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6/13/07 7:50:22 AM#21
Levelling is harder then Everquest2/WoW. Levelling in fact is closest to classic Everquest, at least the second half of the game is. The game starts out very easy up until level 20, so all the beta whiners think its the easiest game ever, and call it casual players heaven. The truth however is that after level 30 you hardly get any xp without doing quests, and all the quests become group content. Indeed in that sense the game is way more hardcore then WoW/Everquest 2 where levelling to the cap can easily be done solo. |
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6/13/07 7:51:52 AM#22
Its funny how much opinions of a game can vary in regards to things that seem like they would be static in certain areas but apparently are not.
I would never in a million years put hardcore anywhere near this game. It is probably the most casual MMO I have ever played and I have played quite a few. I have been playing MMO's since UO/AC and have played most of the bigger ones in between and I find this to be a very solid product. It is by no means the best I have played, nor is it revolutionary in any way, but like most players I cant grasp how someone can call it a WoW clone unless they only played until level 10. When I first started, my impressions were that it was WoW 2.0. But, I gave it a chance and now that I have been progressing and have taken advantage of the Deed/Trait system, working my way into the storyline quests, the similarities with WoW are few and far between. Some of the statements above about this are just baffling to me though. You by no means need to be a Tokien fan whatsoever, I havnt even read the books, of course have seen the movies though. Hardcore casual??? I dont even know what that is...thats a first..is that like "core"??? ..but I wouldnt put hardcore anywhere near this title, and I am not finding that most of the community are MMO newbies, most are older and have been playing these types of games for a long time now. I have no idea what the lasting power of this will be. I cant say that I will be playing when AoC and WAR are out, but each day that I play..for the mostpart I am enjoying this even more than the past. I think what it is for me isnt that there is any groundbreaking feature, there isnt any one thing that I could say this game does better than everything else out there. But, on the other hand there is nothing wrong with it either. Its just a fun, relaxing game to play. |
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6/13/07 8:04:02 AM#23
I am one of the few that do not enjoy it and I think each too his own played the beta test of it and did not find anything that made me feel like subscribing to it enjoy playing eve and find that has a lot more fun in it but I am looking forward too some new ones comming out |
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6/13/07 8:16:51 AM#24
Originally posted by MeridionExactly. I remember the first days of WoW man. Started almost the exact same as lotro. Lets give lotro 2 years of patching and see where they stand. |
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6/13/07 8:18:33 AM#25
Originally posted by flood950
Now compare this to WoW and EQ 2, those games you can easily level up to the cap just playing solo. Now at levelcap WoW and EQ do become more challenging, but in my opinion the "story" that LOTRO is so casual is only partually true. Yes, the first half of the game is casual heaven. After that it becomes hardcore because solo quests dry up and solo grinding does not produce XP. It becomes far more comparable to classic EQ or FF11 after level 30 then to WoW and EQ2 and other casual solo games. |
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6/13/07 8:25:15 AM#26
Originally posted by Conley Wait until the content patch is in place today(??) and see if that changes :) I have a strong feeling that it will. I also think, which was probably a mistake on my part, it just happens when discussing things of this nature, that I didnt define casual vs hardcore when I made that statement. To me, grouping is not really hardcore per say. How long are the group quests taking? They really are not that time consuming. Hardcore to me as far as questing is when you need a strong group of very balanced classes and need a minimum of 90 minutes or so to finish anything. Quests where you can group up quicky and get something done is still pretty casual IMO. Then there is the death penalty which goes along with it. Not dropping items when you die and needing to spend even more time, possibly in desperation trying to retrieve them is pretty casual too. Just depends on your idea of what defines hardcore/casual really, that discussion has come up at least a few times before! I still find this game extremely casual friendly, even if there is (currently) a lot of forced grouping at 30+. If you dont drop your valuables when you die and are basically forced to spend time getting them back, then its not very hardcore :) *which is a good thing for me* I had enough of that type of gaming in my younger days. |
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Meridion
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Joined: 6/22/06
None of you understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me! |
6/13/07 8:27:06 AM#27
QFT - I am level 35 now, just looked it up, 32 quests open, 25 of them are groupquests... And how can you, in 1 week, tell how the 30s quests are??? If you quit after one week you are either around level 20-24 or you have played 150 hours in this week... Please don't lie, everytime you lie, god kills a kitten
EDIT: Hell, who cares about hardcore. The only thing that still drives me to post on these threads is that I so totally know people will construct the image of this game as a "casual-happy-bunny-carebear-haven". Which it is not. It's in fact less carebear-easy-mode than WoW. I've played MMO since 1997, I've played MANY titles, I've played WoW for a longer time and I tell you guys, this game is a fully valuable game with more than enough content for everyone who enjoys (group)questing, Tolkien and RP (in order of importance). I would recommend NOT to buy this game only to PvP-lovers and core-sandboxers. If you enjoyed games like EQ, EQ2 and WoW, theres a high chance that you will like this game too. If you don't look for a totally new concept that is. Meridion |
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I remember in EQ2 how the the world was made up of "zones". It was kinda annoying to wait for all of the load times.... Does LOTRO work the way like EQ2 did ?(Zones) Or is all of the world "Connected"?
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6/13/07 9:45:04 AM#29
All connected. Though it has instances there is no zoning like in EQ2. |
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Haahaaahaaaa Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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Meridion
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Joined: 6/22/06
None of you understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me! |
6/13/07 10:44:35 AM#31
the world is very much, VERY VERY much not like EQ2 nor like WoW. The zones don't change from "happy serene wood with birdies and flowers" to "vast wasteland with deadly serpents and dry salt lakes" ...
The most amazing job they did with the world design - and you can probably only cherish this when you have read some more Tolkien, especially the history or Arnor and the northern kingdoms Rhudaur, Arthedain and Cardolan - is that they transported all the small details from the Tolkien world right into the game. The dividing range between the gulches of Angmar and the North-Downs, the serene hills in Breeland, the unnatural withering in the Lone-Lands and the former kingdom of Rhudaur. It's all there. If you've just seen the movies it will be like "kk, nice zone"... but if you like Tolkien you will be like "OMG, it's exactly like in the Forgotten Tales of Numenor and Middle-Earth"... Well and yea, even if you haven't read a line the world design is worlds apart (and ahead) of EQ2s, even ahead of WoWs or GWs. And I'm not overexaggerating. It truly is... Meridion |
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6/13/07 11:12:13 AM#32
I think people are mixing two thing here. Graphics and game play.
If You game FUN is good graphics and story lore, then Lorto is excelent game for You. If You want complex game play with good character possibilities and customation, Lorto is way too simple game for You. MMORPG.COM has worst forum editor ever exists |
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6/13/07 11:16:42 AM#33
LOTR = nothing new except Tolken setting(by design).Tis a place for WOW gamers to go.
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6/13/07 11:17:12 AM#34
Originally posted by Liliane I disagree..but someone has to disagree with everything here right :) I enjoy good graphics, I mean..who doesnt. But that isnt the game itself. I have always enjoyed the games considered "complicated", ACI being my favorite game of all time. I dont find LoTRo to be all too simple. I have been really enjoying going out of my way to complete each and every deed (it takes a long time and requires some dedication for darn sure) to get those traits to build up my character in the way I enjoy. That is a huge character possibility to me...its basically optional and will take up a lot of time to do, but its a potential to go for. I feel like a lot people saying its too simple just tried it during the World Tour up until lvl 15. I know this isnt everyone of course, some people are going to find issues with everything..but most of the simplicity seems to come from people that just didnt get that far into it. |
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6/13/07 11:18:33 AM#35
Originally posted by Arawon Strongly disliked WoW, loved AC/UO and now really enjoying LoTRo. Nice generalization there though, you win at that. |
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6/13/07 11:58:54 AM#36
I'm currently playing LOTRO and I think it's a great game! Very geared towards the casual MMOer. It has all the elements that I look for in an MMO. Good graphics, story, and gameplay.
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Im glad to hear that the landscape is much different from EQ2, WoW, etc. I've never really read the books, but I'm a huge fan of the movies!
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6/13/07 12:43:44 PM#38
These type of threads aren't very productive if you like the game its worth it if not then go play something else, simple.
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Meridion
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Joined: 6/22/06
None of you understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me! |
6/13/07 5:33:31 PM#39
Like I said before: I would cease posting on these threads every so often, but the game is distorted into some WoWish casual dream by people that have played for 3 weeks or even only the free beta. And for sure, up till level 15 its totally supereasy-mode.
But BEYOND this, when you get to 25, to 30, or even 40+ customization kicks in, a LOT more than in WoW, group content kicks in, kick-ass encounters take control (Garth Agarwen, Fornost, Carn Dum and following) and level-easymode - in terms of WoW or newer EQ2 - is just plain OVER. Of course, it doesn't get as hardcore as EvE or original UO... But in its own league of modern mass-PvE MMOs, it's becoming a challenge and a versatile game at upper levels. Example: trait system. The higher level traits are not "hey funny, something to do". They MAKE a difference. When I get wisdom rank 4, I get a willpower bonus of 17 (my overall willpower at level 34 is 104 (!!)). If I choose a different trait, I get a critical heal chance bonus of 2%. trait skills include teleports, new available armos classes, totally new, independend skills, weapon bonuses. And MASSES of this. It's actually more versatile than the WoW system. Of course, you cannot change a healer into a tank like in WoW, but this is intended. Turbine stated before that they wanted the classes to be versatile, but within their specific roles. Example: Minstrels can go down the path of support-dps/buff or the path of main-heal. A main healer is ALWAYS in the back healing the crowd while a support-DPS minstrel is in the front all the time. Of course you never get to be "the damage bard"... heck, but you play your character totally different. This whole concept of having your own class and speccing it beyond some cheesy statistics (and I've played a warlock, a rogue and a mage to 70 in WoW. It IS about cheesy statistics) while still maintaining your role is absolutely awesome. I would have LOVED to do this in WoW, not like "yay, if I go demonology I get some new pet and my curses are stronger" but actually having the choice to get a kick-.ass debuffer or a kick-ass close-quarter caster. These are things LotRO delivers, AND within a system that doesn't just hand you 51 talent points at level 60 but actually combines every trait with an actual accomplishment... and some are REALLY hard to get Meridion |
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It sounds confusing, but I guess when you would get the hang of it, it would be really fun. |
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