Originally posted by Distaste
As stupid as the person is filing the lawsuit it does accomplish 1 thing. 1. IGE has to waste just as much money, if not more to defend themselves regaurdless of who is suing so they don't get rolled IF the judge doesn't toss the case.  Ever hired a good lawyer? Freaking expensive as hell and they work PER HOUR....they are the real winners here.


If they do get into court then that sets a standard that gold sellers can be sued thus lessening the amount of gold selling.


Personally I really don't care about gold sellers or account sellers. I do feel that it should be a company controlled thing however, like SOE did. Make it safe and sanctioned so people don't get accounts/gear/gold stolen. Even if the government has to get involved for taxes etc I would be fine with it. The Sellers should be taxed appropriately for goods/services rendered.


Back onto the whole gold seller argument, who cares? If someone wants to farm for 20hrs straight to get gold thats fine, if someone would rather work for 4hrs then buy the gold from the 20hr player that is fine too. Some people like spending their time in game having FUN (OMG fun in a game?). I think the whole issue is more of a game development issue rather than a gold seller issue. If the developers just made the gold/gear requirements to stay competitive a bit less then people would be having fun.

I remember back when Naxx came out in WoW. As a mage I had to farm flasks, Frost power potions, Fire power potions, Greater arcane elixirs, Night fin soup, repair bots, bandages, and repair money. That was just for myself, I also had to pitch into the healer/guild fund. Not fun dropping 200g+ and several hours of farming a week just to wipe on some bosses(Curse you Thaddius!). If you didn't farm, you didn't raid, so most of my "fun" time playing games was spent farming things till my mind went numb. I quit shortly afterwards because of that so if you want to know why gold farmers exist, it is because Blizzard made a game that required so much farming. They may have fixed this in the new TBC patch but the damage is already done.

I am hoping that Warhammer doesn't require so much farmer if any at all. I want to log in and play the game not farm to then play the game.

best way to look at this case is to use an analogy... lets say you went to the movies and paid to get in. you are comfortably watching the movie when all of a sudden someone behind you starts making all kinds of noise, they begin to throw ice and popcorn around which totally distracts your enjoyment of the movie. now can you sue this person? can you sue the movie theatre if they dont remove this person in a timely matter? or can you just simply ask for your money back and be done with the situation?

basically does the MMORPG offer a gaming experience that is free of farmers/hackers/acct sellers and has a clause that you can get your money back if they dont live up to that claim? if the answer is no, then no suit is ever gonna work unless you find one really retarded judge and an equally retarded one when it goes to appeal hehe.

Originally posted by staracker

best way to look at this case is to use an analogy... lets say you went to the movies and paid to get in. you are comfortably watching the movie when all of a sudden someone behind you starts making all kinds of noise, they begin to throw ice and popcorn around which totally distracts your enjoyment of the movie. now can you sue this person? can you sue the movie theatre if they dont remove this person in a timely matter? or can you just simply ask for your money back and be done with the situation?

 

basically does the MMORPG offer a gaming experience that is free of farmers/hackers/acct sellers and has a clause that you can get your money back if they dont live up to that claim? if the answer is no, then no suit is ever gonna work unless you find one really retarded judge and an equally retarded one when it goes to appeal hehe.

i just hope they could find a judge young enough to understand what an MMORPG is, least know what is virtual property... atm, the online gaming industry can't do anything against these ingame sharks since most lawmakers of today are either too busy bickering which other or too stupid to understand what the virtual world means...it's sad to see that this industry is given less importance by the authorities, thinking that this is just more of an annoyance rather than an immersive experience everybody can enjoy...

PS: my answer to your question about your analogy above is, YES, I CAN'T SUE THAT PERSON, BUT I CAN ALWAYS SMACK HIM UPSIDE THE HEAD...

Originally posted by montin
In principle i'm not against gold sellers, though I've never bought online gold. If a person wants to spend their time 'farming gold' then I say let them. What I am TOTALLY against is people using bots to farm gold. It takes away the honest hard work of others. MMOs shouldn't be sueing the gold sellers but should instead use it's time and money to close bot accounts. Thats one of the reasons I left WoW, all the damn bots and Blizzard taking weeks if not months to remove them after they have been reported.

Supporting gold sellers also means supporting usage of bots. Weird that you don't see that connection.

Personally I dislike sellers, eBay and item/gold/account selling sites have all helped ruin a number of games ever since it started. The lawsuit may not do much more than annoy the people doing it and I'd much rather see a mass of gamers storm their offices with baseball bats or, even better, a real hacker (note, I said a real hacker not some wannabe cracker who poses in games uses someone else's work and claims to be a hacker) hack their real world bank accounts into the red.

Unfortunately what I do think may happen someday (not soon but someday) is the formation of an international net police and unified law system, I say unfortunately because this will crush many of the freedoms we now enjoy out here (and no I don't mean just your little pr0n sites). As long as people continue to skirt the rules, hide in other countries, and ruin things for other people out here more and more people will eventually start demanding that something like this be done. I'm not saying this alone will be responsible, but it will add to that proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

If WoW didn't allow anyone lvl 1-20 to spam in general chat or to send tells to anyone more than 10 levels higher than them, this problem would be solved. All the characters and accounts used to spam are generally level 1, or on a 14-day trial (cannot exceed lvl20 during a 14-day trial).

Simple solution: Don't let anyone on a 14 day trial send tells to people 10 levels higher. Don't let anyone under level 20 send tells to people over 10 levels higher.

Spam problem solved.

I actually sent this suggestion to Blizzard in a trouble ticket but I don't think they read those.

- Phos

(PS - I hate gold farmers too, but as long as it's necessary to have fun, I just factor my "gold buying" money as an additional 'unofficial' monthly fee necessary for playing the game. I pay $15 per month to play, and I set aside $10 per month to have gold so I can actually have fun in-game. I hate that I have to do that, but I refuse to spend a week farming just so I can have one night worth of fun with the little gold I've managed to scrounge together! Shame on Blizzard for making a gold-dependant game and then allowing gold farmers to control the market!) BTW - I have since quit WoW because of many reasons including the spammers.

Why do you need to buy gold to have fun?

Just don't get it.

Originally posted by rikilii

Why do you need to buy gold to have fun?

Just don't get it.

To put it in a nutshell...

Those who can, Do
Those who can't, Cheat

and buying gold, items, or accounts is a cheat

YES!!!

Hopefully we will see more companies getting sued.  This has been getting out of control for some time, glad to see someone other than Blizzard doing something about this problem. 

Originally posted by Phos

If WoW didn't allow anyone lvl 1-20 to spam in general chat or to send tells to anyone more than 10 levels higher than them, this problem would be solved. All the characters and accounts used to spam are generally level 1, or on a 14-day trial (cannot exceed lvl20 during a 14-day trial).

Simple solution: Don't let anyone on a 14 day trial send tells to people 10 levels higher. Don't let anyone under level 20 send tells to people over 10 levels higher.

Spam problem solved.

I actually sent this suggestion to Blizzard in a trouble ticket but I don't think they read those.

- Phos

(PS - I hate gold farmers too, but as long as it's necessary to have fun, I just factor my "gold buying" money as an additional 'unofficial' monthly fee necessary for playing the game. I pay $15 per month to play, and I set aside $10 per month to have gold so I can actually have fun in-game. I hate that I have to do that, but I refuse to spend a week farming just so I can have one night worth of fun with the little gold I've managed to scrounge together! Shame on Blizzard for making a gold-dependant game and then allowing gold farmers to control the market!) BTW - I have since quit WoW because of many reasons including the spammers.

Let me tell you how you make 10 easy gold without farming, cheating or paying those who do.  Every little town or major city has crafting vendors who supply the vials and other accoutrements necessary to craft.  Once in awhile, these vendors sell semi-rare item recipes, usually in the 15 silver to 1 gold range.

You buy these recipes and sell them in the Auction House for three to four times their value, sometimes even more.  You do this and you'll always have a few extra gold around when you want it.

Originally posted by elvenangel

Originally posted by PerryPanther
Nice now since all this is happening what needs to be done next is all mmo's out there combine forces and sue every one of those dang gold sellers and people who sell accounts and also sell ebay if they do not remove gold sellers or account sellers off the auctions and they need to hit these people hard!

IGE's being sued by a player not Blizzard.  This is probably the best way to go in order to stop or discourage gold selling sites to have groups of player form against them and file class action suits.  If game companies did it it could lead to government interference(as in more crappy taxes).

Personally I feel gold sellers are the worst thing that happened to MMOs, because is so freely circulated and some bozo spends 200 bucks on say 5000 gold they suddenly are willing to pay unreal prices for items that go for a whole lot less.  Then people that sell these items fairly on the auction house think "Hey we can get more" so they charge more and gold farmers take advantage of this increase and start selling items for even more to get the GOLD back they sold!!   Granted most of their gold comes from obliterating entire areas of stuff they're not even going to use for in game purposes.

Down with Gold Sellers!

really?

does blz sue it or a player sue it?

I've already quit WoW and sold my account illegally with some purchased gold on it and a botted set of lvl 70s with uber gear and flying mounts.

Thanks for the tip though!

- Phos

Originally posted by SSDic
It's a good news! it's just a begin....i hope it could get a  good result!