Originally posted by Mchart
The answer to the OP's question is simple. It's everquest. Just because *you* like the everquest gameplay style, does not mean that a large majority of the population does. It is an old, and tired gameplay style. Top that off with a bad release, and you get it's current state.

So -

A.) Why would people playing the original everquest want to leave for everquest 2, when they are allready playing they love.

B.) Whats the point of playing the sequel to everquest, when you could just go play everquest.

If people like the everquest gameplay style, then they will probably stick with everquest. Everquest 2 may be different, but it isn't any way shape or form groundbreaking.

It would be like releasing WoW 2. Why would anyone want to play WoW 2, when WoW is allready there, and its allready done that.


This is why I can't figure out why people play everquest clones, or WoW clones. Whats the point in for instance playing star wars galaxies, when you could go play WoW. Or whats the point in playing any large number of everquest clones, when you could just go play everquest.

The answer is simple really. Tired IP + Identical core gameplay + bad release = Low subscriber count.

Originally posted by csthao

Originally posted by Misiu
Personaly I dont think its lacking much.   I think the biggest thing working against it is.   It got off to a bad start and people just havent given it another shot

true, i played this game for 4 months during release and quit due to so many changes, now its been like a couple years and i wouldnt give it another shot because of too much content to catch up to...theres so many things that have changed and i dont thing i could adapt to it like how i used to...this goes for every game that i played, if its been too long since i played a game then i feel like im already left behind and theres too much things to understand and learn...

They just released a new city, so there are a lot of new characters being started now, and there will be a new race with the expansion in November, so you know there will be a lot of characters being started then too. It really might be worth jumping in now or in November and getting in with people starting or starting over.

There seem to be a lot of people trying it. I grouped today in Darklight (new newbie zone) with a guy doing the trial thing. It was slightly annoying that I couldn't send him tells before joining his group or trade with him at all, but he seemed to be having a good time. I think people ARE coming to EQ2 now. The Echoes of Faydwer and Neriak newbie experiences are so much better (IMO) than the older versions, and the game is just plain fun to me now.

I played EQ1 for a long, long time, and I'd been thinking about resubscribing, but it came down to wanting to experience all the new stuff going into EQ2, and feeling like it is easier to catch up in EQ2 than EQ1. I've been happy with my decision.

Originally posted by Mchart
The answer to the OP's question is simple. It's everquest. Just because *you* like the everquest gameplay style, does not mean that a large majority of the population does. It is an old, and tired gameplay style. Top that off with a bad release, and you get it's current state.

So -

A.) Why would people playing the original everquest want to leave for everquest 2, when they are allready playing they love.

B.) Whats the point of playing the sequel to everquest, when you could just go play everquest.

If people like the everquest gameplay style, then they will probably stick with everquest. Everquest 2 may be different, but it isn't any way shape or form groundbreaking.

It would be like releasing WoW 2. Why would anyone want to play WoW 2, when WoW is allready there, and its allready done that.


This is why I can't figure out why people play everquest clones, or WoW clones. Whats the point in for instance playing star wars galaxies, when you could go play WoW. Or whats the point in playing any large number of everquest clones, when you could just go play everquest.

The answer is simple really. Tired IP + Identical core gameplay + bad release = Low subscriber count.

Oddly, I really feel like WoW is a lot more like EQ1, in gameplay terms, than EQ2 is. I have heard a lot of people I played EQ1 with say that they didn't like EQ2 because it was too different from EQ1, that the only thing they had in common were names.

A LOT of the people in both of the EQ2 guilds I am in have NEVER played EQ1.

Originally posted by Crose

Originally posted by Mchart
The answer to the OP's question is simple. It's everquest. Just because *you* like the everquest gameplay style, does not mean that a large majority of the population does. It is an old, and tired gameplay style. Top that off with a bad release, and you get it's current state.

So -

A.) Why would people playing the original everquest want to leave for everquest 2, when they are allready playing they love.

B.) Whats the point of playing the sequel to everquest, when you could just go play everquest.

If people like the everquest gameplay style, then they will probably stick with everquest. Everquest 2 may be different, but it isn't any way shape or form groundbreaking.

It would be like releasing WoW 2. Why would anyone want to play WoW 2, when WoW is allready there, and its allready done that.


This is why I can't figure out why people play everquest clones, or WoW clones. Whats the point in for instance playing star wars galaxies, when you could go play WoW. Or whats the point in playing any large number of everquest clones, when you could just go play everquest.

The answer is simple really. Tired IP + Identical core gameplay + bad release = Low subscriber count.

Have you played both EQ and EQ2?  It sounds like you haven't...  Even if you ignore all the difference in game play, a game as old as EQ with dated graphics will die out, even if you continue content updates.  New players will look at screens and won't even bother trying it.

Honestly, I think you need to rethink what you just said.  The idea that there's no appeal to play newer MMO's over first gen games is ridiculous.

Originally posted by njdevi66

Originally posted by Samuraisword

EQ2 is supposedly SOE's best and most successful product, yet by most recent data, it still has less than 200k subs.

EvE online has more and is considered a niche game while EQ2 is designed for mass audience.

Seriously, why is this game not attracting many more players? You EQ2 vets who love this game, can you explain what is lacking?

Its because it is made and ran by SOE, that is why it and any game with SOE in it will fail.

Originally posted by Mchart
So then why would I want to play everquest 2? I've allready played everquest. I dont want more everquest. Nor do I want to play anything similar to it.

I'm not bashing any games here, i'm simply stating the truth, as an outsider. I'm not interested in Everquest 2 at all, the fact that it even has everquest in it's name instantly signals to me that it will probably be a lot like everquest.

I do think it was a mistake on SOE's part to release a game so different from EQ1 and call it EQ2. They could have called it Legacy of Norrath or After The Shattering or Lucan Vs. Bayle: FIGHT! and it might not have been so shocking and disappointing off the bat to SOME people.

Originally posted by PerryPanther
Again and again as i see from people who over blow situations...... This is nothing wrong with eq 2 it is a great game around...and SOE did it! Graphics awesome and game play is great hands down.  Questing beautiful ... i been playing eq 2 since the start and i liked it then and now! Only reason this game doesn't have the populations the kids like is for this reason only.... It's a mature community we dont tollerate kids crap of chuck norris jokes etc.... We play not be stupid less kids is why the population is down.... if you want to do that kind of stuff go to wow!

Originally posted by neschria

Originally posted by Mchart
So then why would I want to play everquest 2? I've allready played everquest. I dont want more everquest. Nor do I want to play anything similar to it.

I'm not bashing any games here, i'm simply stating the truth, as an outsider. I'm not interested in Everquest 2 at all, the fact that it even has everquest in it's name instantly signals to me that it will probably be a lot like everquest.

 

I do think it was a mistake on SOE's part to release a game so different from EQ1 and call it EQ2. They could have called it Legacy of Norrath or After The Shattering or Lucan Vs. Bayle: FIGHT! and it might not have been so shocking and disappointing off the bat to SOME people.

I did used to play eq2 for a while. I thought the game was ok but nothing special.

Its basicly the same as WoW. Only WoW does everything better. Actually the one thing it does have over WoW is the instanced housing but that hardly balances things out. My prob with it was little things like how quest npcs seemed to be scattered around huge areas and the really drab looking player characters. I played on and off for almost a year the last straw for me was how people only ever wanted to grind in the same place (runneye). I got to about 40 (dont remember) and was so bored of killing the same stuff over and over omg. There are lots of other areas I could have gone at that level but they were all for groups but no one ever wanted to do anything different, impossible to get a group for there.

I gotta admit though nek castle was one of the most fun mmorpg moments I ever had.

UHm I think as an online game EQ2 is up there with the best on the market. As of now it has great content an ammount of playability and with the new expansions a lot to offer.

I find the OP post strange as I think the game is doing fine ...

Maybe it would be doing better if it had had the content it has now on release, more investment in marketing and less competition as the current mmorpg market is just a flooded cesspit or mediocre games with just a life of 3-6 months probably half a dozen releases sit outside of that and i believe EQ2 is one of them.

Why isn't this game more successful?  one of the biggest reasons is,  just like vanguard, the system requirements, for the game. most people, do not have that kind of power, on there p.cs to run theses games,  that's one of the reasons I believe that made wow, so popular, was the fact that you didn't have to have, this good video card or that good amount of  memory to run it.

I really do enjoy everquest 2 it of course has a lot of pros and cons, but so does every other game out there, and to me its not about being everquest, its just a name if you don't know how the game is, then just give it a shot ! and try the free trial,  you might like it or you might not, they are adding a lot to the game, as time passes on, but I do feel the dev team is gonna get some, major pressure when Conan or aion and some of the other  mmos come out soon, and they wil need to add  some seriously  innovative things in the game to keep up with them and even try to surpass them.

i think the main reason is that people hate SOE for soem reason..

I truly think this is the best mmorpg out there at the moment.. so much to do.. my only gripe with the game is the armour.. at certain lvls there are a few different types.. but there is only one good type every 10 lvls or so ... so everyone uses that hehe..

character customization has got to be one of the best tho so much to change.. shame to cover it all up lol :)

The game itself plays really well.. you can solo just or group up :).. ok pvp aint the best but maybe that will come soon.. so many places to explore and you get xp for donig so.. well a different type of xp..

Sadly i had to stop playing as I no lnoger have the time :(

The main reason EQ2 has not had a bigger audience is the same reason that led to SOE's misguided NGE changes to SWG. Marketing!!!!!

I should really say the lack of marketing. Have you seen much marketing for either game? Had SOE had a few good TV commercials of the cool houses, vehicles , mounts, action in the cantinas, and some group fighting video enough people (possibly millions) would have tried SWG. So SOE would not have needed to change game. They changed it to attract more players not because the game was bad. The same holds for EQ2. Great footage of the wonderful landscapes and beautiful horse mounts, mixed with some player housing, and a grand epic battle would get more people to try.

Belive it or not most people did not and do not know these games exist. Unlike us who post here most people are unware of the mmo market and how fun it is. The only one that has reached mainstream america awareness is WoW. Many people who do not play mmos know of WoW. You can make all the right changes to a game (or bad one as in SWG) but if no one knows about them what difference does it make.

Build a good game market it right and you will have a money maker.

Whats this crap eq2 is like wow junk....Sorry it's more like wow is like eq2 and eq 1... sorry to break peoples bubbles soe pretty much invented the ways mmo's go from eq 1. Wow is a copy of that like many other mmo's. Next there is nothing and i repeat nothing wrong with eq 2. the requirments are fine armor is fine. I been playing since release and the game is great. Here is the difference between wow and eq 2

Wow

1. cartoonish

2. pvp is bad very bad

3. kids and the community is the worse

4. raid raid raid raid riad group grou no SOLOING!

EQ 2

1. graphics life like and realistic

2.pvp is open everywhere and is done right

3. we control the kids its a mature community

4.soloing can be done the whole game (I have a pally and only been in a group 3 times and i am a 58 pally!)

5. Soe is the greatest at making mmo's ...they have it right

6. swg was bad but name a company that hasent have a problem

7. to this day no game no one can beat eq 1 world and eq 2 will be like that coming soon with expansions

One thing that needs to end is this grip against soe for a company who been around all these years .....They are doing the best they can and they are doing a great job in my eyes .... GGOD JOB SOE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! For those who hate soe then go play something else leave soe alone ....

Originally posted by PerryPanther
Again and again as i see from people who over blow situations...... This is nothing wrong with eq 2 it is a great game around...and SOE did it! Graphics awesome and game play is great hands down.  Questing beautiful ... i been playing eq 2 since the start and i liked it then and now! Only reason this game doesn't have the populations the kids like is for this reason only.... It's a mature community we dont tollerate kids crap of chuck norris jokes etc.... We play not be stupid less kids is why the population is down.... if you want to do that kind of stuff go to wow!

Originally posted by Samuraisword

EQ2 is supposedly SOE's best and most successful product, yet by most recent data, it still has less than 200k subs.

EvE online has more and is considered a niche game while EQ2 is designed for mass audience.

Seriously, why is this game not attracting many more players? You EQ2 vets who love this game, can you explain what is lacking?

I didn't like it for so long... then i started again on the famous "boat tutorial"... that lasted a week... and i grew apart.

I only game back after the revamp, gone was the boat tutorial, but not the boat. A new tutorial island awaited... new models could be chosen (much better, if a little anime).

and then the fae arrived.... they suck as a race (had to be said) but the actual tutorial within the main gameworld was a step in the right direction and a city.. oh their city.. no zonal loads... you don't have to put up with crap structured cities like Qyenos and now Freeport (with the help of new neriak).

in short.

it's come a long way baby.

Originally posted by PerryPanther

Whats this crap eq2 is like wow junk....Sorry it's more like wow is like eq2 and eq 1... sorry to break peoples bubbles soe pretty much invented the ways mmo's go from eq 1. Wow is a copy of that like many other mmo's. Next there is nothing and i repeat nothing wrong with eq 2. the requirments are fine armor is fine. I been playing since release and the game is great. Here is the difference between wow and eq 2

Sorry but MMO's are a game genre so ALL MMOs will take ideas from games before them, they dont clone your mighty EQ1 they just give what players expect to have in an MMO and add a few more ideas... its that way for all genres else we all still be playing Pong and Pacman.

Wow

1. cartoonish

A stylised, rich, varied and colourful world, smooth animations and lots to see

2. pvp is bad very bad

In your oppinion, sounds like you got ganked a few time.  I think it has the best mechanics (moving around and interating with players) just need to add a reason to PvP.

3. kids and the community is the worse

in your opinion, never had issued with community, perhaps your the problem.

4. raid raid raid raid riad group grou no SOLOING!

 you can solo 1-70 if your choose or group with friends or guildies.  And enjoy some the best endgame raids of any MMO. (IMHO)

EQ 2

1. graphics life like and realistic

has the same problem as vaguard imho, tries to look real but just looks fake

2.pvp is open everywhere and is done right

cannot comment never got to PvP, but WoW is open PvP (was before the battlegrounds arrived anyway) and fights still spark up out side dungeons and in the wild.  PvP is there if you go look for it.

3. we control the kids its a mature community

sure you do, Your right I had to send in a copy of my drivers licence and complete an IQ test b4 I could log into EQ2  

4.soloing can be done the whole game (I have a pally and only been in a group 3 times and i am a 58 pally!)

Cannot comment never got passed lvl 10

5. Soe is the greatest at making mmo's ...they have it right

alot will disagree with that

6. swg was bad but name a company that hasent have a problem

blizzard

7. to this day no game no one can beat eq 1 world and eq 2 will be like that coming soon with expansions

you hope so, but I dont see it. Fae was a well recieved expansion but EQ2 is old new now.

One thing that needs to end is this grip against soe for a company who been around all these years .....They are doing the best they can and they are doing a great job in my eyes .... GGOD JOB SOE KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! For those who hate soe then go play something else leave soe alone ....