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Originally posted by havocthefirs

   After reading the article, paying particular interest in the PVP section, I noticed how items were dropped from the other players when they were defeated. I also noticed how the items dropped were  NOT opposing player property. So what we have here is just another game with a 0 risk factor, which adds up to a 0 excitement factor. No thx, I'll pass.

This statement doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather get stuff and be satisfied then lose stuff and be frustrated. Risk doesn't equal excitement, I played DAoC for years and they had no risk in PVP yet it was extremely exciting, heck, sitting at a wall for 2 hours fighting albions on the other side is probably some of the most fun I've ever had in a MMO. Certinaly not losing exp or anything else.

Before watching some vids I totally ignored WAR thinking it would be another WOW no more. Now, the more I read the more I thin "wow, they REALLY think about how to make a game fun". Experience for PVP, loot from players but not theirs, I mean, wow, this is what I was waiting for so long. I am really in awe. I was always torn between good PVE games and good PVP games and never had it all in one game.  Sounds all quite cool. 

Originally posted by Urza123
Sounds like he was having fun, although the whole golden "!" over the NPC to demonstrate the quest is a WoW concept, I think they need to come up with something different.

I hope the PvP will be as good as he says it is !

The golden ! comment bothered the heck out of me.  Here's what is actually over their heads.

OMG!! i realy wanna play this game!! I love PVP!

I have faith in Mythic concidering they have the best PvP system in the business! I'm just tired of waiting to play the game, but please, take your time aqnd get it done right!!!

Originally posted by skotfarkis

Originally posted by havocthefirs

   After reading the article, paying particular interest in the PVP section, I noticed how items were dropped from the other players when they were defeated. I also noticed how the items dropped were  NOT opposing player property. So what we have here is just another game with a 0 risk factor, which adds up to a 0 excitement factor. No thx, I'll pass.

This statement doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather get stuff and be satisfied then lose stuff and be frustrated. Risk doesn't equal excitement, I played DAoC for years and they had no risk in PVP yet it was extremely exciting, heck, sitting at a wall for 2 hours fighting albions on the other side is probably some of the most fun I've ever had in a MMO. Certinaly not losing exp or anything else.

Uhm, I've never agreed with full or even partial looting in a PvP game simply because it attracts griefing to the Nth degree. I'm almost sure there will be people cheating in WAR or exploiting any possible aspect of the game they can to defeat the opposition. So allowing people to loot the enemies items, serves as nothing more than a frustration factor for the loser. If you get loot from their corpse, isn't that good enough? Why does taking what someone else gained a requirement for your satisfaction? Seriously, that kind of mentality of fun is unhealthy.

I am also a 4+ year veteran of DAoC and I've played enough of WoW to know what it has to offer and I'm only being honest when I say DAoC RvR has 10x more meaning then WoW's PvP. I'm not talking about BG's cause BG's have little to no role in the world. I'm talking about world RvR or PvP and if WoW fans think WoW PvP offers anything in terms of meaning, it's a flat out lie. WoW is a PvE game with PvP capabilities, thats all it is. WAR will turn that table around and up the ante by not only making it a truely PvP oriented game with meaning, but turn the PvE into a war effort meaningful task as well.

If anyones noticed, I never compare WAR to AoC cause I don't know jack about AoC. I compare WAR to the games Ive actually played and therefor I usually have references or points in my arguments /  debates. Too many folks who come here bashing WAR simply do so with no relevant knowledge of the game concept. We can agree with what some of them say because it's true, such as it has a lot of things carried over from previous MMO titles. Guess what, every MMO carries over ideas and concepts from previous titles, except maybe a rare few.

WAR isn't claiming to be a WoW killer or competition for AoC. WAR is offering what some of us wanted out of WoW or loved in DAoC. WAR truely does have a lot to offer PvP fans and I'm sure AoC does too. I'm just more familiar with DAoC, Mythic Entertainment and the design concepts they use. As for Funcom, the company behind AoC, well, I can't say Anarchy Online was anything to brag home to mom about, but guess what, I'm playing it right now. Its a fun game, now that its free and it's always nice to have a sci fi game that isn't about space. I just hope Funcom has a better launch with AoC cause AO launch was disastrous.

I agree with Rhoklaw 110%! I have played both DAoC and WoW apon release, so yeah, 6+ yrs playing DAoC. Most I can say about WAR is that for those of us who play(ed) DAoC, WAR would be the upgrade because no other MMO can match with Mythic's PvP system! WoW PvP is nothing more than world duels, with no charecter gains other than better gear, while DAoC you have the chance to fully maximize your charecters potential! As for other MMO's, well, if you can't scratch Mythic's PvP system, then there is no reason for me(PvP based players) to attempt to play it! JMO, cause I am sure there are some who do not feel this way, and many that do.

For the record, the golden "!" mark was not from WoW it was from Diablo, remember? :)  At this point, things like that have become standards like WASD movement.   Someone could make a game with ESDF or RDFG movement, but what's the point?   I'm less concerned with a company using something that works compared to a company that makes needless changes just to make it seem like they're doing something innovative. 

Originally posted by dalevi1

I am afraid I don't understand the hype behind this one at the moment. Everything he just described is currently in WoW. PvP is instanced and voluntary, there are PvP grounds with a range of group numbers, and even the PvP occupy scenario is a part of WoW. This may look better, but if the exclamation point is any sign....

Note, I am not bashing this game, I just can't help but think that some are going to be surprised with the similarities. If this "about WAR" than obviously is seems safe to say that WoW is about WAR as well. 

Any similiarities are understandable if you don't know much about WAR.    Check out the official (and very entertaining and informative) podcasts describing the game, there's a ton of great information about it. 

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/podcast/

Podcast #7 (the most current) is a good one to start, it describes the different types of quests in the game and you'll clearly see that they are VERY different from WoW's typical PvE grinding quests. 

Certainly the games might similar on the surface, particularly since Blizzard's games borrowed heavily Games Workshop's art style, but just like the art style if you take a closer look, you'll realize these games are quite distinct.  

I really like the sound of this game. At first I wasn't into the graphics and I'm not much of a PvP style gamer, so I marked this one off of my top game list, but after watching some of the pod-casts and hearing about the different styles of quests and all the stuff you can do without even getting into the PvP, I am really looking forward to it. Even the PvP sounds better than anything I've expirienced so far. Being rewarded for exploration, and not having to go into a town to level up reminds me a lot of my old days playing Asheron's Call. Back before the level cap raise and all of the buff bot non-sense. To be able to just wander off into the wilds with nothing but a stout heart and the lust for adventure, not having to find a PuG and grind mobs all day, or worry about some Pker killing me and stealing all of the stuff I spent weeks trying to get, honestly this game sounds great. I fear the character customization will be a little weak, and as in WoW all of the members of one class will wear pretty much the same armor as all the other members of that class, but I am just guessing there and my hope is that I am proven wrong. Even so, it should be a really fun game.

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