of them human, no pvp shown, no mounted combat shown, no more than 3 characters on screen shown, no spellweaving no sieges...it goes on and on and if you add to that the gameplay beta has not started yet something is wrong imo.In fact the first vids i saw that got me hyped about the game had more info than those that are released now so close to launch..

Id take a release date pushback with relief at this point but they seem set at october 30 i hope that the'll be ready but id doesnt seem likely.I can tell you one thing i wont pay for beta there are so many mmos coming out that i wont think twice about saying screw this if its not ready and going to another game. If the devs  didnt take the hint from vanguard its gonna be their loss not mine lol

Originally posted by Dovieandi

I can already see this 'innovative' new combat system failing hard. From what it looks like, this encourages button mashing to a mroe extreme level. Everyone's going to have their one combo that's better than all their others, and so will only use that one combo. Instead of mashing F2, F4, F5, it'll be Up Up Left Right. Throw in connection issues and you have yourself a recipe for disaster.

On the other hand, the AoC staff could pull everything off wonderfully and redefine MMO combat. That's the tricky part; knowing how the game will turn out before it turns out.

The buttons highlight to show you the paths you can take. It looks like they have 2 different paths per combo thing in the videos. Yes you can button mash but if you do you'll do considerably less damage then someone doing combos. Your worried about people memorising certain combos but people will do that with games until the end of time or they come out with virtual games and then it really is up to the person to swing the sword and dodge and all that.

In every game soon after its released every class has certain skills that it has to use and others it can't use unless there just messing around. Every class has to do this and that in all cames in order to be the best, wear this set of armor use these weapons use these skills in this order. Happens in every game its about which game can make it seem like the most fun is what people will play.

Originally posted by Snoopy20

"War i suppose will cater to the 5 million or so people who absolutly loved pressing the 1-9 keys over and over"

 

I didn't explain myself well at all. What i meant was that this is the sole form of combat for WAR.

As Aelfinn puts it.

"B.) The skill is in the movements of your weapon, in knowing when to strike, where to strike, and what attacks should follow the one you're about to execute, along with the necessary footwork and aiming to pull it off."

So the basic combat in AoC is inherently more skill based. It may use 1-6 key, but with character placement, and skill with the controls it is more skill based and therefore more engaging to many who are tired of auto-attack or just plain 1-9 combat.

I'm not saying WAR will be bad. It will be great for people waiting for WoW 2.0 and mass WoW 2.0 PvP. Yes im being childish in the name calling. But to me thats what WAR seems like. No i havn't played the game, and probably wont. Its just an oppinion based on watching all these damn dev journals for a year.

My only concern about Age of Conan is the netcode.

I play and enjoy WoW because I can still PVE/PVP with my 450-600 ping (yes, believe it). But try and play something like Ultima Online with 400 ping. Its insane.

Since WAR is all about PvP and Conan is not I dont see a reason why conan could be "better". But it definitly might be a good game. Lately I've lost much hype for conan since I think it looks very much similar to what I've played earlier. The fact that it's real time might not be that amazing for all too long I feel.

I would say none of them... and say Darkfall.

Originally posted by tralla

I would say none of them... and say Darkfall.

Kudos to that. Pray with me!