Originally posted by maledicta777

  Shrug. 

shrug

Originally posted by mylin1

I hate the p&c

P&C worka fine for 2D isometric views, it's an idiotic game mechanic for a 3D environment but many Asian MMORPG companys refuse to evolve out of this stupid idea because they refuse to change even when it's an improvement. 

I tried the beta test and P&C works as lousy as you would imagine it would work.   Lots of fun trying to go up stairs when they're too high for you to click on the top.   

I have a basic rule, if the MOVEMENT mechanics of a game are clunky there's NOTHING that can help it.   Auto Assault is another example of developers who ignored something as basic as movement.   I wouldn't be surprised if this game follows Auto Assault's path down the drain. 

Originally posted by zaxxon23

I just won't play any game that has any sort of no-drop, or bind on pickup.  Bind on equip is fine, but bind on pickup completely ruins games imo.

The faults in graphics and game mechanics aside, either is pleasing, or brings about displeasure to anyone that loads up an plays. You pick.

The flaw i see is an obvious one, and that's the billing system. They cut their throats even before they started. Bringing out an item mall in a pay to play game... So you pay monthly and know the whole time if you want the rest of the game ( parts used to stock the item mall) you have to dish out  many more dead presidents and Maybe if you've spent enough you MAY experience the full effect of the game. Which is unlikely, by design, if you became satisfied you wouldn't spend anymore money.

Personally I'm no sucker ( I'm a licker ). So i will never play this game. And from what i experienced in closed beta, i ain't missing anything. Besides i own guildwars, i get wsad controls with 8 characters just fine if i wanted to.

Look at how hard archlord hit the wall with this type of billing system, they lasted what 2 months by the most.

As for Asian gamers, they are really no different then American gamers. They like the same game play and customizations as we do. And yes they are sick to death with the shabby force fed grind mmo's out just as we are.

Folks stuck on the ethnic trip arnt  really experienced gamers. There is a silent code, either your a gamer or your not, just as your a noob or not and either your a jerk or your not or you just plain out don't get it.

Racial lines have no place in the gaming scene plain and simple. And if you make it an issue then your a noob jerk that just doesn't get it.

Hmmm no character customization, only 5 classes, and room for 32 ? characters in your house ? Someone explain this to me LOL

Also this is an asian thing.  If the asians cared for cutomization this kind of crap game wouldnt be the number 1 thing on the market.  Along with 10 others with slightly better options.  If Grind wasnt something they liked than every asian game wouldnt be so heavily into it.

I's very easy to be PC about this and believe every racial and ethnic group wants the same thing, but facts speak for themselves.

This game is fun til lvl50ish then the grind becomes unbearable.  You pretty much are forced to afk level to see any progress. Yawn.

Originally posted by diarheasauce

this thread is a good read and i am playin this game, its not that good but when u can make your sister mad hawt and stare at her booty while u play , def GROUNDBREAKING MMO INNOVATION along wit the POINT AN CLICK WOOOOOOO

But as far as the game is concerned, I found it to be very 'pretty' for a free MMO. Scenery and surroundings were decently developed and generally well rendered. I personally don't care for the 'zoom-in' when you speak to quest givers as it reminds me too much of certain console games which i played to death but that's just me.

I found the combat tedious and/or tiresome. I can see where teaming a group of toons for each player might make the game more fun, sometimes you can't find a group when you want to, but isn't part of grouping interacting with other people? Sure, you want to 'get the job done' but it's hard to feel like part of a group when it's you grouped with...you...grouped with you...

While you are playing (not AFK playing) Point your main toon at the next guy and slam away. Let the two 'hangers-on' family members do whaever they do automatically. It was easy enough to use but to me it felt like a sanctioned 'bot'.

The music wasn't entirely terrible but at the moment once you've heard a few minutes, that's enough.

All in all, while I didn't feel like I had completely wasted my time in downloading and playing it to try it, I find SofNW something I wouldn't and couldn't ever invest more than a trial run in.

Originally posted by rayehino

Wow Mal sounds like the ultimate white redneck.  Dont watch TV since half the parts are made over seas.. doesnt use a car or any modern age appliance since they are made from over seas.  Just shaves with a buck knife, wears diapers of cow hide.  naturally they kill the cow themselves... must not live in a house since lumber is imported and god you know they cant be on a computer since half the circuits and boards are made in asian countries.

WOW Mal is so anti asian but naturally they arent using any asian based items.. i mean that would be just profane to such a moron.

Opps is that a Motorola Modem.. better smash it...

 

What a hypocrite ... dont speak about stuff when half your life and your personal use is made from overseas.. moron

A bit over-dramatic.  Maybe you learned that from terrible anime? *gasp* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *gasp* *pull out oversized weapon* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *overly expository dialogue with DEEP DEEP philosophical meaning* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds*

OMG!! POWER LEVEL 9000!!!

Originally posted by maledicta777

 

A bit over-dramatic.  Maybe you learned that from terrible anime? *gasp* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *gasp* *pull out oversized weapon* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *overly expository dialogue with DEEP DEEP philosophical meaning* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds*

 

OMG!! POWER LEVEL 9000!!!

Also I see that you gave up on trying to prove your point on how gameplay and character customization can go together, and are now posting random crap.

It seems he has watched a lot of bad anime and is taking it out on the genre as a whole.  Very mature.

Originally posted by devilsin

 

Originally posted by maledicta777

 

A bit over-dramatic.  Maybe you learned that from terrible anime? *gasp* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *gasp* *pull out oversized weapon* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *overly expository dialogue with DEEP DEEP philosophical meaning* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds*

 

OMG!! POWER LEVEL 9000!!!

Someone has been watching too much dragonball z in their childhood?

 

Also I see that you gave up on trying to prove your point on how gameplay and character customization can go together, and are now posting random crap.

As for my original point, I said what I wanted, and because people want to be able to play on their crap computers, it is supposedly IMPOSSIBLE to have gameplay and customization.  I just spent 1200 upgrading my comp, and I'm ready to use it.  Instead, the Asian market caters to the lowest common denominator.  Guess I'll give the computer a nice workout when AoC and Warhammer is out.  Oh yeah, but enjoy the crap that is handed to you from Asia, you LCD people you...

Oh, and I would have had no idea what the Power level 9000 crap was if not for a roommate that enjoys ALL of the anime crap and attempts, on a daily basis, to get me to like it as well.  How did you freaks know it?  Cause ya love it... yes you do... oh, yes you do...

- Mal

way to get off topic lol

Well so far...downloading was complete hassle and unsuccessful till i tried the bit torrent (which i had to download). That worked.....of course stil can't play because they have not sent the email verification, thou i've asked for them to resend it.

Looks great! Review sounds great! Is it great?? Don't know, Can't say!

And have no intention of paying for it till i can try it out.

Originally posted by maledicta777

 

Originally posted by devilsin

 

Originally posted by maledicta777

 

A bit over-dramatic.  Maybe you learned that from terrible anime? *gasp* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *gasp* *pull out oversized weapon* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *overly expository dialogue with DEEP DEEP philosophical meaning* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds*

 

OMG!! POWER LEVEL 9000!!!

Someone has been watching too much dragonball z in their childhood?

 

Also I see that you gave up on trying to prove your point on how gameplay and character customization can go together, and are now posting random crap.

Dragonball Z is simply the extreme among many extremes of the genre.  Oh, and most of you anime fanboys LOVE DBZ.  What does that say?

 

As for my original point, I said what I wanted, and because people want to be able to play on their crap computers, it is supposedly IMPOSSIBLE to have gameplay and customization.  I just spent 1200 upgrading my comp, and I'm ready to use it.  Instead, the Asian market caters to the lowest common denominator.  Guess I'll give the computer a nice workout when AoC and Warhammer is out.  Oh yeah, but enjoy the crap that is handed to you from Asia, you LCD people you...

Oh, and I would have had no idea what the Power level 9000 crap was if not for a roommate that enjoys ALL of the anime crap and attempts, on a daily basis, to get me to like it as well.  How did you freaks know it?  Cause ya love it... yes you do... oh, yes you do...

- Mal

Originally posted by Secrom

Originally posted by zaxxon23

I just won't play any game that has any sort of no-drop, or bind on pickup.  Bind on equip is fine, but bind on pickup completely ruins games imo.

You can safely try pretty much any MMO out there besides WoW.

From what I've experienced, guild wars has binding, vanguard has binding, eq1 and eq2 have binding, and probably others that I haven't played.  So although I wish what you said was correct, I don't think it is.  :(

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

Originally posted by maledicta777

 

Originally posted by devilsin

 

Originally posted by maledicta777

 

A bit over-dramatic.  Maybe you learned that from terrible anime? *gasp* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *gasp* *pull out oversized weapon* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds* *overly expository dialogue with DEEP DEEP philosophical meaning* *stare at opponent for 20 seconds*

 

OMG!! POWER LEVEL 9000!!!

Someone has been watching too much dragonball z in their childhood?

 

Also I see that you gave up on trying to prove your point on how gameplay and character customization can go together, and are now posting random crap.

Dragonball Z is simply the extreme among many extremes of the genre.  Oh, and most of you anime fanboys LOVE DBZ.  What does that say?

 

As for my original point, I said what I wanted, and because people want to be able to play on their crap computers, it is supposedly IMPOSSIBLE to have gameplay and customization.  I just spent 1200 upgrading my comp, and I'm ready to use it.  Instead, the Asian market caters to the lowest common denominator.  Guess I'll give the computer a nice workout when AoC and Warhammer is out.  Oh yeah, but enjoy the crap that is handed to you from Asia, you LCD people you...

Oh, and I would have had no idea what the Power level 9000 crap was if not for a roommate that enjoys ALL of the anime crap and attempts, on a daily basis, to get me to like it as well.  How did you freaks know it?  Cause ya love it... yes you do... oh, yes you do...

- Mal

Unfortunatly for you, Those with lower end computers pay just as much money as you do, except that there are about 5 low end computer owners to 1 high end computer owner. its also hilariu how you keep telling the "asian market" caters to the lowest common denominator, especialy after you claim that "Warhammer" will give your computer a nice work out. Go take a look at the movies and screenshots of WAR. Does that look like a game that is trying to go for high end computers? Ofcourse not, just like WoW, City of Heroes and many other WESTERN MMO's, it caters to low end computers.

 

warhammervault.ign.com is "guessing" that the requirements for Warhammer Online will be, based on the engine used:

3GHZ Processor
1GB of Ram
NVIDIA 7600+ or ATI X1000 series video card
Physx card is recommended but not required
Roughly 10gb of Hard drive space.

Probably the recommended, not minimum.  I doubt many will run at that speed, so you'll have to scale down.  You really shouldn't look at pre-beta screenshots and make uneducated replies.  But I've read your blog, so I don't expect much more.

I've read through the minimum requirements of asian games, and I have a friend who plays Final Fantasy XI on his crappy laptop.  While on the other hand Warcraft, even on minimum settings, will slow down to a crawl if you have a crappy system and more than 15 people on the same screen (ask a friend of mine how big pvp worked for him - DooD!! You're dead!!! I am? That sucks. Oh crap, I am!).  I guess they just expect more from systems. 

So yeah, Warhammer will expect more, Age of Conan will expect a lot, and you're an idiot.

- Mal

wow, man, do yourself and don't post in this thread again. your only humiliating yourself.

1: If thats the Recommended system requirements, then that is the undeniable proof that WARHAMMER is a low system requirements game, because considering that Warhammer will be released in 2008, the standards are much higher. Heck, even by today standards those specs are average, not high end.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZimtllqjS3g

Thats what a high end system MMO looks like in 2008. Oh by the way, thats an Asian MMO.

Next, While Warhammer may be in beta, the screenshots are there to promote the game. They are polished and the screenshots are taken from areas that are FINISHED. it does not matter if they beta or alpha screenshots.

Thanks for comparing FInal Fantasy XI and World of Warcraft, because it once more shows that you don't really know what your talking about:

Fact: Final Fantasy XI was released in MAY 2002! World of Warcraft is released at november 2004, thats a time difference of well over 2 years.

Fact: Final Fantasy XI was restricted because it runs on the Playstation 2.

Its silly to compare the two. Please don't go into debate with me, you only make yourself look stupid. Next time do us all a favor and just type : "I don't know what I'm talking about". saves a lot of time.

Originally posted by Iijs

The game is viciously boring and repetitive. Set up at your spawn -- any spawn will do -- and then one of your three characters runs around picking up loot. That's pretty much it. Once in a while, an AOE if the somewhat random spawn rate gets a little hot.

There's a reason they wanted a five-minute disconnect timer on the auto-defend. People tend to play this game AFK. Even at 30 mins, most people will be running on auto pilot.

I just don't see the point.

This game is no less boring and repetitive than any MMO. People complain about mindless grinding, and then when a company makes a game where you can go on auto defend for awhile and get some xp a whole other group a bitching erupts. Also, if thats how you played the game then you were in areas below your lvl and ability. It shouldnt  take a genius to know when it's time to move on. As to the timer for auto defend... you can toggle it off in options. If you cant see the point, then why do you play MMo's at all?

Regardless of where we fall on the whole anime or asian MMO spectrum I think we can all agree that we gamers want more out of our MMORPGs. More creative quests, way less grinding, intuitive crafting, a balance between good graphics and system performance. I totally agree with Mal when he says we should all demand more out of developers making the new gen MMORPGs.  I for one believe that for a genre ( MMORPGS) that has been around as long as it has, there should be more evolution in gameplay than there has been historically. 

Originally posted by Gameloading

wow, man, do yourself and don't post in this thread again. your only humiliating yourself.

 

1: If thats the Recommended system requirements, then that is the undeniable proof that WARHAMMER is a low system requirements game, because considering that Warhammer will be released in 2008, the standards are much higher. Heck, even by today standards those specs are average, not high end.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZimtllqjS3g

Thats what a high end system MMO looks like in 2008. Oh by the way, thats an Asian MMO.

Next, While Warhammer may be in beta, the screenshots are there to promote the game. They are polished and the screenshots are taken from areas that are FINISHED. it does not matter if they beta or alpha screenshots.

 

Thanks for comparing FInal Fantasy XI and World of Warcraft, because it once more shows that you don't really know what your talking about:

Fact: Final Fantasy XI was released in MAY 2002! World of Warcraft is released at november 2004, thats a time difference of well over 2 years.

Fact: Final Fantasy XI was restricted because it runs on the Playstation 2.

Its silly to compare the two. Please don't go into debate with me, you only make yourself look stupid. Next time do us all a favor and just type : "I don't know what I'm talking about". saves a lot of time.

Yeah, Huxley is definitely an attempt in the right direction.  Especially running the Unreal Engine (Cary, NC).

As for Warhammers requirements, no, they don't shift THAT much in only a year.  They haven't shifted that much for the Asian market in 5 years (as you will see below).  And yes, beta shots change, considerably.  We could see that in early screenshots of WoW, and the changes that have been going on with AoC, which has changed considerably. 

Final Fantasy XI was mentioned in passing, grouped together with other Asian MMO's... like:

Archlord (10/6/06)
 Minimum Requirements
- Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP
- Pentium or Athlon 700MHz CPU
- 128Mb RAM
- 1.8Gb Hard Disk Space
- 16 bit DirectX 9 compatible soundcard
- Supported 32Mb graphics card

Flyff (12/25/05)
Minimum Requirements:
PentiumIII 800MHZ
128MB RAM
Geforce 2mx 200
Direct X 9.0 or better required

Guild Wars (4/26/05)
minimum requirements:
PIII 800
256MB RAM
500MB HDD
32MB video card

Kal Online (11/6/04)
P3 with 600 MHZ
128 Mb Ram
16 Mb Video card
DX 9.0c

Rappelz (11/03/06)
Pentium-III 800MHz     
128 MB 3D accelerator VGA card     
512 MB     
DX 9.0c

And Final Fantasy XI has at least the same requirements as these 'newer' games, and newer by 3 years.  It happens to surpass several of them. 

Yeah... so, you actually have a blog that talks about this stuff?  Do people trust your opinion?  Should I hand out my email address so people can come to me for advice when you fail them miserably?  Just checking cause I'm not sure if  you're really arguing that Western games have less requirements or that they can't be turned up to demand more?  I mean, really... are you? 

- Mal

 p.s. Thank you Darksider25 for your agreement, especially in your first post to MMORPG.  Welcome to the mad house!