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AmazingAvery
 Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
6/22/07 4:25:32 PM#41
Originally posted by Xennith No offense but WAR boards are full of WAR = WoW2, most of us here don't agree with that. Not to mention WAR fans posting AoC's devs views - like wtf has that goto do with anything, and read the two links I put further up for WAR fans coming to AoC boards to BAIT for arguments. The only people obsessed with WAR are WAR fans. Its when you get immature postings that conflict arises because of some people's lack of knowledge to rise above and look past it. Browse thru the first 3 pages of thread titles in each board to see. This topic was on about hype rating which have already been discussed. You decided to troll here to give your say right - how does that help? Like I said the topics with lame baiting comes from WAR fans mainly in this section. Of course people are entitled to defend whatever they like. Hype is pointless.
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6/22/07 4:33:44 PM#42
if you think im trolling and want to dismiss my concerns and comments as such then that is your perogative. but if you think that was trolling, for the love of god never set foot in the WAR forums, you'd have to invent a new word for what goes on in there.
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AmazingAvery
Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
6/22/07 4:47:20 PM#43
Originally posted by Xennith
The fact is both games are made for different markets. The hype is what this particular community feels. If you was to read this section you would know plenty of features of AoC are talked about - hence the troll word again. Btw im sorry for saying the troll word ok! It was slack on my part. Birmingham City FTW!
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6/22/07 4:47:54 PM#44
Originally posted by ASmith84a) "it is not cartoony like wow and warhammer." Hmm... maybe because most things that dealt with warhammer and its lore in the past have been cartoony.... it might make sense that WAR would be cartoony... just a thought b)" it looks almost identical to wow. maybe it isnt" Wait LOL so is it or isn't it identical to WoW? This is pretty much your argument. c) "but it looks, feels, and plays like it." looks- I'm sorry they're sticking to their lore, blast them! feel- so when did you get into WAR beta, if at all? play -  So you did get into WAR beta?!d) if they been workin on it for so long why didnt they change it to be different? Because its called lore and GW. And if they tried to go against the lore, GW would have canned the project. e) plus the previous rts games of it were bloody and brutal with good noncartoony graphics what the hell happen? Ok bud those were RTS's, were on MMORPG.COM f) Yes, voting on a random game. One of the most hyped MMO's in development... a random game. Just like those 200,000 random people who signed up for beta in the first 10 days. p.s. I have enough MMO love to go around, and I'm gonna play AoC and WAR, without needlessy bashing either one. |
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6/22/07 4:53:18 PM#45
Originally posted by BaikalPlease read this and think ? "Not sure that Warhammer has gone far beyond that base audience" "That being said, I have little doubt that Warhammer will have a huge amount of subscribers, and could easily be the 2nd largest MMO in the US in a very short amount of time after it releases." The WArhammer base audience would not even push WAR to 2nd ... thus your first statement or your second is wrong. (IE they are conflicting). I liked Warhammer the table top game ok but never got into it was a battletech player, that being said i will play WAr and most people on the WAr forums seem to be mmoers not tabletoppers. "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine |
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6/22/07 5:37:09 PM#46
It's core base right now is where it's at, and hasnt made inroads into other areas beyond it's strongholds. (my opinion based on what I've seen, read, and observed) After release I fully expect it to make those inroads into other types of gamers who may not have been interested in the game. I.E.- People are going to like it, pass the word to their friends and they'll try it. (my opinion based on what I've seen, read, and observed) Do you need a more detailed roadmap to figure out how it does not conflict, or did you deliberately misunderstand it? Sorry, I'm just kind of amazed someone could be so obtuse. |
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AmazingAvery
Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
6/22/07 10:34:23 PM#47
Originally posted by Newmeanie "What is not to love about this game?" MMORPG: (Winner: Most anticipated MMO of 2006)
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6/22/07 10:36:14 PM#48
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
What i dont love about it is.......how far it is till it goes live. 
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6/22/07 10:58:03 PM#49
I have to say I was pretty impressed how much Age Of Conan has started the advertising blitz pre-game. They had a huge booth at Dragon-con in a primespot with handouts, replicas of Conan's sword / throne, etc. Played some demos there, got a lot of questions answered, and the crew was very friendly. The only reason I can think of Warhammer may have a stronger hype is that it was born in the gaming communities and people have played it in different versions/mediums for years. Conan may be more visible due to the movies and books, but in a gamer's forum, established games would seem to have the edge.
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AmazingAvery
Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
6/22/07 11:16:29 PM#50
Originally posted by goingwylde I can't wait for all the things that will come out of E3 next month. They also just had a good presence at DreamHack in Sweden. Nice sig btw - I've got a kermit like that, that is 28 yrs old lol.
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6/22/07 11:24:38 PM#51
Woohoo, I get to upgrade to Vista and micro-managed targeting. |
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AmazingAvery
Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
6/22/07 11:44:18 PM#52
Originally posted by Celestian how come your upgrading to Vista? Actually my up-to-date friend, I believe AoC is bringing many new things to the table in improving on those that are out there; In case you didn't know: To Quote a Friend: Items never before seen in other MMOs: Items that have been used only rarely, and are usually ignored by the average developer: Items that have been significantly improved over what is commonly seen on the market:
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6/23/07 10:09:02 AM#53
You know, since when does everyone only care about looks in a game? Sure AoC has the good looks and whatever u wanna call the combat style, but is that all you ppl look at? I'm not saying its going to be a bad game, cuz i know it'll do just fine, but the reason why i'm not looking forward to this is because it doesnt seem like it will last. I'm more hyped for WAR because I dont care about looks or M rating, i wanna have fun, and since when is PvP not fun. I'm sure anyone who played WoW will understand me when i say that I am dying to do some hardcore, meaningful PvP. Obviously i know AoC will have PvP, but at this point WAR seems more impressive. And also, all you people saying WAR is WoW are just thinking of an excuse to bad mouth WAR. If u actually saw the videos and read abou the game there is no way you could possibly think that. You probably just took one look at the graphics and said "OMG it looks like WoW!" AoC and WAR will be two very different games and it will be interesting to see which one draws more attention. OK im ready for the flaming now |
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6/23/07 10:33:51 AM#54
Originally posted by Newmeanie Why shouldn't be? O_o I don't find AoC really interesting. Is a nice looking game but that's it. The combat is too FPS for my taste, which in an RPG is a real turn off for me. Is that a crime? AoC didn't invent anything new, there is no need to be so surprised. For me in RPGs the joystick or mouse ability of the player should not make the difference in combat. Personally, what I like in MMORPGs is the developement of the character skills and abilities throughout his life. That and the Equipment should make the difference in combat, not how many joystick I smash each week. If I want a challenge between me and the Joystick/mouse, I play Unreal turnement. Lastly, I will buy AoC like I usually do with every major MMO, but I will play it for 2 or 3 months maximun, after that I am sure I' ll get bored. WAR for me has a more long term appeal, more reason to be in a guild, and more things to do, in short it has more RPG elements in it which I am sure will keep me playing it. But time will tell, I always keep an open mind on things, so if AoC will prove me wrong, I'll keep playing it fo course. But now, for what I read from the 2 games, WAR is the one that attract my interest.........and Gods and Heroes too.
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6/23/07 12:44:14 PM#55
This is where it's great that we can talk about different opinions! No, I dont think AoC really invented a whole lot that is new, but they've brought some concepts to MMO's, like the combat system that are new, so to me, that is reason to be pleased. Then they are also doing things like trying a different way to spellcast, doing quests in a slightly different manner, add it all up...
Well, this is both agree and disagree. AoC it's more about recognizing a weakness and being quick enough to exploit it. It's not the mindless whack-a-mole that we've seen in the past, and it's not some random "dice roll" that decides win or lose. Especially when you never see the roll, just the result. [quote]Originally posted by ste2000 Lastly, I will buy AoC like I usually do with every major MMO, but I will play it for 2 or 3 months maximun, after that I am sure I' ll get bored. But time will tell, I always keep an open mind on things, so if AoC will prove me wrong, I'll keep playing it fo course. Having 20 levels where you are in essence diving head first into the story appeals to me, as well as 14,000 feats to choose from, essentially 1,000 per class. That gives me hope that the way that I play my class might be different than the way someone else does. Uniqueness is good. As far as the other part, I'm no huge fan of item-centric grind fests like Everquest. If what you are wearing (i.e. spending more time playing) makes you a better player than the guy who is more intelligent, and understands how to play, then to me, it's an incredibly lame grindfest, much like EQ, or like WoW, where those who spend time raiding have a huge advantage in every phase of the game as compared to those who dont. The again, joystick mashing has nothing to do with it. Back to the dice roll/item centric grind fest again..yuck.
To me, with WAR, not as pressing a reason to join a guild, because the PvP really is everywhere. I can experience it without having to be part of a larger organiztion, now to be good at it, that might be something else. Besides, I cant imagine a more meaningless system for PvP. Take the capital city, and then watch the server reset so the battle can start again anew. So what's the real reason to get involved, even if you win, it's reset to fight again from scratch the next day or week anyhow? To me, pointless, of course I know others prefer it. With far less things to do, I'm not sure about WAR, I'll probably pick it up, in order to play with some old friends who were AoC fanatics, but I doubt I'll stick with it all that long, since to me, it's just a repetitive circle, with very little point to it. Who knows though, it may end up delivering a better experience for me than I'd expect, and then I'd want to stick around with it longer. Of course, that's just me keeping an open mind as well. See, sharing opinions with others can be fun, even when you disagree! |
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6/23/07 1:20:06 PM#56
Originally posted by flood950
Edit: Thanks Avery, I had been wondering where I left that post. No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. |
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6/23/07 1:41:48 PM#57
Well, it depends on how much more intelligent he is and how much harder it is to get his gear. I mean, if gear doesn't count for anything, or extremely little, you won't have to play as much. Ofcourse, every publisher wants their game to be played a lot... That said, I thought Age of Conan would become more skillbased than other MMOs (especially WoW - being the one I've played the most), since you have combos while fighting, not just special abilities. Unfortunately, in my opinion, you can set together your combos before the fight, leaving you back to wow-ish stuff where you just click some buttons that flash on the screen. I would be more pleased if you really had to learn combos, more like a console based fighting game (e.g. Tekken). This would really make the game more skillbased and less gear based, I think. Though, the fighting system is a huge step in the MMO world. Ofcourse, it's not new in gaming, but it looks like no other MMO I've seen. Hopefully it will draw more players console players as well, fighting like Tekken and avalible on Xbox 360.
I doubt it will be less possible with PvE raiding without a guild in AoC than it is in e.g. WoW. Ofcourse, you'll have to find a group of players that will raid with you even if you're not in their guild. But, yes, there are a lot of advantages from being in a guild (as a Master you can even get better pets), and I think it's great that you get some kind of advantage from being a more social person in game. -- |
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6/23/07 1:42:28 PM#58
Personally the more I read and hear I am starting to lean towards AoC over WO. I have a lot of friends that think WO will be the next great mmorpg. AoC to me seems like it will offer new cutting edge game play and combat style. Of course it is not in a genre of its own, but it does seem like the devs have really tried to make things different and have tried new things. With WO it seems like they have taken what has worked in the more modern mmorpgs and are trying to implement them into one game. Mythic has an excellent team. This is totally a hype call though, I have not beta'd etiher of these. My HYPE, they both will do good. AoC - 9 Looks solid and offers some ground breaking ideas with a "newish" theme. WO - 8.5 Looks solid and offers the best of what we have now with the same old theme.
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NightBandit
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/25/07
Make friends not money, then wealth will follow. |
6/23/07 1:58:44 PM#59
I do not really care about the hype, this is something which has creeped into our gaming world over the last few years. It is causing much damage to our communities in general. The reason for this is it makes people argue over trivial tripe, leaving the people on one side to either agree or disagree. The fact of the matter is I believe until the true facts of any game which come to fruition either during or after beta testing will go a long way to weather the game will be a success or failure.
It does not matter what these boards decide to guess what the game will do, they just milking folks to keep their boards active to gain revenue to fill their pockets. So I would like to point out having beta tested the AO game which is now free to play with funcom, It will be interesting to see if funcom are able to learn from their past failure of AO with AoC. Ok i hear you all say how can AO be a failure as it's been going for such a long time.
Well it's free, which means it either flopped or they are being very generous indeed. However if you speak to many of the players who left the game having beta tested and bought it, the develpoers failed to listen to their tester like many other MMO's have done recently too. So all I care about at the moment is that the new developers or if there are still some on the team from AO that they ignore any hype and work hard to listen to the current batch of testers.
Then it will not matter about any hype at all, but do not hold your breathe, as this too could end up like another Vanguard. Just because it is looking good does not mean it will be better or worse than WAR or vis versa.
My other comment which I have seen banded on here about they hope the wow players go to WAR, lets not beat about the bush, there are many wow players who choose to stay with wow as the other games out in the market are poor or for other reason they only know. So does that make them dumb? People fail to give credit to many of the folks who played and are still playing wow, there are some top people in that game who are switched on cookies. I played the game for a week and have to say it was not for me at all. Too fisher price for me. Fisher price is a game companies name for kids toys for young age about 8 and below in case you Americans do not understand what I meant.
So I reckon it's time we all started acting a little more mature rather than flamming the pants off each other and accept what might be good for some is not going to be other people cup of tea.
Bandit. 
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6/23/07 2:03:48 PM#60
neither WAR or AoC is all that special its funny you think one should be rated over the other. they are both pretty equal WAR will have mass appeal cause Age of Conan is gonna kill everyone's computers unfortunately |
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