Originally posted by Valant6

Sounds to me like you're trying to convince yourself of something.....

 

Your reasoning throws up flags....what you should be asking yourself is- what  happens when you dont have a guild size of 150? The rest of the guilds are screwed and it will indeed take them months upon months to gather the resources necessary to build a guild hall? Hell, we havent even gotten into the maintenance costs that they will need to endlessly grind for as well....

 

Keep in mind- we're talking about a game that is notoriously known throughout the MMO community as a tortorous grind of monotony...Now when you get devs supporting a game like this laughing at the 'sheer amount of resources it takes to build a guild hall', and its time to put down the pipe and start walking away, because you know its going to be absurb-this is Vanguard and SOE afterall.

 

Also- I find it very hard to believe any current guild in that game has over 120+ active players....Sure, there might be a couple, but every guild I was in touch with at launch on our server has less than 20 active players still in this horrible game, and we had one of the highest server populations at launch.

I'm not trying to convince myself of anything.  I was just stating an observation.

You made my point clear.  What happens when you don't have a guild size of 150?  That is where the interview was not clear on.  It was stated that the list is HUGE.  However, it didn't give any type of comparison on if the list is huge for a small guild or a large guild.  That was my only point I was trying to make.  That's all.....  If the list was decribed as being large for a guild of around 50 or so people, then we can say it will be extremely hard for a guild of like 20 people to ever get a guild hall.  Of course, if the guild had 150 people it will not be near as bad.

I'm still great friends with my old guild leader.  Since subscriptions started dropping, a few of the remaining smaller guilds banned together on the server.  They have quite the large active guild now.  Large guilds are still there.  There's not many, but they are still there.

I am a guild leader of a guild on VG and to be honest if you look at the active members you will notice that most of the guild do not have more than 50 active members even the large guilds.  When the servers merge I will disband my guild due to the drop in numbers and will cancel my account. This is because the game has not improved enough for me and I have been there since day one, I have defended this game through thick and thin but I have run out of steam.

There is no FUN factor in this game anymore, everything is to slow and tedious. Ok there has been an improvment in performance but I do not believe the claim of 20% is true. Once the server merge is completed I will leave the game.

Bandit.

Originally posted by NightBandit

I am a guild leader of a guild on VG and to be honest if you look at the active members you will notice that most of the guild do not have more than 50 active members even the large guilds.  When the servers merge I will disband my guild due to the drop in numbers and will cancel my account. This is because the game has not improved enough for me and I have been there since day one, I have defended this game through thick and thin but I have run out of steam.

 

There is no FUN factor in this game anymore, everything is to slow and tedious. Ok there has been an improvment in performance but I do not believe the claim of 20% is true. Once the server merge is completed I will leave the game.

 

Bandit.

I stopped playing because I'm just tired of all the fantasy MMO's.  I'm more a sci-fi type of guy.

In my opinion, Vanguard is still in beta, and when its actually finished in a couple months, I'll give it another go. And by another go, I mean I'll download the free trial and see if it doesn't suck as bad.

I'd be furious if I was one of the people that pre-ordered/bought VG when this is really just public beta 5.

edit: Oh yeah, and Valant, GREAT post. They need to rework the core, the bugs are definitely NOT the problem they should be focusing on. And really, after they fix the largest performance issues [as they have begun too already], they need to seriously think about updating the combat. I doubt they will, but for God's sake, the grind is rediculous. At least make the combat better. I was Olid in the pre-release version of your guild btw, up until I played Vanguard in beta, which ended any desperate hope I might have had about enjoying this game.

so does this mean that SOE is going to ignore the 'big names' that make the game... so they can actually have one?

Anyone see some irony here?

SOE made sweeping changes with SWG against the wishes of the (most) player-base, and they ended up getting burned for it.

Now it seems that many players *want SOE to make sweeping changes to the core of VSoH, but it doesn't sound like they'll do it.

I wonder if Vanguard would already be a dramatically different animal if SOE hadn't recently gone through the NGE fiasco.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 

Originally posted by Bahamutff10

 

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 We are also finalizing the Brotherhood system. This will allow you and your Brotherhood members to share XP, even when your characters are offline." Bill explained that it was a device to keep friends together.

Now THIS is a great idea! Neat new take on a way of keeping friends together in a MMORPG.  It will be interesting to see if they can make this mechanic work.

This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.

If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it? 

I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots.  That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.

Talk is cheap.  Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit.  Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.

Don't think Sigil promised it at release, and I recall something about making sure it wasn't exploitable. 

Just logged off the game myself.  Ended up playing for about 4 hours.  Haven't done that in a while. 

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 

Originally posted by Bahamutff10

 

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 We are also finalizing the Brotherhood system. This will allow you and your Brotherhood members to share XP, even when your characters are offline." Bill explained that it was a device to keep friends together.

Now THIS is a great idea! Neat new take on a way of keeping friends together in a MMORPG.  It will be interesting to see if they can make this mechanic work.

This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.

If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it? 

I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots.  That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.

Talk is cheap.  Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit.  Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.

The concept was supposed to be incorporated into this game prior to it's release. You wont be able to confirm it since Sigil shut down their Official forums ( not to be mistaken with the Sony  VGSOH Forums )  But I do recall that being one of its promised features.

Originally posted by Bakgrind

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 

Originally posted by Bahamutff10

 

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 We are also finalizing the Brotherhood system. This will allow you and your Brotherhood members to share XP, even when your characters are offline." Bill explained that it was a device to keep friends together.

Now THIS is a great idea! Neat new take on a way of keeping friends together in a MMORPG.  It will be interesting to see if they can make this mechanic work.

This is a very old idea thought up by Sigil and was called the Fellowship system. I don't remember Sigil implementing it but they still deserve credit for thinking of it.

If Sigil thought it up, why didn't they implement it? 

I can say I thought up the idea for anti-gravity boots.  That doesn't mean I should get credit for them if someone else makes a working pair.

Talk is cheap.  Getting an idea to work is what makes one deserving of credit.  Of course, the SOE people sitll have to show they can implement the idea successfully.

The concept was supposed to be incorporated into this game prior to it's release. You wont be able to confirm it since Sigil shut down their Official forums ( not to be mistaken with the Sony  VGSOH Forums )  But I do recall that being one of its promised features.

There's been tab in the social interface since release for it.

This used to be called fellowship in Vanguard.  The name was changed due to confusion brought by LOTRO groups being called the same thing.

Fellowships were implemented near the end of beta 5, but the system was bugged and caused people to level up to 5 times faster then intended.  Fellowships were removed after less then one day, and have not been put back in since. 

This feature was one of the features I was most looking forward to in Vanguard... I hope they get it working, and I hope that other MMO's borrow the idea!  I play with a group of about 7 other friends and family members,and keeping everyone near the same level in a new MMO is always impossible.

I would be willing to invest my money in Vanguard and give it a shot, but the performance reviews by players have held me off so far. I have an Intel DuoCore Processor with 3.0 Ghz of speed. 1gig of RAM and a Nvidia Geforce 7300 LE graphics card. According to the performance testing third party website, I am inbetween Recommended and Minimum, but according to actual players the game wouldn't be playable on my system. I'm not quite ready to invest in another gig of ram and another graphics card when I just bought this one a year ago. Maybe others are in the same boat as I am, which is one of the real reasons why this game hasn't grown.

I have to disagree about performance increasing since SOE took over.

Since SOE took over:

1.  Performance is noticably worse.  Each patch has resulted in mroe crashes and more lag.

2,  Gold seller spam is up ten fold.

3.  The rate of new content beiong introducded is almost non-existant.

Why are things so much worse since SOE took over?  is it because they have only half the staff Sigil had or is it because they don't care.  My guess is the latter.

wow!  cursing AND shouting... impressive!

Originally posted by Valant6

I thought Bill made it pretty clear they dont care about the grind problem when he just shrugged off the fact that players need to make Vanguard their second job before being able to own a guild hall (which WAS one of the few interesting features VG had going for it...I guess not anymore). Theres something very fundamentally wrong with that.

so, why shouldn't a GUILD hall require a GUILD effort to build it....?

Brotherhood system?  That is a useless feature.  Vanguard is a pitiful, pathetic, mess of a game.  Just shoot it like a horse with a broken leg.  Take it out of it's misery.

I am sure the VG Devs would rather work on SOE's "The Agency" instead of that mess.

Originally posted by bob_sandwich

 

 

If Bill actually stood up and said they lowered the land costs, maintenance fees, and materials needed to build player cities in game , THAT would be something to get excited about...but not this terrible PR review that basically laughs at the amount of work needed to own a fun feature in the game, and not the 'brotherhood' system that was supposed to be in at beta for crying out loud (better known as the Fellowship system Brad always boasted about)

 

 PUSSIES QUIT TRYING TO RUIN THIS BY MAKING IT EASIER.   GET PAST LEVEL 25 PLEASE AND MAYBE TRY SOME CRAFTING.

I played from bout beta 3.5 / 4 onwards and never got to see the real "vision" that was apparently beta 2, but what was worse was all the promises they broke over essential gameplay mechanics, such as the fellowships, and game not having item decay as it is now,

But did any of you guys read the interviews some guy did with a fired member of the team and Brad?

Some of the stuff they were coming out with was amazing!

i am going back to the game this weekend without a doubt. i feel i have to due to all the haters of this game, wierd but they are actually making me want to try it again.

all the rubbish that i have read in this post from players that dont like the game makes me feel sad for our community. i mean come on, why hate it so much? lets face it there are much worse games out there, granted there are better too. but the fact is the game is huge and has a lot of problems, but even with all these problems it is still up there in as far as gameplay goes. and talk about grind? have you ever played a mmorg before? go to many other sites and the more mature players realise that these styles of games need to be a gring to last. EQ is still fondly remembered as being the classic mmorg. i played it for 7 years and it was a hell of a grind. but what an enjoyable grind it was. ok some of you like other things in games, so why the hell you here still trying to put us of playing it?

give me a proper reason, i really want to hear your clever replys to this. call me a vanboiy if you want i dont care. and i am not gonna try to convince you people to play it. i would rather you didn't to be honest. leave the game for us who enjoy it and you guys go and complain about games on a forum somewhere. even VG if you want, just do us all a favour and either complain construcively or go elsewhere.

sorry to blow of a bit some of what i read was pathetic to the extreme.

Which is more pathetic? One who smiles with kindness that took your moneys in false pretense on a unready unfinished buggy cranky game?.

OR

SOE staff/developers posted on public forum pretending to be some new kid on the block in disguise by pointing out how great Vanguard is under SOE?.

You dont fool me.

I must admit that after playing many mmos for nearly a decade I decided to give Vanguard a go and am quite enjoying it at the moment. Trying to locate npcs in elven tree city is a pain, and learning to craft is not for the feint hearted.

It can be a bit lonely after say LOTRO but it sure has more depth.

Chrim

sorry i am a game player, the politics of it all dont bother me at all.

what does bother me is that people who are obviously not going to play the game again, for some stupid reason seem to have such an interest on these forums? if the game is that bad and uninteresting to you all, then go away..please.

i am not trying to convince anyone to play the game. i dont want most of you to play it, i think that would ruin any chance of a decent mature community. i just dont wish you to try to convince me and others to leave. i wish you would let sleeping dogs lie and let us that want to play or try the game to do just that.