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porgie  6/01/07 5:23:03 PM

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Immigration law foes trying to scare Americans: Bush

05-29-2007, 19h20
GLYNCO, United States (AFP)

US President George W. Bush said Tuesday that opponents of a landmark law to normalize the status of 12 million illegal immigrants were trying to stir up fear among Americans.

In an energetic defense of the proposed law soon to be debated in the Senate, Bush rejected critics who are calling the legislation an amnesty for illegal immigrants, and said kicking them out of the country is "simply unrealistic."

"If you want to scare the American people, what you say is, 'The bill's an amnesty bill.' It's not an amnesty bill. That's empty political rhetoric trying to frighten our fellow citizens," Bush said in southern Georgia at a training center for government security officials.

"Amnesty is forgiveness for being here without any penalties," he said. "This bill is not an amnesty bill."

The law, which was presented to the Senate last week, could eventually make legal most of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the country in what would be the most sweeping change to immigration laws in 21 years.

While providing more money to tighten border control against those sneaking into the United States, it would require those who came to the country before January 1, 2007 to pay 5,000 dollars in fines and apply for legal status in a process that would at one point require them to return to their home country.

Permanent status would only be granted after a vetting process which, according to the bill as it now stands, would rank them by education, job and language skills, instead of mainly prioritizing those with family already in the United States as has been the case.

It would also set a mechanism for 200,000 temporary guest workers to enter the country for two-year stints.

And it also encourages tougher action against employers who hire illegal immigrants.

But the bill has kicked up strong and vocal opposition across the country the backers fear could kill its progress -- even though polls show most Americans support the reform.

"This reform's complex. There's a lot of emotions around this issue. Convictions run deep," Bush argued Tuesday.

"Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like.

"If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it. You can use it to frighten people."

While the bill would have substantial impact on millions of people and on the economy, it is also seen as crucial to Bush's legacy as president.

Coming off a successful pushback against Democrats aiming to stifle his Iraq war policy, Bush is aiming to prod the immigration bill through Congress -- with the help of Democrats -- in what could be the last major domestic initiative of his presidency.

He hopes for an agreement on the bill by August; it has been presented to the Senate for debate and, if passed then must go to the House of Representatives where it faces a stiff challenge.

If the bill is stalled at that point, it could fall victim finally to the opening of the full 2008 presidential election campaign season.

"The system is broken to the point where people are being used as human cargo, being exploited, simply because most want to come and provide for their families. Most are willing to do jobs Americans aren't doing. The system needs to be fixed," Bush insisted.

"I know there are some people out there hollering and saying, 'Kick 'em out.' That is simply unrealistic. It won't work."

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defenestrate  6/01/07 5:32:59 PM

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My shield arm is getting tired from fending off all of the AoC gremlins.

Everyone knows Bush is a damn moron. He will use whatever he can to instill fear and distraction among americans so that no one pays attention the the war we are currently losing.
 
Briansho  6/01/07 5:52:22 PM

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He's crazy.

What makes him think illegals are going to come forward, admit they are illegal, then get a temp work permit and leave after 2 years?!?!?!

Why would I want to become legal if my girlfriends kids are getting free healthcare until they are 18?!?!?!
noname12345  6/01/07 6:05:50 PM

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"While providing more money to tighten border control against those sneaking into the United States, it would require those who came to the country before January 1, 2007 to pay 5,000 dollars in fines and apply for legal status in a process that would at one point require them to return to their home country."

You wanna know what is stupid and going to put us at a large risk? Them having to pay $5,000. I don't have $5,000, my family and my wealthy uncle who is a business owner doesn't even have $5,000 to pay for fines. So guess where these dirt poor illegal aliens are going to get $5,000? Crime! Watch for the crime rate to soar.

F'ing idiots. The whole f'ing amnesty thing is stupid but the $5,000 fine made me laugh.

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Produde  6/01/07 6:07:49 PM

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Originally posted by porgie

Immigration law foes trying to scare Americans: Bush

05-29-2007, 19h20
GLYNCO, United States (AFP)

US President George W. Bush said Tuesday that opponents of a landmark law to normalize the status of 12 million illegal immigrants were trying to stir up fear among Americans.

In an energetic defense of the proposed law soon to be debated in the Senate, Bush rejected critics who are calling the legislation an amnesty for illegal immigrants, and said kicking them out of the country is "simply unrealistic."

"If you want to scare the American people, what you say is, 'The bill's an amnesty bill.' It's not an amnesty bill. That's empty political rhetoric trying to frighten our fellow citizens," Bush said in southern Georgia at a training center for government security officials.

"Amnesty is forgiveness for being here without any penalties," he said. "This bill is not an amnesty bill."

The law, which was presented to the Senate last week, could eventually make legal most of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the country in what would be the most sweeping change to immigration laws in 21 years.

While providing more money to tighten border control against those sneaking into the United States, it would require those who came to the country before January 1, 2007 to pay 5,000 dollars in fines and apply for legal status in a process that would at one point require them to return to their home country.

Permanent status would only be granted after a vetting process which, according to the bill as it now stands, would rank them by education, job and language skills, instead of mainly prioritizing those with family already in the United States as has been the case.

It would also set a mechanism for 200,000 temporary guest workers to enter the country for two-year stints.

And it also encourages tougher action against employers who hire illegal immigrants.

But the bill has kicked up strong and vocal opposition across the country the backers fear could kill its progress -- even though polls show most Americans support the reform.

"This reform's complex. There's a lot of emotions around this issue. Convictions run deep," Bush argued Tuesday.

"Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like.

"If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it. You can use it to frighten people."

While the bill would have substantial impact on millions of people and on the economy, it is also seen as crucial to Bush's legacy as president.

Coming off a successful pushback against Democrats aiming to stifle his Iraq war policy, Bush is aiming to prod the immigration bill through Congress -- with the help of Democrats -- in what could be the last major domestic initiative of his presidency.

He hopes for an agreement on the bill by August; it has been presented to the Senate for debate and, if passed then must go to the House of Representatives where it faces a stiff challenge.

If the bill is stalled at that point, it could fall victim finally to the opening of the full 2008 presidential election campaign season.

"The system is broken to the point where people are being used as human cargo, being exploited, simply because most want to come and provide for their families. Most are willing to do jobs Americans aren't doing. The system needs to be fixed," Bush insisted.

"I know there are some people out there hollering and saying, 'Kick 'em out.' That is simply unrealistic. It won't work."

Great Copy and Paste....

What exactly are you looking for by simply posting a news article?

You must be seeking something in response. Clarify a bit so peolpe have a direction instead of just responding with blithering statements of nonsense that have no common thread.

 
Produde  6/01/07 6:09:56 PM

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Originally posted by AlexAmore
"While providing more money to tighten border control against those sneaking into the United States, it would require those who came to the country before January 1, 2007 to pay 5,000 dollars in fines and apply for legal status in a process that would at one point require them to return to their home country."

You wanna know what is stupid and going to put us at a large risk? Them having to pay $5,000. I don't have $5,000, my family and my wealthy uncle who is a business owner doesn't even have $5,000 to pay for fines. So guess where these dirt poor illegal aliens are going to get $5,000? Crime! Watch for the crime rate to soar.

F'ing idiots. The whole f'ing amnesty thing is stupid but the $5,000 fine made me laugh.

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porgie  6/01/07 6:34:47 PM

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Originally posted by Produde
Originally posted by porgie

Immigration law foes trying to scare Americans: Bush

05-29-2007, 19h20
GLYNCO, United States (AFP)

US President George W. Bush said Tuesday that opponents of a landmark law to normalize the status of 12 million illegal immigrants were trying to stir up fear among Americans.

In an energetic defense of the proposed law soon to be debated in the Senate, Bush rejected critics who are calling the legislation an amnesty for illegal immigrants, and said kicking them out of the country is "simply unrealistic."

"If you want to scare the American people, what you say is, 'The bill's an amnesty bill.' It's not an amnesty bill. That's empty political rhetoric trying to frighten our fellow citizens," Bush said in southern Georgia at a training center for government security officials.

"Amnesty is forgiveness for being here without any penalties," he said. "This bill is not an amnesty bill."

The law, which was presented to the Senate last week, could eventually make legal most of the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the country in what would be the most sweeping change to immigration laws in 21 years.

While providing more money to tighten border control against those sneaking into the United States, it would require those who came to the country before January 1, 2007 to pay 5,000 dollars in fines and apply for legal status in a process that would at one point require them to return to their home country.

Permanent status would only be granted after a vetting process which, according to the bill as it now stands, would rank them by education, job and language skills, instead of mainly prioritizing those with family already in the United States as has been the case.

It would also set a mechanism for 200,000 temporary guest workers to enter the country for two-year stints.

And it also encourages tougher action against employers who hire illegal immigrants.

But the bill has kicked up strong and vocal opposition across the country the backers fear could kill its progress -- even though polls show most Americans support the reform.

"This reform's complex. There's a lot of emotions around this issue. Convictions run deep," Bush argued Tuesday.

"Those determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like.

"If you want to kill the bill, if you don't want to do what's right for America, you can pick one little aspect out of it. You can use it to frighten people."

While the bill would have substantial impact on millions of people and on the economy, it is also seen as crucial to Bush's legacy as president.

Coming off a successful pushback against Democrats aiming to stifle his Iraq war policy, Bush is aiming to prod the immigration bill through Congress -- with the help of Democrats -- in what could be the last major domestic initiative of his presidency.

He hopes for an agreement on the bill by August; it has been presented to the Senate for debate and, if passed then must go to the House of Representatives where it faces a stiff challenge.

If the bill is stalled at that point, it could fall victim finally to the opening of the full 2008 presidential election campaign season.

"The system is broken to the point where people are being used as human cargo, being exploited, simply because most want to come and provide for their families. Most are willing to do jobs Americans aren't doing. The system needs to be fixed," Bush insisted.

"I know there are some people out there hollering and saying, 'Kick 'em out.' That is simply unrealistic. It won't work."

Great Copy and Paste....

What exactly are you looking for by simply posting a news article?

You must be seeking something in response. Clarify a bit so peolpe have a direction instead of just responding with blithering statements of nonsense that have no common thread.

Check the title, Prodoo.  And my posting it didn't seem to stop the discussion from proceeding. 

Sometimes I like to post the article without prompting a direction of discussion