Originally posted by Lord_Stealth
interesting wonder what exactly are the other 3 parts to the scandal?


as a former POS operator if a tower is owned by player in actuality of the game the corp owns it and ot get access the gm would need access (maybe -not sure) and if the bug involved fuel the fuel is low warning evemails only go to ceo/directors

and if the player didnt tell his leadership about the petition they might not know of it-tho you would think they would ask the player

HOWEVER the GM err'ed by not sending out a corp evemail  fyi'ing his activity as any1 in certain leadership roles would see his audit trail like the gm XX just joined our corp

I think the biggest one is removing the volunteer:  BOD (band of developers) being able to contact a GM thru MSN to ban this volunteer.  It shows that BOD is in pretty much constant contact of Dev's (not just GM's), and that what they want they pretty much get.  On top of this is the fact that this volunteer is so upset he admits to knowing other incidents that showed CCP corruption, but he kept his mouth shut because he was addicted, and was not paying to play.

I feel vindicated and BOB will forever be called BOD from me, as their corruption with the Dev's is legendary.

just a little point the new's waz adited on more time

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EDIT: For further clarification, the petition (Petition #631627) which prompted CCP Sharkbait to join the corporation was created on the 6th of May. After GMs were unable to fix the issue, an email was sent out asking for developer help. CCP Sharkbait reported the matter as resolved the same day, on the 9th of May.!

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Convenient for CCP that they are so serious about sticking to their policy of not identifying the petitioner, actually it's more hypocritical in my opinion. Also strange how the ISD guy will name names specific events and people who witnessed it but CCP don't have squat except "We can't tell you our witness because we stick to rules and regulations around here".

They're doing further investigation means thet they're trying to hammer together a cover story, but since all those names are out and there are witnesses they'll have to make some kind of minimal admission and find a sacrifical lamb. Those DEVs at CCP are so low I wouldn't p*** on one if he was burning alive and begging for help.

Good!, all you whiners cancel.  Eve is a good game and the less whiners we have the better!

Everyone of those issues in that letter has falsified information added by the goons.

The only issue here is the goons harrassment of the rest of the playerbase.  CCP should act and ban the lot of them.

Oh why is it odd that CCP never mentions names other than the developers.  Because it legally cannot.   You ever see another MMO do that, no.  The entire industry knows that is a no no.  Pretty obvious fact if you now anything about the industry.

np, we're cancelling or have already cancelled. By the thousands.

This game doesn't have that many subscribers that it can take hits like this and do well.

Not to mention the permanent black eye that CCP is getting involving it's lack of ethics. Word of mouth is killing them in forums everywhere.

The fanboi's will try to laugh this one off, but beleive me - the DEV's are sweating right now. They've screwed up, and they know it.

The biggest point in all this is not the current idiocy, not the one before that, nor the one before THAT,

but the mere fact that DEVS in the single server game have long standing and good relations/friendships and even charracters in a huge game shaking Alliance.

End of story.

Nope.

Word of mouth is huge in the gaming community, and people have been hearing this sort of assinineness for a while now.

CCP = "oh yeah, that space game where the DEVS cheat"

Just give it a little while, and another one will pop up, etc etc add nauseaum.

Oh and in a Semi-related matter: The Goons, if they truly were pissed, need to cancell all their accounts, just like I did.

ALL of them, put their money where their mouth is, so to speak.

Den, it's because they love the game. They just want the GMs to stay out of it. It's no fun when your opponent created the game, therefore you stand no chance to win (no matter how many ships you have, or how well coordinated and etc).

Keep the GM's out of the game, institute a third party Q/A system to resolve in-game issues, and hire a better HR department head. And other suggestions any common sense person would provide, geez, please lets not damn the product or the designers.

-- Brede

Originally posted by PnHobbit
Wrong, no one cares if you leave. EVE is on steady ground and as much as you'd like to think leaving will hurt them it won't. You can try to argue otherwise but see what you think when EVE is still going 5+ years from now. When the game goes under because of all you whiners leaving then feel free to rub it in my face.

 Wow you sound just like the VG fanbois. You know the ones, "what you played WoW? get out of our game we don't want you here!" or "what your computer only meets the suggested requirements and your having problems? get out of here VG doesn't need you!"

   Strangely enough VG has now a bare bones player base and had to be sold as it couldn't support itself. Guess what genus tell all the players that are tired of GM/Dev favoritizm and out right cheating (T20) to leave the game. Go ahead say anyone at all that questions anything must be a goon, and the game won't be doing as well. There won't be as much money to pay the devs, to work on new expansions etc. With many new Sci-Fi games coming out Eve is no longer the only choice and sure enough keep up your elitist arrogance and it won't be much of any choice.

  Strange how many people complain of not enough players in Eve to begin with that players would actually try and drive people away form playing or even trying the game

Originally posted by Ciredric

Good!, all you whiners cancel.  Eve is a good game and the less whiners we have the better!

Everyone of those issues in that letter has falsified information added by the goons.

The only issue here is the goons harrassment of the rest of the playerbase.  CCP should act and ban the lot of them.

Oh why is it odd that CCP never mentions names other than the developers.  Because it legally cannot.   You ever see another MMO do that, no.  The entire industry knows that is a no no.  Pretty obvious fact if you now anything about the industry.

See, it's when I see posts like this that I really do want to leave Eve. Is what Goons did stupid? Sure, but if you think that the Goons idiocy is the real issue here you are severely deluded. I do believe that Eve is a fantastic game and nothing like it has ever been done, but like I said in the other thread, if things are not investigated properly I will be leaving, and I know a large amount of people who will also be leaving. It's not an isolated few incidents of people leaving, this is a very bad time for something like this to hit CCP, with what looks like a whole bunch of good MMO's just around the corner.

Why do some many Eve fans have a problem with this? It just boggles the mind that these people would call paying customers wanting to ensure they receive a good product "whiners".

So far, I am less than impressed with the investigation, but we'll see what happens. I can understand them legally not being allowed to reveal certain elements, but the generalised, completely empty news on Sharkbait's joining and making himself director is just too weak. What was he doing? Why did he need to be made director? Why was the leadership not informed of this?

Oh noes its another conspiracy!  You'd better quit now... quickly, all of you must transfer all your ISK to me.  No time to ask questions, theyre watching us.

Originally posted by PnHobbit
You are in the wrong forum, this isn't Vanguard's forum. EVE isn't a buggy and unfinished mess. Like I said, when you see the game succeeding years from now that'll be my proof. People who think they'll ruin the game by leaving because it NEEDs them, they are just silly. EVE is as busy as ever even after the allegations.

 Ok let me get this straight EVE doesn't need players to continue? Because that of course is exactly what your saying. Ok let me read between the lines your saying EVE can survive on the BoB and some other players that will put up with  continued events like the T20 one and everyone else with even a doubt should get the hell out? It doesn't need more players to grow and according to you can afford to lose alot. I assume this would of course effect the Devs  pay (if only in raises) and the likelyhood / speed of future expansions or any of the positive things from having a bigger player base. 

  Humm somehow doesn't sound like a sound plan to me. As I stated sounds just like what the VG boys said "We don't need you players the game will do just fine" Though I agree with you for different reasons.  No sweat off my brow I have 2 accounts and all of a month invested. I can drop the game and move on to any number of games, I like EVE but I don't NEEDs EVE . So yes we'll see what happens and how old Eve will be doing in 5 years. Will it be around? I'd say yes just like Horizons, Shadowbane, and of course VG itself.