The whole comment about "  I can't give you numbers, but the charts I had seen before (and likely you've seen) were dead wrong." is hillarious.

WHY can't they give us numbers IF it's doing so well?

The reason why is in the definition of "doing well" itself.

I KNOW FOR A FACT, because a longtime childhood friend of mine works at SOE and recieves weekly reports on subsription numbers, that subs were at 80k a month ago, have gone up to 85k in the last few weeks,

It's still not cracking the 100k mark, and is a far cry from the 300k+ it had in it's prime.

One more thing he told me is that SOE has offciaily put this game into "maintenance mode" which means it is running on a skeleton crew of devs, that are only working on bugs, and there are NO PLANS FOR ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS. Ever.

Say what you will, laugh at my source, but he doesn't even work on this game anymore because he's strictly a "new product "development person, and just thanks God that he's not working on SWG anymore (he just gets to laugh at the weekly deptartmental reports on all SOE games).

AND, one more thing he said is, 'it's common knowledge here in Austin, that Rich Vogel has been working on a new Star Wars MMO for Bioware for the last year". This is from someone who's been working in the gaming community for 10+ years, and I've known personally for over 25, so I could care less of you believe it or not, time will tell.

SO, just in case Grey Pawn (and boy does that forum name fit him) needs some help counting.......

85K is the current SWG sub base.

There you have it.

Originally posted by Netzz

The whole comment about "  I can't give you numbers, but the charts I had seen before (and likely you've seen) were dead wrong." is hillarious.

WHY can't they give us numbers IF it's doing so well?

The reason why is in the definition of "doing well" itself.

I KNOW FOR A FACT, because a longtime childhood friend of mine works at SOE and recieves weekly reports on subsription numbers, that subs were at 80k a month ago, have gone up to 85k in the last few weeks,

It's still not cracking the 100k mark, and is a far cry from the 300k+ it had in it's prime.

One more thing he told me is that SOE has offciaily put this game into "maintenance mode" which means it is running on a skeleton crew of devs, that are only working on bugs, and there are NO PLANS FOR ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS. Ever.

Say what you will, laugh at my source, but he doesn't even work on this game anymore because he's strictly a "new product "development person, and just thanks God that he's not working on SWG anymore (he just gets to laugh at the weekly deptartmental reports on all SOE games).

AND, one more thing he said is, 'it's common knowledge here in Austin, that Rich Vogel has been working on a new Star Wars MMO for Bioware for the last year". This is from someone who's been working in the gaming community for 10+ years, and I've known personally for over 25, so I could care less of you believe it or not, time will tell.

SO, just in case Grey Pawn (and boy does that forum name fit him) needs some help counting.......

85K is the current SWG sub base.

There you have it.

Well thats up from the 50k it was about 6 months ago. But 85k sounds about right.

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

I live in Texas and I have a friend who has a friend that lives in Austin and date a Gal at Bioware its not SWG.

Its something better Bioware is working on FIREFLY.

At least that what my friends, friend Girl friend says.

Originally posted by ajax7

 

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

 

I live in Texas and I have a friend who has a friend that lives in Austin and date a Gal at Bioware its not SWG.

Its something better Bioware is working on FIREFLY.

At least that what my friends, friend Girl friend says.

It is defintely a "Star Wars" IP Vogel is working on.

This is not someone's squeeze, and I'd verify my source, except for witchunters like Obraik would probably try to cause him RL problems.

I just hadn't talked to him for a year or so, and recently he helped me with a project I've been working on, and SWG came up in the conversation.

We both were laughing actually, since I don't play it, and he doesn't work on it, neither of us are affected by anyone's trust in what I've posted, hell he doesn't even play video games, he just works on them for a living.

As far as Obraik's comments though, it was some who "had a friend at SOE" that warned everyone moths in advance about the NGE, and no one believed him either, so I pretty much expected this reponse.

Like I said, time will tell, and I think it's safe to say you're going to know the "Fate of the Galaxies" by the end of this year.

Cheers

It's amazing the the collection system, beast master and heroic mobs are all bug fixes! For a skeleton crew they put up expansions on par with other mmos!

Originally posted by Huria

It's amazing the the collection system, beast master and heroic mobs are all bug fixes! For a skeleton crew they put up expansions on par with other mmos!

How are these features, or "expansions" as you call them, on par with other MMOs? All they did was reimplement an old system, albeit in a much shittier way. I'm referring to Beast Mastery, which used to be two seperate proffesions, Creature Handler and Bio Engineer. Heroic mobs sounds like they just jacked up the levels on a few creature spawns, or ripped off WoWs elite mobs. I can't comment on the collection system, because I'm not sure what that is, but if it has anything to do with loot, then it's no doubt the worse feature of the three.

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do. 

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Obraik, you know its getting close to the Fall time "SWG is closing" rumors, followed by the "It won't make it to Christmas" thread and then the ever funny "SOE loses the SWG license in Feb <insert year>"  post.  If anything, they are good for a laugh.

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Dont be a jerk m8. You have nuffin to lose from bashing all the "I have a friend posts" coz if they are wrong, you get to be an "internet hero". And if they are right, you can just have a nice time playing the new Starwars MMO. Win-win for you. Except ofc the jerk part   

I'm not saying I believe every "friend of a friends girlfriend" post, but a few are actually true (the most striking one top of my head ofc being that guy posting about the upcoming NGE).

*edit* 85k is much better then at least I thought, and it seems even ppl working on the game had lower numbers in mind haha. are those pure SWG subs only? no trials (ofc) and no station pass?

Originally posted by ormstunga

 

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

Dont be a jerk m8. You have nuffin to lose from bashing all the "I have a friend posts" coz if they are wrong, you get to be an "internet hero". And if they are right, you can just have a nice time playing the new Starwars MMO. Win-win for you. Except ofc the jerk part   

 

I'm not saying I believe every "friend of a friends girlfriend" post, but a few are actually true (the most striking one top of my head ofc being that guy posting about the upcoming NGE).

*edit* 85k is much better then at least I thought, and it seems even ppl working on the game had lower numbers in mind haha. are those pure SWG subs only? no trials (ofc) and no station pass?

Well, I talked to him about three weeks ago on Skype, since I'm overseas, when we started this project he's helping with, and had mentioned the 80k number (beacuse I had no idea he was working for SOE for the last year or so),  he didn't say one way or another if they were for SWG specific subs, or staion pass, but he did say that they weren't trials, so assumed the Station Pass numbers are completely seperate.

A few days ago we talked, finalizing some other stuff, and he said "My weekly report says subs are up 5k on SWG, and they were "happy" about it the Monday morning meeting, but we have no clue why", he went on to allude to the fact that with all the new product SOE is working on, SWG won't be sunsetted, but they'll pretty much have the "bug bash" and other game mechanics finalized by the end of the year, at which time it will basically turn into a "B ticket" on the Staion Pass ala Planetside.

Anyway, I could care less about SWG, and I'll tell you this much, either could the people at SOE truthfully.

SWG has been a thorn in thier side since launch, and I think they hope with all thier new products coming out, they will finally be able to put this "dog" down, it's like watching "Old Yeller" over and over and over again. lol

If I talk to him again, and hear anything differnt, I'll post it, but  I kinda get the feeling that people either don't believe, don't want to hear, or just plain don't care. when someone with inside info posts. It's still interesting to me though, since I really did love the old game, and think that if SOE had stuck with Raph's orginal vision, they would have those numbers alot higher now, becuase truthfully many gamers are just plain tired of the "WoW model"., and I think many would have migrated to the old game, if they'd ficed it, instead of constantly re-invinting it. My friend agreed completely btw.

One last thing he did say when I told him that the game used to be alot better (becuase he's only been there since right before the Rage of the Wookies which is what he was brought on for) he said, "yeah, we know that now" 

Wow, I just noticed they moved this to the veteran refuge.

That's kinda funny since it's current sub numbers, and I really only posted cause I saw the 5 page thread about Greypawns comments on the SOE boards.

Oh well, I guess they figure anyone who would  try and talk about sub numbers, must be disgruntled vet lol. 

Be glad they only moved it, lately they've been deleting entire threads.

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain.

That's not true. NCSoft puts out numbers on every game -- both income/profit, and things like # of subscribers, # of accesses per day, etc -- every quarter.

C

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Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do. 

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

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Originally posted by ajax7

 

Originally posted by Obraik

Heh, was waiting for someone to play the "I have a friend who works at SOE" card to be played :D

/yawn

 

I live in Texas and I have a friend who has a friend that lives in Austin and date a Gal at Bioware its not SWG.

Its something better Bioware is working on FIREFLY.

At least that what my friends, friend Girl friend says.

 

Man.. I wish.. firefly would make a great mmo universe, especially if they have space flight thats twitch based like swg has, which I am currently playing for lack of anything better out there (yes, i find swg to be one of the more complete/complex mmo's, even if it has its own issues such as limited scope - too small of a scale for the game board and stock class structure.. the content is nice and deep tho)

Edit:  As for swg numbers.. not sure about the other galaxies but on Bria there always seems to be a pile of people in the major cities, often with running pvp battles (especially at restuss) - just need more pvp pilots :)

there were lotta ppl commin' back to check chapter 6 out and that explains a temporary spike in sub numbers.. I wanna see an update for next month when the novelty settle down and it's back to normal... 50ish or so heheh

Yes NCSoft do but they are a PLC, so its a requirement. And they are the only ones who do.

Well, CCP is advertising "currently online" numbers real time on their public website...

Anyway, if people aren't interested in the OP's "rumors", I am.

Originally posted by DarthMaulUK

He can't give you numbers because the whole genre just doesn't give out this kind of data. Its not in the public domain. And I have said time and time again who cares about the numbers? Just because Galaxies doesn't have 5million + playing like warcraft and just because it's no where near the 300k playing at launch - who cares?! WHO CARES?!

Since Galaxies launched back in 2003, so many more MMOs have come to the market and you expect decline after this period of time. I really am getting sick to death of people who clearly don't play the game and just login and post crap, as they have nothing better to do. 

The game has never been more fun! Get over it!

I could get behind the sentiment here... that a lot of people who don't play the game should probably just move on... but you have to understand that asinine comments like, "The game has never been more fun",  are exactly the kind of blatant bullshit that people feel the need to refute.  It's fine if you like the game as it is, but it pales in comparison to it's former self.  When you say that the button mashing POS with one class in different outfits is better than the skill-based system of diverse classes and races that it once was, then you are either a liar or a fool...  Maybe even a little of both.