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Originally posted by WastedAgain

I honestly really enjoyed myself playing Vanguard, and dont understand all the venom it gets.

It's posts like these that have been confusing me since Vanguard came out.   People saying they're enjoying the game or that it runs fine for them.

The game had over a 1,000 bugs at launch (and those were just the ones SOE found in the first week and a half after they took over - who knows how many Sigil found themselves - oh wait, it must have been about a dozen or so)

How the HECK can anyone play a game with 1,000+ bugs and claim to enjoy it or that it even ran well which many others have claimed??

At least now we know who should have been believed during all these months - everyone who tried to warn off others about the unplayable, bug-fest that was Vanguard at launch.   Everyone that has been spouting all that venom that the game earned for itself.

But the SOE interview wasn't a 5 page long,rambling rant spouting nonsense about some 'Vision' so I'm willing to give a free trial a try.  If only to see if this game is really as casual friendly as the pre-Sigil-implosion hype claimed or if that's just more BS spouted out by a Vanbois on the Forum. 

Originally posted by Elikal

Just one thing: WHAT has a semi-nude women to do with fantasy gaming? I mean ok, generally the female gender's beauty is not what I am into anyways, so my question goes more to the straights: do you really think its appropriate the depict boobs on every damn game?

What universe are you living in?   That's like asking why they have women wearing tight T-shirts in beer commercials.  What does a well-developed bust have to do with a beer's taste or alcoholic properties?    As much as it has anything to do with a fantasy game.   (Though in truth,  thanks to artists like Boris Vallejo and Luis Royo you could argue that scantily clad women have MORE to do with a fantasy game than any  beverage)

But there is one cold, solid fact that no one can ignore - it sells product.   And as long as it does (in other words as long as there are straight guys with money) then they will continue to be used to sell product, whether its games, beer or lawn chairs.

As to whether it's an appropriate form of advertising, there's a rather large faction of the relgious right who would be more than willing to see this kind of advertising censored and then go on to tell us what else is appropriate for us to see, hear, eat and think.    Fortunately these people aren't allowed to do that and gaming companies are allowed the freedom to use the kind of ads that they want and the kinds of ads that catch their customer's attention.

Is it silly?   You're talking about an ad for a game where a virtual, pixelated cartoon character runs around a make-believe world.  And people are PAYING for it.    We're well past the line of silly at this point.   And that's probably what helps to make it fun.  Start censoring silly and things would probably be a lot less fun.

Vanguard's biggest problem since I've know it(Beta) has been the performance issues, I'm all for having a decent computer to run it but when you get the top of the line rig and the game still plays sluggish that's a developer problem. Sigil's reasoning behind this was to basically point a finger at the subscribers and computer retailers saying that their computer systems needed to be updated. Or at the other one was to say that in a few months when Computer manufacturer's start putting out better systems that all the problems would be fixed.

Sigil FAILED miserably from the head guy in charge(Brad) down to the mid-level developers now matter which way you slice it, the game was barely half complete at release and was no better off when they handed it over to SOE(ran for their life). Sigil's Vanguard had no life and although they attempted to change the direction of MMO's back to community driven, you can't do that with a crappy game.

Since SOE took over there has been nothing but improvements in performance as well as bug fixes and they're adding content here shortly. SOE may never be able to turn this into a widely popular game but I'm fairly confident that they can make this one enjoyable still. People who still hate SOE because of the SWG NGE(including myself) should be able to tell the difference in what is happening here vice what happened with SWG. There is no comparison..

Things that Vanguard needs:

• Continual increases in performance and frame rates
• Some more solo content and content in general
• A 'mentoring' system ala EQ2, there's nothing less fun that jumping into a game for the first time and seeing absolutely no one.. Mentoring will give the older players a chance to gain their own 'points' while helping out the newer guys and also helps build a community(player interaction).
• Develop the Lore, allot of people don't care but it is a nice touch to any game.
• Diplomacy.....where's this all going?

Things that it doesn't need:

• Wide sweeping changes to the combat system
• Dumbing down of the crafting system, sorry but time in= profit out. I agree with this and it keeps the guys who did the long grind able to make a solid profit without 'giving' it for nothing to the new guy. Crafting is supposed to be a seperate tree in itself, it should not be able to be powerleveled in a week.

The game doesn't need a large nipple on it to make a solid game even at this point, the '1000' bugs or so take awhile to be fixed and SOE just basically got their hands on it so they're doing fine with what they were given.

Originally posted by rvjones10

Originally posted by shukes33

sorry i am a game player, the politics of it all dont bother me at all.

what does bother me is that people who are obviously not going to play the game again, for some stupid reason seem to have such an interest on these forums? if the game is that bad and uninteresting to you all, then go away..please.

i am not trying to convince anyone to play the game. i dont want most of you to play it, i think that would ruin any chance of a decent mature community. i just dont wish you to try to convince me and others to leave. i wish you would let sleeping dogs lie and let us that want to play or try the game to do just that.

 

agreed, I have found that there are more folks on these forums bashing games and trying to discourage people from playing them. This site can be a very misleading source if your trying to find out the quality of a game and what it has to offer.

If you're not going to take my word for it, I would think that the thousands upon thousands of people leaving, the multiple server mergers, the fallout out at Sigil, the refusal of MicroSoft to come anywhere near promoting/distributing this game, and the laughable reviews like this would be enough to tell you a thing or two about the quality of Vanguard....

Alas, some folks choose to be naive and ignore every piece of solid evidence (and theres a ton of it for Vanguard) that points to a game being an absolute waste of money.

Wow I hear alot of uninformed posts lately. People that play the game and are hurt by SOE taking over or by sigils reign of terror. Such big words from such small people. I play Vanguard, most of the "bugs" they are referring to are quests you may never touch for 6 months, things not dropping appropriatly or some off the wall small glitch that doesn't effect the majority of players. Sure bugs are irritating, but I have played through countless beta's and releases of so many games it's sick, and guess what? They all do this, some worse some better but they all do it it's called "making a game" Vanguard has 3 tree's of things you can do Adventuring, diplomacy and crafting. The adventuring I don't find boring at all I look forward to new skills and going to new places I also enjoy toying with the stats on my character to make him my way and not some carbon copy clone from a template like so many other games.

 You don't have to like the game, but I run a very sub par machine with 1 gig of ram and guess what, I average 50fps+ it's called not being an idiot, if you go into many new games crank the settings to max and then run through a mob zone on your old ass rig you will get the same effect as in Vanguard you hitch, you lose framerates like mad and you die. Grow up quit slamming a game that most people haven't even played, if you don't want to play don't, it will save our so called "small community" from ignorance and general flaming. Most of the people leaving due to server merge is because they are losing the RP tag, I play on Florendyl and they feel "betrayed" somehow by SOE but the truth is, this isn't OUR game it's theirs and if we don't like it we can leave.

 As for me I will continue playing and having fun doing hundreds of quests with great stories, new places and sailing my boat around, and at the end of the day I will relax in my humble log cabin and put my feet up by the fire and listen to the whiners in OOC chat about how hard or unfair something is.

Originally posted by mastershado

Wow I hear alot of uninformed posts lately. People that play the game and are hurt by SOE taking over or by sigils reign of terror. Such big words from such small people. I play Vanguard, most of the "bugs" they are referring to are quests you may never touch for 6 months, things not dropping appropriatly or some off the wall small glitch that doesn't effect the majority of players. Sure bugs are irritating, but I have played through countless beta's and releases of so many games it's sick, and guess what? They all do this, some worse some better but they all do it it's called "making a game" Vanguard has 3 tree's of things you can do Adventuring, diplomacy and crafting. The adventuring I don't find boring at all I look forward to new skills and going to new places I also enjoy toying with the stats on my character to make him my way and not some carbon copy clone from a template like so many other games.

 You don't have to like the game, but I run a very sub par machine with 1 gig of ram and guess what, I average 50fps+ it's called not being an idiot, if you go into many new games crank the settings to max and then run through a mob zone on your old ass rig you will get the same effect as in Vanguard you hitch, you lose framerates like mad and you die. Grow up quit slamming a game that most people haven't even played, if you don't want to play don't, it will save our so called "small community" from ignorance and general flaming. Most of the people leaving due to server merge is because they are losing the RP tag, I play on Florendyl and they feel "betrayed" somehow by SOE but the truth is, this isn't OUR game it's theirs and if we don't like it we can leave.

 As for me I will continue playing and having fun doing hundreds of quests with great stories, new places and sailing my boat around, and at the end of the day I will relax in my humble log cabin and put my feet up by the fire and listen to the whiners in OOC chat about how hard or unfair something is.

I about died laughing when I read this vanboi tripe! Dude give us all a break!  Most of us that played the game know the truth and are telling it the way it is and was for months. And because we have been telling the truth the rabid vanboi's have been name calling and trying to disinform the public about this game.

Let's look at the facts shall we.

First of all the framerate "claim"  Go here and see for yourself the amount of peeps having big time problems.

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/forums/show.m?forum_id=8

I don't think a duocore 6700 , 4 gigs 1.2 gig ram and an 8800gtx card is an "old ass rid" so get it right. Also look at MMORPG's own vanguard forums about people posting how horible the framerates have been.  Also if framerate are NOT a problem then why is SOE been sooo busy trying to improve them?

second fact: over 150,000 people have left the game! Why? because they were all "haters"? NOPE! cause the game is bad!

third fact: New well polished games DON't have server merges 6 months out!

Fourth fact: The game STILL hitches, lags and crashes. How do we know? Because the devs SAY IT DOES and that is why they are WORKING on it. I don't think they would be saying they are working on something that doesn't exist.

Fifth fact: Brad himself has said the game was NOT ready for release! and has said he was sorry for it but they ran out of money!.  This HAS been posted on these forums and on other forums as well. So LOOK it up!

Sixth fact: Sigil (Brad) has lied about this product all along! This has been proven as well on F13's site! Once again look it up!  Microsoft knew it as well and after spending 30mil on the project dumped it.

There are so many more but.. I digress cause I understand that zealous vanboi's are not thinking with their brains but with their "feelings" and no matter how much bad news or how many people tell the truth about the game they will continue on with religious fevor, evangelistically praising a game that is STILL in beta as shown in this interview but was a complete rip off to many.

Why do we so called "haters" keep telling the truth about this game? Cause we feel we were ripped off and we don't want others to be ripped off because of rose colored reviews by vanboi's.

BTW the NGE was NOT wanted by players. SOE should've figured that out when people left in protest after the CU! get your facts straight.  Just like people didn't want to lose the RP server and the Team PVP server but we all know SOE and when they get an idea in their heads they will do it no matter what! AFTER they told us their plans the RP server and the team PVP server started to die off as been stated on SOE's forums!! by Hasium himself! Once again LOOK IT UP!

And for those of you that stated that SOE is NOT to blame for the release? SOE was the publisher of this tittle NOT Sigil! Sigil did ask for more time and money to finish the game and SOE and SMED said NO!! This is also a documented FACT! So it is SOE's fault for releasing the game in beta form and they knew it WAS NOT READY! So yeah it IS their fault!

I love how nubs post without knowing their facts.

Honestly I like vanguard despite the bugs.

What killed it for me is I couldn't convince my friends to play and without a group of people to play with, it wasn't much fun.  I didn't really enjoy being guilded with strangers that much, especially since everyone was stuck in the "we are going to make teh first ub3r guild!!!1one" mode.

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sorry but i aint heard or seen any such thing like that, and yes, i did play EQ2. However i stopped playing EQ2 on vanguards release, i have not gone back to that either.

I have however had a dvd through the post to go check out Wow-burning crusade for 10 days, i am just waiting to hear from a friend if he has had the offer and then maybe we will take those 10 days up.