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I think that PvP is a major part of what makes an MMORPG a MMORPG.

The way the Blizzard made World Of Warcrafts PvP is the best PvP system i have yet seen.

For the unfortunate games like Silkroad Online PvP is aloud anywhere and you are aloud to attack any level. This is absolutely stupid, because then lower levels cant train at all.

PvP should have a lvl cap so that you can only attack other players 10 levels lower for example.

These are my thought's on PvP.

I've posted this in another thread and wonder what other players think of it:

I'd like to play a FFA PvP game but I'm not a hardcore PvPer. My problem with FFA PvP so far is that I feel I'm just in a world full of murderers and there's no negative repercussion for playing a murderer (in any MMORPG I've played). If you're going to murder every character you see, just because you can, then you should pay the price for doing so.

I would like to see factions (a la EQ-style factions) mean something towards gameplay. Players should be able to gain/lose faction with certain NPC groups (and PC ones perhaps) based on their actions. If I help the centaurs of the Deep Forest then I gain faction with them. If I kill a centaur, then I lose it. If I donate some items or wealth to them, I gain. If I assist and save a centaur being attacked by another player I gain faction..and so on. It would be easier to lose faction than to gain it (it's easier for people to hate than to love).

If I have really high faction with the centaurs (for example) and another player kills me, THAT player will lose faction towards the centaurs (and maybe other NPC groups favourable to them). Having negative faction with certain groups will prevent me from certain actions (buying/selling with them, getting quests from them, etc). Having low faction with a large number of different groups would stigmatize a character, perhaps preventing him from grouping with other players.

Just as players could have positive/negative faction with NPC groups, so could player guilds. That way guilds would have to police its members to act within certain rules.

Players will still be able to kill who they wish but they will have to think twice before doing so. If a player pisses me off by kill stealing or ninja looting or whatever, I am free to exact vengeance, but I know it may affect my reputation with his friends.

Originally posted by Boltonsquad

I think that PvP is a major part of what makes an MMORPG a MMORPG.

The way the Blizzard made World Of Warcrafts PvP is the best PvP system i have yet seen.

For the unfortunate games like Silkroad Online PvP is aloud anywhere and you are aloud to attack any level. This is absolutely stupid, because then lower levels cant train at all.

PvP should have a lvl cap so that you can only attack other players 10 levels lower for example.

These are my thought's on PvP.

Well, I PvP to counter harassment, so PvP anywhere gives me motivation to train
Scenario 1) I played this one game called Kal Online where you couldn't kill anyone unless you had a pricey "assassin's mask". Once you put it on, you couldn't talk for an hour or buy anything and people got rewarded for killing you. This was all fine and good until I was peaceably training one day and someone tried to party me. I was all "No" because I'd have to split my nice exp, and the grind on that game was already intolerable without a SUPA MALL item that doubled your exp rate. So instead of leaving me alone, this idiot starts shooting the monsters that are attacking me and stealing my exp (note he/she/it's not taking any damage for the free exp). I sit to recover some energy and say some choice words and she comes over and teabags. I can't kill this idiot so I get mad and quit
Scenario 2) I play Ragnarok Online on a private server with PK anytime you want. I'm grinding peacefully at level 50 and get taken out by a level 150 Assassin Cross. I get mad and respawn in the city and go back to training so I'll get strong enough to pwn him. I see him again during a woe, and he kills me again. I get mad and go train some more. I see him in a dungeon one day when my character is level 200 and his is 190.
Now which one of these scenarios made training more worthwhile and easier to engage in? I'd rather be killed outright than grieved in other manners.
And from what I understand in WoW you have to walk up and "challenge" someone. I'd rather kill the person talking mess to me without their consent, plzthx.

There have been games that started out that way.. (runescape started that way) where the whole world was pvp.. but then it was just slaughter any noob that tried the game so they  made banks that were safe zones which then the game became everyone huddled in a bank and dared each other to set outside and whoever stepped outside died .. fast.  and others tried to grab their stuff and run back in lol.  The only problem with games that are entirely pvp is that it is not new user friendly and whoever starts the game first becomes more powerful than everyone else so no new people stand a chance. That is why those games die so fast then people get bored killing the same people over and over again and they go play something else. Runescape killed pvp which for most players ruined the game and they lost most of their veteran players with that decision.  Without safe zones to train in , it is very hard for new players to get started after the game has been out there a while. I personally would love a game that had massive pvp since the only thing that kept me playing runescape as long as i did was the massive wildy clan  wars where anything goes winner takes all, losers lose everything on them. I loved the chaos of hundreds of people being able to fight at once with anything possible able to happen, it was a shame they took all that out of the game because they are now catering to a kiddie cry babie crowd that cries and quits when they die. What I am looking for in a game is something that has the best of both worlds, combat and noncombat skills, high risk and low risk areas, areas with pvp same lvl, pvp any level, and massive multi combat pvp areas. But yes I want everything in the game because everyone has different moods. GIVE ME A GAME THAT HAS IT ALL!!@@! I want to be able to do anything and everything with one character in a game. even change appearance at will, and appearance ahs nothing to do with what you will and are able to do in combat .. I would love total unpredictability. The whole idea of you see a wizard you know what their strengths and weaknesses are so you know exactly what to do to counter and shut them down gets boring to me . I love unpredictability and chaos.. but that is soo hard to find these days in games. All these people making games that  have classes and force you to choose all the time gets so old that it makes me not want to play those games at all. I think character appearance and combat skills should be totally separate giving a higher level of unpredictability.  But it seems for the time being people who like safe nonviolence and predictable limited combat are more numerous than those who thrive on chaos.

For me, PvP = never an option.

I deal with harassment with = Instancing +  /ignore

Been /ignore has far worser consequences than any "faction" penalty someone would have for attacking me.  And, for me, having to type /ignore rather than face a battle I don't want is a lesser nuisance.

As soon as a game put ANY reward in a PvP zone, I don't play it.  It isn't fun to go in there to get my extra power at 4 AM or 7 AM, cause this is what will happen.  I will get it, I NEEEEEED it.  And you rather have me happy and playing the game when I want, rather than playing when everyone is logged off.  I don't play a game which force me to raid either, so 90% of the MMOs are trashed from start, make it easier to select quality games and recognize them.

Assuming I accept to play a game with PvP....

PvP-wise, I am skilled enough to kill gankers, but not anywhere close to been good or efficient.  Only gankers are weak enought for me to defeat in PvP, I almost always lost a /duel, and almost always kill a ganker (and he get teased by other PvPers as usually I play a tiny girl with a guildtag of Care Bears Inc...this guildtag protect me from most attacks, so I will stick with it if for any reason, I would play a PvP game)  Imagine that big and nasty looking guys, been hunted down up to the zone line by a tiny and fragile girl toon with the care bear Inc guildtag (yeah, I chase a ganker who think he can retreat)... I NEVER attack anyone, so again I prefer no PvP at all.    I prefer FFA PvP over faction PvP (not everywhere, as limited as possible)... And my strong PvE focus is usually enought to deter anyone on my side from ganking me.  As if the other side is lamely trying to gank me in big numbers, they often find themselves killed by their allies who just don't accept that someone with a guildtag of Care Bear Inc. can be ganked without consequences...but all this is way dependant on the players...I assume I could be unlucky and found a server full of gankers.  Again, I prefer FFA over faction, as my side is extremely unlikely to attack me ( I tend to get friends...or to get the pity factor...or they want to ask me a favor), and the other side may very well kill anyone a