Lineage II

Originally posted by Abisbowa
I have been thinking about trying this game, and I had a couple of questions before I decide.

I hear that this game has massive siege battles. Is it anything like DAoC? Better, equal to, not as good?

Also, what is considered to be End Game, PvP, raiding, something entirely different?

Thanks in advance!

Well, I can't comment on the comparison to DAoC but I can give you a bit of info.

Sieges can be anything from a clan/alliance giving up their castle and just having people waltzin and taking it to absolutely huge battles that can bring your computer to a halt.

Every two weeks, on Saturday and Sunday, the server has it's sieges. It is a scheduled event.

Though any level player can find some way to help, if you are not higher lvl (70+by now) then you will have some issues.

Also, pvp can take place at any time at any level. It is usually clan vs clan fights but you can find 1 vs 1 for hunting areas. Keep in mind, many people are in clans and will oftentimes make it a "clan affair".

There is Raiding but it is not like WoW in that you Raid 24/7. Especially since certain bosses have different spawn times.

Also, there are more epic bosses that take larger alliances and a lot of organization (and time) to pull off.

If u want to get a true account and opinion of whats happening to the game i suggets you go to the official L2 forums, the game is virtually  dead.  The only people playing it are chinese gold farmers and people that have setup bot programmes.  90% of the characters running around ingame will be bots.  If u dont belive me, just go to google and look up the bot  community for the game.  Also the official servers are practically dead, if u do want to really play i suggest going onto a private server.  Pvp happens at any lvl, but like i said most u will see will be bots or chinese farmers guilds that will ruthlessly kill u at any opportunity.

Once again my advice go read the official L2 forums.

Originally posted by Abisbowa
Ah man, thats too bad. The game looked so good too. :( From what you say it sounds kinda like RF Online. No one doing anything but AFK in the mining area.

Alright well, thanks for the info :)

Originally posted by Abisbowa
Ah man, thats too bad. The game looked so good too. :( From what you say it sounds kinda like RF Online. No one doing anything but AFK in the mining area.

Alright well, thanks for the info :)

Whoa, wait a minute. The game is not dead.

And it has as many bots as any other games. Otherwise you would have to say that WoW is bot infested as they certainly have enough to service all their servers.

The game has no instances so the bots can't hide. However, NC has been doing these large mass bannings that are very apparent when you look at the server loads.

However, if there are lots of bots then there has to be a clientele that is worth servicing no?

To be more precise, L2 is over 3 years old. It doesn't have the population is once had but it does have a die hard community that is veryy loyal.

Also, to be fair, we don't have a huge influx of players. So essentially, you either know whether or not this is the game for you and you have to work very hard to get to a place where you can get into a good clan/alliance and get the higher lvls.

There is so much that is positive about the game that I can't (and won't list them all). However, if you are not a hardcore grinder, if you can't accept the fact that the game has a very hard economy and that the game is open pvp, then the game is not right for you.

You've got to be driven, a bit obsessive and have a hard skin.

This game does't have fun quests. Period. It doesn't have a huge role player community either so if that is your thing then you might think twice. The updates are free but in my opinion are a bit lackluster. I think NC knows this as the next once seems to be quite large.

You have to be a self starter in this game. If you are one of the types that needs to find groups right up front then move on. Especially since most established clans won't look at you until you are lvl 20 and have passed your first class transfer (and that is for the academy... you will most likely have to be higher lvl for the actual  clan unless you get into a casual group).

This game is not really growing but it is not shrinking. It has a pretty established playerbase.

In truth, you have to know who you are in this game. Self starter and thick skinned. If you aren't then try something else. Good Luck

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Abisbowa
Ah man, thats too bad. The game looked so good too. :( From what you say it sounds kinda like RF Online. No one doing anything but AFK in the mining area.

Alright well, thanks for the info :)

Whoa, wait a minute. The game is not dead.

True but dosen't have that many people as it used to...

And it has as many bots as any other games. Otherwise you would have to say that WoW is bot infested as they certainly have enough to service all their servers.

if i have to guess i say it has 10x the bots then other games
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77552
(yere i like linking it :) it beat's player x saying this game bans bot and player y saying they dont)

The game has no instances so the bots can't hide. However, NC has been doing these large mass bannings that are very apparent when you look at the server loads.

people always give that excuse just look at the above link 54% has votet in the poll that 90% off the people who plays bot's and farmers arent even in the poll and no i dont belive in they mass bannings you think they ban 90% off the supscribers lol?

However, if there are lots of bots then there has to be a clientele that is worth servicing no?

To be more precise, L2 is over 3 years old. It doesn't have the population is once had but it does have a die hard community that is veryy loyal.

Also, to be fair, we don't have a huge influx of players. So essentially, you either know whether or not this is the game for you and you have to work very hard to get to a place where you can get into a good clan/alliance and get the higher lvls.

There is so much that is positive about the game that I can't (and won't list them all). However, if you are not a hardcore grinder, if you can't accept the fact that the game has a very hard economy and that the game is open pvp, then the game is not right for you.

it has a lot off negatives things to but im to lazy to list em

You've got to be driven, a bit obsessive and have a hard skin.

This game does't have fun quests. Period. It doesn't have a huge role player community either so if that is your thing then you might think twice. The updates are free but in my opinion are a bit lackluster. I think NC knows this as the next once seems to be quite large.

You have to be a self starter in this game. If you are one of the types that needs to find groups right up front then move on. Especially since most established clans won't look at you until you are lvl 20 and have passed your first class transfer (and that is for the academy... you will most likely have to be higher lvl for the actual  clan unless you get into a casual group).

This game is not really growing but it is not shrinking. It has a pretty established playerbase.

In truth, you have to know who you are in this game. Self starter and thick skinned. If you aren't then try something else. Good Luck

 

 

Originally posted by Sorrowho

Originally posted by Sovrath

Whoa, wait a minute. The game is not dead.

True but dosen't have that many people as it used to...

And it has as many bots as any other games. Otherwise you would have to say that WoW is bot infested as they certainly have enough to service all their servers.

if i have to guess i say it has 10x the bots then other games
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77552
(yere i like linking it :) it beat's player x saying this game bans bot and player y saying they dont)

The game has no instances so the bots can't hide. However, NC has been doing these large mass bannings that are very apparent when you look at the server loads.

people always give that excuse just look at the above link 54% has votet in the poll that 90% off the people who plays bot's and farmers arent even in the poll and no i dont belive in they mass bannings you think they ban 90% off the supscribers lol?

However, if there are lots of bots then there has to be a clientele that is worth servicing no?

To be more precise, L2 is over 3 years old. It doesn't have the population is once had but it does have a die hard community that is veryy loyal.

Also, to be fair, we don't have a huge influx of players. So essentially, you either know whether or not this is the game for you and you have to work very hard to get to a place where you can get into a good clan/alliance and get the higher lvls.

There is so much that is positive about the game that I can't (and won't list them all). However, if you are not a hardcore grinder, if you can't accept the fact that the game has a very hard economy and that the game is open pvp, then the game is not right for you.

it has a lot off negatives things to but im to lazy to list em

You've got to be driven, a bit obsessive and have a hard skin.

This game does't have fun quests. Period. It doesn't have a huge role player community either so if that is your thing then you might think twice. The updates are free but in my opinion are a bit lackluster. I think NC knows this as the next once seems to be quite large.

You have to be a self starter in this game. If you are one of the types that needs to find groups right up front then move on. Especially since most established clans won't look at you until you are lvl 20 and have passed your first class transfer (and that is for the academy... you will most likely have to be higher lvl for the actual  clan unless you get into a casual group).

This game is not really growing but it is not shrinking. It has a pretty established playerbase.

In truth, you have to know who you are in this game. Self starter and thick skinned. If you aren't then try something else. Good Luck

 

 

 

Well, my thought is that L2blah is the home for more of the "hardcore" players and players who who tend not to like rules. So I would think that that is a subset of the people who actually do post on forums (not all players post on forums).

Since that site will set off security bells I won't be able to check out that poll until I get home.

But "10X" bots? Well I would say more accuratley it is anywhere from "the same" to "100 times more" as there really isn't a way to compare them.

Other games have instances and so who can say how many bots are plying their trade.

Truth: people buy adena and purchase accounts, there is no denying that. And yes they do "do that" in other games.

Also true, in this game there is more impact from people who purchase online items as you are in direct competition with them. But it is possible to be somewhat competitve through hard work. It will take a long time though, even with the easier leveling that the later chronicles have brought.

The problem there is that by the time you get "most of the way there" you are going to get discouraged.

With this game, you are either "an L2 player" or you are not. You can either overlook the bot issue or you can't.

I don't accept the argument that "I can't see the bots in the other games therefore it is "ok" to play that game. Players either like the game or they don't.

Otherwise what it comes down to is "out of sight out of mind". Or "as long as I don't see it then it doesn't matter to me".

So with L2, a player can either learn to live with it or just move on. But then I challenge them to also "move on" from any game that offers online purchase of items.