There's only one thing I have to say to posts like this in general....... LOL :D

Sorry, but I'm sick of having to explain again and again about why I don't listen to idiots who tell me what I want to think or believe happens everywhere I go, I'm starting to get sick of people who try to state their arguments or opinions as facts or try to end an argument with philosophical bullshit or smart ass one liner comments instead of just backing out the normal way, all these kind of posts I see here are just sodding egoism, that's all I see it as...

I read the OP's post, frankly I don't think that this person has done the research, it wasn't us 'SOE haters' that abandoned the community, the community abandoned the GAME it was a bloody mass exodus and I lost quite a few of my friends and people who I enjoyed roleplaying with in the process, read up on Wikipedia and other articles about SWG, they brought in the changes without barely a word and the NGE was developed in a measly seven months and SOE just said like spoilt children "We're not changing it back, it's final" consumers generally just will not swing that way.

Ginaz, necroing trash is not recycling....it is necroing trash :P

Seriously, who brought this thread back to life? 

As to the OP:

The first time I read this it is a p.o.s. that put the blame on the community/player/customers instead of SOE.  Now I read it, and it is still utter p.o.s. that is not true.

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

Wrong, SOE did abandon us, by pushing NGE to live and think they can find a mythical group of "Star Wars fans" that can replace us.

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal. (When they care more about profit instead of customers, they make it personal to the loyal customers who had faith in SOE to do what they've said - Revamp of different professions)  The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. (Do you work in the MMO industry?  How would you know that "SWG couldn't be maintained as financially viable business"?  You are making assumption, and not everyone agrees with you.) I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  (Again, this is purely opinion.  I did return a few time, and found the NGE is still laggy, buggy, and no content (I can give it to you that the new players have it easier to get into, but that's just it.)) The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community. (We didn't abandoned the community.  It was destroyed right before our very eyes.)

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

(I crossed out because I don't care to read crap an idiot wrote.  If you are talking about the whiners, everyone hated them.  But if you count loyal customers as the "whiners", you are just an idiot.  I kept playing SWG through CU (and whatever controversies that surrounded the CU).  I even gave NGE a month or so to see how it would turn out.  But all I see is the veterans leaving, and I see my friend list of 100 went from 70 people on (Pre-CU), to about 30 (CU), and down to single digit (5 - 7 in NGE).  Did the game become better? if you're talking about the present state, it might be better than when the NGE first came out, but the community is not there anymore.  Only a few have stayed even through NGE, but the rest have left.)

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

(It's true that even in Pre-CU the community was great, but the community was build on the love for Star Wars, and also the system that SWG Pre-CU had to offer.  You can't have the same community when you destroy the framework it exist in.  I gave it a shot, more than a few time, but I don't think the community will ever be the same.  Heck, most of the people that I know have left due to NGE.  I have like only know three people who are still playing it, and that's just because teh game is Star Wars.)

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution. (What solution?  By making NGE look and feel more like WoW?  You think that can "save" SWG?  Until SOE truly understand how much they've done for greed and are actually making amend to the ones they've wronged, there will always be the "SOE-hating".  It is NOT the SOE-hating crowd's fautl that SOE did something that can and is considered as a stupid business move, it's their own damn fault. )

 

 

Ok, now that's settled, please let this idiotic thread die.....

Lol Sorry didn't realize this was from back in Feb.  I saw a few 7's in the last posts date and thought it was this month.

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

Wow, I don't know what to say. That may be the dumbest theory I've read here...

Seriously, bashing former players in a 'refugee' forum is dumb enough, but to blame them for the product is truely idiotic. Just wow...

"It's your fault for not liking to eat $#!& !!!" 

Originally posted by Ginaz

Lol Sorry didn't realize this was from back in Feb.  I saw a few 7's in the last posts date and thought it was this month.

Hey, no worries... I think I missed this one before... it's worth noting by it's sheer stupidity...

It's called blame the victims.

I am an anti-SOE cabalist. I plan to celebrate the day that SOE closes, gets sold off, and John Smedley is looking for a new job.

To the Original Poster...

Congrats, you have officially written the DUMBEST post in the history of the internet.

Props to you-

Now find the closest bridge and troll underneath it.  

LOLZORZ @ T3H OP

least intelligent post ever.

D.

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

blah blah blah ....

fact is SOE screwed its customers ( i know i was one of the people double billed ... as well as ripped off with the TOOW expansion) ...

and to correct this we ( pissed off customers) decided to drop our sub  .. leave game .. and voice LOUDLY what happened ...

the reason? so this kind of CRAP, doesnt happen again ...

soe is paying the price of bad karma ,,, for what it has done ...

i didnt abandon them ... i flat out revolted against their kind

Originally posted by NeuroXl

 

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

 

blah blah blah ....

fact is SOE screwed its customers ( i know i was one of the people double billed ... as well as ripped off with the TOOW expansion) ...

and to correct this we ( pissed off customers) decided to drop our sub  .. leave game .. and voice LOUDLY what happened ...

the reason? so this kind of CRAP, doesnt happen again ...

soe is paying the price of bad karma ,,, for what it has done ...

i didnt abandon them ... i flat out revolted against their kind

Whowas really responsible, SOE or Lucas? Would be interesting to know for sure ...

Originally posted by Tetters

Originally posted by NeuroXl

 

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

 

blah blah blah ....

fact is SOE screwed its customers ( i know i was one of the people double billed ... as well as ripped off with the TOOW expansion) ...

and to correct this we ( pissed off customers) decided to drop our sub  .. leave game .. and voice LOUDLY what happened ...

the reason? so this kind of CRAP, doesnt happen again ...

soe is paying the price of bad karma ,,, for what it has done ...

i didnt abandon them ... i flat out revolted against their kind

Whowas really responsible, SOE or Lucas? Would be interesting to know for sure ...

could be LA too ... but i know for a fact SOE were the ones who refused to remove my Credit card # from billing even though i tried to only pay through game cards the last 3 months i played .. knowing i may want to cancel ....

I only read the OP and skimmed the first page of this thread... but I wonder.

How does the company inspire such loyalty as to question

OP, your argument would've held more grain (and still not much) had it not been for SOE knowing full well what they were getting into. They genuinely believed the users would love the NGE, but knew a few people would resist the change heavily, similar to the debacle that the CU inspired (and they lost ~20% of their user base).

They deemed a portion of the user base as "acceptable losses," and were supposedly shocked to find that actual losses exceeded that amount. That's abandonment, plain and simple.

Originally posted by Ginaz

 

 

They bascially said with the nge that they weren't happy with the player base they had and went out to look for another.  Also, soe pulled a bait and switch with the nge and the expansion.  They made all kinds of promises before like a ranger revamp and specific items for creature handlers, 2 professions they knew would no longer exist.  Sorry, any business that blatantly lies to me and other customers doesn't get my business again, no matter how many times they try and "apologize".  Theres a garage where I live that does crappy work and has treated people I know very poorly.  Think I should go there to get my car fixed?  Would you?  Same thing applies to soe.  I can be more vigilant with the money I spend on entertainment because theres lots of things that entertain me and none of them are important enough to compromise my principles over.

yet here everyone is.... happily posting like its a new topic of discussion....

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

If $oe was the last and only MMorpg company around id start reading books for entertainment....

they shafted there player base so you get over it....

i did im just never going back to a $oe game..... get over it... will ya......

IM NOT GOING BACK EVER...........

Originally posted by NeuroXl

 

Originally posted by LakeDaemon

SOE didn't abandon you.  You abandoned them. 

 

I'm not trolling.  Hear me out.

 

First, you have every right to take your money elsewhere.  If you left and found a home then good.  For you SOE-hating "cabalists" who just want to see SWG fail here are some words for you.

 

SOE is a business and it does everything to meet financial ends... period.. end of discussion.   None of this was personal.   The bottom line is that, for all its success on the user side, SWG couldn't be maintained as a financially viable business. I don't know how much more clear they can be on this.  The game, for better or worse, is now much more stable, far fewer bugs, easier for new players to get into, and has vastly more content.  The only problem is that the community isn't there.  Why? 

 

Because all you SOE-haters have abandoned your community.

 

Again, people have every right to move on and find a new game but don't say that SOE abandoned you. We all lost alot in the NGE.  SOE did what it had to do to keep SWG financially afloat.    If you are one of those who miss the old days, and you'd go back if the community was there, but hate SOE so much that you want to see NGE and SOE fail then I blame..

 

YOU

 

because the community starts with you and you are sitting here whining and moaning.   The dev team wont even listen to the community as a whole because of you.  They have to pick and choose who they can get feedback from because of the anti-nge rhetoric.  Thats where the disconnect is now.  You complain about them but its the community you are hurting.

 

I've said this before and Ill say it again.  It wasn't the old system that made it great, it was the vast community. The old system was just the framework. Perhaps it was better but it had major bugs and the community still adapted to the bugs and prospered.  Now that the framework has been fixed to be more stable you'd rather complain than give it a shot long enough to respark the old community back and adapt to the new framework.  

 

I hear alot of people say that they would resub 2,3, or 4 accounts if they brought back the old system and yet, it would cost a fraction of that to give the new system a shot long enough to respark the community.

 

Not only are you part of the problem but you are ruining the solution.

 

 

 

blah blah blah ....

fact is SOE screwed its customers ( i know i was one of the people double billed ... as well as ripped off with the TOOW expansion) ...

and to correct this we ( pissed off customers) decided to drop our sub  .. leave game .. and voice LOUDLY what happened ...

the reason? so this kind of CRAP, doesnt happen again ...

soe is paying the price of bad karma ,,, for what it has done ...

i didnt abandon them ... i flat out revolted against their kind

 Wow what a load of C#$% Whaaa you left I have no one to play with now, Its not SOE's fault  its yourss whaa.. SOE didn't screw you over and take a MMO that was stable and change it in a attempt to grab more money and more wow players.

 This guys either a part of the SOE SWG team, a troll or is soo pathetic its shamefull

Lol, who necroed this crap?

However, this thread must still be the most idiotic one I've ever seen. It almost deserves to be flamed lol.