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Originally posted by DarthMaulUK
He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do.

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

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You do have the option open of not reading this forum and sticking to "current".

I don't buy the number that the OP is claiming because I believe it's too high. 85K MAYBE if they count EVERY station pass that EVER once logged into SWG, and if they are counting free trials, but the active base is barely more than half that at most.

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Originally posted by redriver
there were lotta ppl commin' back to check chapter 6 out and that explains a temporary spike in sub numbers.. I wanna see an update for next month when the novelty settle down and it's back to normal... 50ish or so heheh

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This is what I am seeing as well. A bunch surged in for CH6, but are already bleeding off, especially after it was stated that CH7 won't be out until at least September. That's way too long to wait for any new content.

To state the obvious: SOE is not completely oblivious (appearances to the contrary). They certainly know that the "word on the street" is that their NGE tanked and the subs numbers are horrible and have never recovered at all. If they had any data that they could post on subs numbers that would contradict this impression, they'd have posted them.

I have said this many times. The fact that since the CU and even before, they have not given even a hint of what the actual subs numbers are, is all the information you need to know that the subs of this game are not doing well.  When subs were doing well (the first year) they were constantly updating us... "200k faster than any MMO in history".... "250K".... "300K mark reached!"... then... silence. And silence ever since.

If they had any data at all to crow about, they'd be crowing. That they are not, speaks more volumes than the actual numbers ever would.

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Originally posted by Chessack

To state the obvious: SOE is not completely oblivious (appearances to the contrary). They certainly know that the "word on the street" is that their NGE tanked and the subs numbers are horrible and have never recovered at all. If they had any data that they could post on subs numbers that would contradict this impression, they'd have posted them.

I have said this many times. The fact that since the CU and even before, they have not given even a hint of what the actual subs numbers are, is all the information you need to know that the subs of this game are not doing well.  When subs were doing well (the first year) they were constantly updating us... "200k faster than any MMO in history".... "250K".... "300K mark reached!"... then... silence. And silence ever since.

If they had any data at all to crow about, they'd be crowing. That they are not, speaks more volumes than the actual numbers ever would.

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Well said Chesack  

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

I had a friend who worked at SOE. I put him out of his misery last week. ;)

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do. 

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

The genre has and does promote their active user/subscriber base.  Wether it be EVE Online which shows their active concurent user base, in real time, or Second Life that puts out frequent press releases regarding theirs.  Then we have World of Warcraft which obviously promotes their subscriber numbers.  Fact is there is a majority of developer/publishers that DO publicize their subscription numbers.

Don't get upset UK, it's ok.  SWG has suffered from a plethora of set backs due to poor design and development through SOE's staff.  When you look at the number crunching ways of Lucas Arts and their marketing schemes you'll see how the demise was furthered along. 

We all enjoyed the game and some of us still try to maintain that enjoyment.  I'm glad you like it, but keep in mind that there's a left to every right.  When marketing tells the sbscribing fan base to take a hike 'cs they believe they can get more then they'll lose, how can complatency be warranted? 

SWG has improved over the last 14 months.  Yet it's ignorant to not see how something as stripped down and overly simplified as the "new game enhancemnets" has only to improve; it doesn't get any worse!

EVE Online launched in 2003.  Look at their subscriptions...

p.s. keep up the cool SWG site!

Originally posted by Netzz

Wow, I just noticed they moved this to the veteran refuge.

That's kinda funny since it's current sub numbers, and I really only posted cause I saw the 5 page thread about Greypawns comments on the SOE boards.

Oh well, I guess they figure anyone who would  try and talk about sub numbers, must be disgruntled vet lol. 

Therefore, I would have moved you to general discussion, myself. As your thread does not have anything legitimate to do with the actual current numbers, and is also non-vet related in nature.

Hahah this UK guy makes me laugh.

Do us a favor and stop posting here, go play that AWESOME!! game of yours.

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Originally posted by Maggotscream
Hahah this UK guy makes me laugh.
Do us a favor and stop posting here, go play that AWESOME!! game of yours.

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To work for SOE or LEC, or have positions like that requires drinking of the kool-aid provided by "Smed" Jones.

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

/yawn

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do. 

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

So lets be clear here.... SOE has talked about it's overall subs recently, and 2 companies with more subs then SOE talk about it... oh, and Linden too.... so it seems that subs are talked about, unless they make your game look bad...

85k seems realistic enough to me.    May or may not include station pass people with SWG accounts.   But still the source is just "a guy on the net who claims to know someone"    Its no more legit or reliable than any other source out there.

5k increase in a month would be nice progress for a dying 4 year old game that went through NGE.   5k doesn't sound like much but for $15 a month each x 5k x 12 months amounts to $900k extra a year.    Any increase at this point is probably considered a good job.

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Originally posted by jerosen
85k seems realistic enough to me. May or may not include station pass people with SWG accounts. But still the source is just "a guy on the net who claims to know someone" Its no more legit or reliable than any other source out there.
5k increase in a month would be nice progress for a dying 4 year old game that went through NGE. 5k doesn't sound like much but for $15 a month each x 5k x 12 months amounts to $900k extra a year. Any increase at this point is probably considered a good job.

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85K is realistic if you count the trials that the credit farmers (and even current players) are exploiting.

But that is fool's gold if you want actual revenue generating subs.

i would say around 60k, we have definitely seen a surge on Valcyn since chapter 5 came out. But alot of it has to do with the space community.

And yes, my number is just a generalization based on my server and the every so often heavy loads on some other servers, but i cannot honestly say what other servers pops are like

Originally posted by Netzz
I KNOW FOR A FACT, because a longtime childhood friend of mine works at SOE and recieves weekly reports on subsription numbers, that subs were at 80k a month ago, have gone up to 85k in the last few weeks,

My question is, what is this number, Minus Station passes?  lol

One more thing he told me is that SOE has offciaily put this game into "maintenance mode" which means it is running on a skeleton crew of devs, that are only working on bugs, and there are NO PLANS FOR ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS. Ever.

This was actually announced when NGE went live. There would be no new expansions till they worked out the Bugs of NGE and have all a stable game.

 

Say what you will, laugh at my source...

actually these days with SWG that is more crediable then a dev pots. It was the cousin's sisters, best friends dad, that works with a guy, that talked to his buddy in a bar, that has a uncle who is a night janitor for SOE and cleaned up the room that NGE was made in and told us about it 3 months before it came out and none of us, including me believed that guy and he was dead on 100% right.

 

AND, one more thing he said is, 'it's common knowledge here in Austin, that Rich Vogel has been working on a new Star Wars MMO for Bioware for the last year".

Yes that is true and has been common knowledge that Vogel is Working for BIOWARE on there new MMORPG, its been posted on the BIOWARE website for the last 2 years, I recently linked that info here on these forums.

THO I feel the need to Point out that Bioware has never said it has a liceanse to make a Star wars Game, It is known (but unoffically announced) they do have liceanse from LA , but that is a broad area of intellectual properties that could possibly MMO titles.

I persoanlly Hope its true I want very much to see a MMO by bioware and a SW bioware project again I love KOTOR  and very much want to see BIOWARE do KOTOR-MMO, but none of it been said or announced yet that I know of. only speculation and rumor and hopes.           

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Originally posted by LovrNoFightr

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Since the NGE is doing so brilliant, why do you even waste energy on commenting at all? I'm sure you wouldn't be worried about "false rumours" like this since NGE is the best thing that's happened since sliced bread. Unless...... you know it could very well be the truth about the game? Thought so...

Whats really funny is they come here and act like telling us to get over it is going to somehow change our mind, after 2 years, were still mad and want our old game back. After having paid hundreds, even thousands of real dollars and 2 - 3 years of our free time anywher efrom 4 hours to 16 ( yes I knew some fanatics)

If we havent got over it , one more NGE loving nub telling us wont suddenly break our will and make us all come running back .

LOL!!!!

but its funny ... its like.. a 10 year old explaining to me how good the new Metallica CD is, when they never even heard of Ride the lightning... and think Load was there first CD...

Truly GreyPawn is a mask. A mask that myself and a few who have had some dealings with him NOT in public (mostly over the whole senate/Bloodfin controversy) have gotten to see behind in the last few days.

Truly the guy is NOT at all what he purports to be. He's trying to present a front that he's "on the players side", etc but he isn't. His job is to APPEAR that he is "on the players side".

Go take a look at the new "senate" he's assembled to get an idea. You have a PA "senator" who never led a PA until recently (who also is authoring PM nastygrams. Most of the rest of them are similarly undistinguished. They were chosen based on "political reliability" over anything else.

The bloom will be off the rose very soon for GreyPawn, and knowing what I do now about how he deals with the slightest challenge, it won't be long before he falls completely out of favor with the players, since they WILL challenge him when he fails to back up what he's saying now, since, like his statements on the game's subscriber numbers and financial health, there is NO substance to it.

Originally posted by Netzz

 

 

<snip>hell he doesn't even play video games, he just works on them for a living.

<snip>

That, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with game developers today.

Originally posted by ormstunga

 

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Dont be a jerk m8. You have nuffin to lose from bashing all the "I have a friend posts" coz if they are wrong, you get to be an "internet hero". And if they are right, you can just have a nice time playing the new Starwars MMO. Win-win for you. Except ofc the jerk part   

 

I'm not saying I believe every "friend of a friends girlfriend" post, but a few are actually true (the most striking one top of my head ofc being that guy posting about the upcoming NGE).

*edit* 85k is much better then at least I thought, and it seems even ppl working on the game had lower numbers in mind haha. are those pure SWG subs only? no trials (ofc) and no station pass?

Actually, does anyone really remember the name of the person who broke the NGE rumor many years ago? I know they got panned like every "rumor"/rumor poster does. Not sure what my point is.....