As this interview makes clear, as well as the Ten Ton Hammer interview, CCP clearly produces this game so they can have fun with it.

The ideal is for line subscribers to have fun with it; but if choices have to be made between CCP having fun, and we subscribers having fun, then present circumstances only verify that the line subscribers are just going to have to suffer so CCP and CCP friends can have fun at the expense of the line subscriber.

Don't tell me that having this greyshard development atmosphere is good for the game.  Recent events prove how harmful an unprofessional attitude can be in a P2P service.  This dumb philosophy of developer participation is going to continue getting in the way of making EVE enjoyable.  It's hanging like a shadow over the game, and I don't think it will ever go away until CCP starts to act like real professional distributors of an online service.  Knowing how stubborn CCP is though, I'd imagine they'd sooner close EVE then compromise for the good of the service for the people who pay.  It's a shame too, because EVE is too good of a game to suffer because of amaturish policies.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

As this interview makes clear, as well as the Ten Ton Hammer interview, CCP clearly produces this game so they can have fun with it.

The ideal is for line subscribers to have fun with it; but if choices have to be made between CCP having fun, and we subscribers having fun, then present circumstances only verify that the line subscribers are just going to have to suffer so CCP and CCP friends can have fun at the expense of the line subscriber.

Don't tell me that having this greyshard development atmosphere is good for the game.  Recent events prove how harmful an unprofessional attitude can be in a P2P service.  This dumb philosophy of developer participation is going to continue getting in the way of making EVE enjoyable.  It's hanging like a shadow over the game, and I don't think it will ever go away until CCP starts to act like real professional distributors of an online service.  Knowing how stubborn CCP is though, I'd imagine they'd sooner close EVE then compromise for the good of the service for the people who pay.  It's a shame too, because EVE is too good of a game to suffer because of amaturish policies.

"My experience at their offices has suggested to me (and I would pass it on to you to do with what you will) that the folks behind CCP and EVE Online are genuinely trying to make the game as much fun for its players as possible."

See the problem with that statement is which players are they committed to?  The players who are devs and dev friends, or the anonymous rank and file players like you and I?  You don't have a problem answering this question when there is a wall of separation between devs and players.

This is from the Ten Ton Hammer interview:

"Finally, we never felt that we were a corporation trying to sell a game. CCP was just a company that wanted to create a game that they wanted to play with the gamers."

As far as people taking the game too seriously, there is proof that five paid and non-paid staff of CCP are engaged in improprieties against the subscribers.  That's alright though, because as Magnus says, they aren't trying to sell a game to subscribers.  They just want to create a game they can play with people they consider "gamers."

All I know though is that the allegations are far more plausable then saying that there is an international conspiracy trying to undermine the game the conspirators play and pay for.  That's basically CCP's version in a nutshell, and it's no wonder why they are so paranoid.  Gamers, for reasons CCP will apparently never understand, want CCP to sell them a game, and quit trying so hard to influence the game in ways that consumers should be doing.

Quite obvious that the OP is not very familiar with  this game at all.   Nothing like spewing complete nonsense in a thread.

They had one incident last summer and nothing since.   Sorry you can make up all the conspiracy theories you want.  Seems the popular thing to do.   The problem is if you actually played the game, you would realize that all these made up theories are exactly that, made up nonsense.  Not one shred of proof has been presented by anyone.

Then you had to post this drival:

"As far as people taking the game too seriously, there is proof that five paid and non-paid staff of CCP are engaged in improprieties against the subscribers."

There is NO proof any where of anything such.  I get tired of refutting this muckraking, especially when no one can provide even the existance of the smoking gun.

So slander CCP if you must, but you are just another in a long line of whiners with no leg to stand on.

You tire of it because it isn't muckraking.  You tire of it because everyone who isn't tied to CCP has seen the evidence from Goon, Kugutsumen, et al, and it confirms what most everyone already knew.

Originally posted by Ciredric

Quite obvious that the OP is not very familiar with  this game at all.   Nothing like spewing complete nonsense in a thread.

They had one incident last summer and nothing since.   Sorry you can make up all the conspiracy theories you want.  Seems the popular thing to do.   The problem is if you actually played the game, you would realize that all these made up theories are exactly that, made up nonsense.  Not one shred of proof has been presented by anyone.

Then you had to post this drival:

"As far as people taking the game too seriously, there is proof that five paid and non-paid staff of CCP are engaged in improprieties against the subscribers."

There is NO proof any where of anything such.  I get tired of refutting this muckraking, especially when no one can provide even the existance of the smoking gun.

So slander CCP if you must, but you are just another in a long line of whiners with no leg to stand on.

"You tire of it because it isn't muckraking.  You tire of it because everyone who isn't tied to CCP has seen the evidence from Goon, Kugutsumen, et al, and it confirms what most everyone already knew."

I really have to laugh at ill-informed posters that use totally debunked sources like Kugutsumen or the goons.  Basically just confirms your troll status as you offer nothing new to the topic, just repeat nonsense posted by others.

I have played EVE Online for some time but only in a casual way as I never really had the time to be hard core with it. I wasn't too bothered by the allegations as I was more bothered by the institutionalized cheating that they had developed.

The idea that it is a cold cruel universe and to buyer beware is all fine and good but what do you do when CCP sets things up to make it easy for someone to scam another player but not provide any method of retribution? To simply say that a market is a buyer beware market isn't cutting it in my opinion. If someone puts up for sale something that isn't what they claim it to be then there should be a method to punish that indivdual. Possibly a rating system. Possibly hunt them down and kill them. Possibly a merchant enforcement squad. The current implementation means that a significant portion of contracts in EVE at the moment are designed not to simply make money but to defraud people. For me the result is that you have to wade through page after page of scams and if you fail to spot a problem in a contract then the only thing you can do is ignore future contracts from that indvidual.

If they want to introduce PvP to the capital markets then CCP needs to provide an avenue of retribution for those that scam. Otherwise they need to clean it up.

For me it was enough to have me cancel my accounts and to leave the game. Just got tired of all the bullshit in the game because of this attitude of CCP.

Also a slight comment on the number of people playing Eve Online. There might be 100,000 or even 200,000 accounts but the number of people playing the game actively is probably under 20,000. You seldom see more than 20,000-22,000 players online at any one time and many of these people are running multiple accounts. They have an account for PvPing, one for Empire space, possibly they have a miner and/or a hauler alternate. What it means is that for Eve Online the number of accounts definitely does not represent the number of people playing the game or the number that might be online. This is true of many RPGs but Eve easily has more players owning multiple accounts than any other game that I have played.

Note also that with 20,000 players online that in many regions the game becomes very fragile. Yes it's one big server but the game really can't handle that many people online and in the same area at the same time. If everyone online flew to Jita I suspect that the server would simply die. (And, yes I'm aware that the traffic control system would restrict the number of people that could jump into the system so this can't really be done).