You can't group EQ1 and EQ2 as a single choice, they are completely different.

Horizons is still the best and it's not on your list.

orig SWG crafting system :)

gotta be one of the best

Originally posted by Venger

UO followed closely by Horizons.

Dito!

yea precu crafting for swg was the bomb, i've never seen anything like it

Originally posted by Samuraisword

You can't group EQ1 and EQ2 as a single choice, they are completely different.

Horizons is still the best and it's not on your list.

Sorry about that, I have not played them, but felt I had to add them as they are so well known and popular with the old guys. My first MMO was WOW, so I am a relative newcomer (about two and a half years of play)

Originally posted by Caldrin

orig SWG crafting system :)

 

gotta be one of the best

Does this mean current SWG system is bad, or only inferior to the old SWG system? Do you still like the current one and is it fun?

A tale in the desert gets my vote, disguised as other...

You should check out the forums in the SWG thing on this site, and check out the topics in Veterans refuge.  Some topics are just people ranting, but others have some pretty good debates going.  But the basics is that Sony Online Entertainment put a ton of patches since the release, i don't really know why, but some were good and others bad but nothing really changed everything too much. But then they implented a combat upgrade or CU system which completely revamped the combat, this ticked off alot of people, including me who like the original combat.  ANd then later they did something with NGE i don't know alot about that though since i wasn't playing.  But thats the background, actually, i don't know the site but i've heard that some guy actually has taken the precu SWG and put it on his own servers, they're pretty empty i think, but if ur interested in combat at all u should check it out.

Also, i forgot to mention, Second Life has a creation system, i wouldn't say crafting since it requires programming.  But its pretty cool to see what people can do, but i would try teen second life, since the adult second life is filled with perverts in some areas just don't even bother with it.

I voted swg. Not sure how it is today, but in the original swg it was a very good system. Not only the crafting process itself, but also how it was visual backed up. That you could se a 3d-moel how the final item would look like and not just a picture of a item that have nothing to do with how it really will look like in the end.

EQ2 have a not so bad crafting process, but it lacks any customization to the item. You can just assamble the exact described components to generate a fixed item with varying success (normal items or differnt degrees of failure).

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Originally posted by impulsebooks

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Originally posted by Caldrin

orig SWG crafting system :)
 
gotta be one of the best

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Does this mean current SWG system is bad, or only inferior to the old SWG system? Do you still like the current one and is it fun?

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SWG was best. Played as a crafter (architecht) for 1 year long and never bored.

Originally posted by Samuraisword

You can't group EQ1 and EQ2 as a single choice, they are completely different.

Horizons is still the best and it's not on your list.

I've heard quite a few people say the same thing about Horizon's crafting system. I tried the demo to see for myself, but I quickly lost interest in the game.

What's unique about it?

Other: Horizon

Followed by Neocron, least back when I played.

I favor systems were you can make the same item in many different ways, imbue, enchant, expand or whatever, systems like EVE is way way down on that list because there is only one possible outcome of said item, higher skills will only make items cheaper and/or faster to create.

Hell, even a hull paint would pick eve up from the bottom in this regard, as far as I am concerned it is not even crafting, it is manufacturing, wich I suppose is how it should be.

SWG then Horizons for me.

I think SWG had the best hands down while crafting in Horizons was also pretty in depth and interesting, and dare I say fun. Ok it wasn't that fun but still there were lots of options and I loved putting crafting skills to use to build houses, rebuild that elf city (Feladan?) and lugging out mats to the wilderness to build an entrance to portals to these islands to eventually unlock that race(Satyrs?). Also armor dyes were pretty neat.

I think its an oxymoron to say "best crafting system". All crafting stinks and should be written out of every game. 

But realizing that some folks like it (for reasons that I can't even begin to understand) I would have to say that my favorite (if I had a favorite) would be EvE's just because it seems terribly relevant to the game world. (don't confuse relevance with fun).

Back to slaying Dragons....

I just got in from work and checked the poll. 99 votes in and SWG is the clear winner.

Thanks for taking part in the vote and posting.

I have to say runescape has the best crafting system on any game that I have played (not saying it is THE best but it is the best i have seen). So i voted other.

 I voted SWG too. However this poll is skewed, most people probably havent even played a 1/3 of your list, and If they have -they did not play them extensively enough to know. Either way I thought the crafting system was rather fun and unboring. With a player driven economy at the time, especially in the begining when people needed a good crafter for top weapons that werent available yet. This was by far better than the grind fest of EQ2 for me, or the mindless click of a button in WOW.

Originally posted by Produde

 

Originally posted by Jopl

I would say Ultima Online. Why? Because you were free to do anything. You could chop a three, make a stool and sit on it. You clould mine some iron, and make a sword. And you were actualy able to sell those items (as people needed swords and furniture and so on...), not unlike, for example, in WoW, where crafters can make the best usable items only for themselves (almost all of 'em) so there's no way they can make any profit out of it.

So, UO for me, there is.

Your statement regarding WoW is not entirely accurate. High lvl Armor sets, Jewelry and Pots that can be made and sold all via the AH, some for huge profit.

 

That's just 3 for example there are many more....

Yeah, I agree here with you... but these are mostly small things, like you said, pots, jewels... aye, a good armor can be craftable (mostly for cloth users) but  for me as a plate user, I need a Blacksmith skill to use all of it's bonuses (silly), and look at the weapons that Blacksmiths are able to do for themselves. They're awsome. Lots of people would want that, I bet. And look at the special enchants that Jewelcrafters can make, again, only for themselves. And that includes Alchemists, that can make a lot of thing for, yes, you guessed, themselves. I really see no point in here. I have Engineering and Mining for about two years now, and if I would want that new enchants  that only Jewelcrafter can make or that new weapons that are limited to Blacksmiths, I would have to teach myself a new profession all over again. And that's what I don't like. For example, every single item that I made in UO (at least four years ago or so) was usable by everyone and I was able to sell it to anyone. A small stool or a big dinning table. Or a wooden pony. Or... a fork. And that's what I miss in these "modern" games. We should be able to help each other. You know, I give you a pig, you give me a prosciutto. 

Originally posted by Samuraisword

You can't group EQ1 and EQ2 as a single choice, they are completely different.

Horizons is still the best and it's not on your list.

I voted other, although SWG crafting is awesome.

Horizons has the best crafting system in any fantasy game, too bad everything else was lame, except character creation. SWG would be best non-fantasy, but they both were stellar.

Now, if I could have Horizons crafting, and EQ2 gameplay, I'd be set...