Originally posted by bukshot
I can't believe people pay $14.99 a month to play this game. From the screenshots it looks like I could have played this back in 1985, graphics are retarded. Why does everyone charge $14.99 to play their crappy games. ugh!

Don't want to start a fight with you, just giving a short answer to your question.

Battleground Europe Features

Environment
Weapons
Strategy
Communications
RPG
Communities
More

ENVIRONMENT
- First Person Point of View in all units
- Advanced Combat Simulation with Combined arms action (Air, Sea, Ground)
- Over 600 Cities and Towns to fight for, in block by block combat through over 29,000 Buildings
- Huge zoneless map of Europe covering over 350,000 kilometers with over 4,000,000 3D trees
- Over 200 Bridges that can be destroyed and repaired
- Line of Sight over 6km
- Thousands of players fighting 24/7

WEAPONS
- Over 80 different vehicles and weapons available (including land air and sea types)
- Multicrew feature allows more than one player to play in the same vehicle
- Realistic Ballistics for all weapons

STRATEGY
- Factory production sets spawnable units in the field
- Airfields host deployed fighter or bomber units
- Deep Water Ports host deployed naval flotillas
- Supply management
- Production Management
- Technologies Research Management
- Brigade Deployment
- Attack Objectives
- Defense Objectives
- Re-supply
- Cut enemy supply
- Blow and Repair Bridges
- Strategic Map
- Early Warning Air Attack System

COMMUNICATIONS
- Area Chat (Whisper, Normal, Shout)
- Enemy communications delivered as garbled translations
- Community Chat (French/Spanish/German etc...)
- High Command Chat
- Brigade Chat
- Private Messaging
- Squad Chat (Talk with your buddies)

RPG
- Multiple careers in 3 Different Armies(Air/Sea/Ground)
- Personal combat stats and records(Kills/Ratio/Death/Best Units and personal diary)
- Rank promotion with gameplay success
- Promotion to Command positions possible with tactical success
- Gazette Online newspaper(English Only)
- Campaign Stats
- Global Stats
- Join a virtual unit with your personal
- Get Missions and Orders by the High Command
- Lead your men and become an officer

COMMUNITIES
- Weekly newsletter
- Dev News/Log
- Development Screenshots
- Replies to Players questions
- Polls
- Community sites "HQ" (French, German, Italian, Spanish etc...)
- Technical Support Forum(French/English)
- Customer Support Forum (French/English)
- HQ Managers forum
- Dev team interaction via the HQs or Forum(French/English)

Originally posted by bukshot
 From the screenshots it looks like I could have played this back in 1985,

Originally posted by Corto

Originally posted by bukshot
 From the screenshots it looks like I could have played this back in 1985,

I seriously doubt you were even born then.

No, according to his bio, he would have been 4 or 5 years old in 85.

I graduated from college in 80. I'm getting old, I don't recommend it to anyone. ugh...

Originally posted by bukshot
I can't believe people pay $14.99 a month to play this game. From the screenshots it looks like I could have played this back in 1985, graphics are retarded. Why does everyone charge $14.99 to play their crappy games. ugh!

There is not a single game which you can compare to this one, i would be happy if any company would create a game with super great graphics, the same huge territory, the same very long view of serveral miles and of course realistic and historical correct equipment as good as possible as well penetration calculation, degree of impacts etc... The only 2nd mmopg is planetside, but its a science fiction mmopg without any realism or deeper content/territorial fights like this game offers.

But unfortunately no game exist still which could compete with this one here and give the thrill they are looking for, thats why they pay the monthly fee. There is also another reason, the game development didnt stuck and every several months new content and patches are beeing released, heck they plan even to release a new engine this or next year and players stick with the hope even it takes long and the rats promise often too much. In 1985 you could play only pac man game types on your c64, even only 7 years ago the game did look quiete different and curren game graphics would run in minus fps digits on your system at this time. Just do a research and watch the screenshots 5 years ago and now, totally different game and graphics. But the most imporatant, people dont play it for the graphics they play it for the game content, you will forget fast about the graphics if you really into this game and instead concentrate on your fights on the battlefield. This game is a hardcore simulation mmopg and not just a shoot em up like all other games, its a niche game and not developed for the mass, its just the best world war 2 sim game you can get at the moment.

Originally posted by hardcase
The same statement. The graphics while not stand alone quality are always improving. The reason they are not standalone quality is that Standalones have 200x200 METER map which use fog, bldgs etc to reduce the view distance so they can have vehicles players bldgs of high numbered polygons. WW2OL..has a 6K view distance and must be able to show 128 players in your view, look left..another 128 players, look right...128 and so on. Graphics must be budgeted so that people will be able to play with good FPS, view 6k..more in the air and see, show players, dead bodies, tanks, tank hulks, towns, bldgs, roads, bridges, trees, bushes. And rermember that the state of the art physics model is grinding your CPU at all times. Each round is tracked for 3k...EACH. The speed energy, angle of flight..angle of penetration, damage to the component(no hit bubble), loss of energy due to the damage, speed of exit, angle of exit, amout of spalling produced, concussion effect(if any) produced, and all this is tracked and sent to the front ends till the round is spent or 3k is reached. Graphics are good, gameplay is best..gameplay for me always. SH4 is pretty but I think the gameplay is flawed. SH4 will soon come off my machine, WW2OL has been on since the first iteration of beta in June of 2000.

This isn't an issue in 2007.

What really kills there ability to upgrade the graphics is all the calculations they do. That part is impressive.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by hardcase
The same statement. The graphics while not stand alone quality are always improving. The reason they are not standalone quality is that Standalones have 200x200 METER map which use fog, bldgs etc to reduce the view distance so they can have vehicles players bldgs of high numbered polygons. WW2OL..has a 6K view distance and must be able to show 128 players in your view, look left..another 128 players, look right...128 and so on. Graphics must be budgeted so that people will be able to play with good FPS, view 6k..more in the air and see, show players, dead bodies, tanks, tank hulks, towns, bldgs, roads, bridges, trees, bushes. And rermember that the state of the art physics model is grinding your CPU at all times. Each round is tracked for 3k...EACH. The speed energy, angle of flight..angle of penetration, damage to the component(no hit bubble), loss of energy due to the damage, speed of exit, angle of exit, amout of spalling produced, concussion effect(if any) produced, and all this is tracked and sent to the front ends till the round is spent or 3k is reached. Graphics are good, gameplay is best..gameplay for me always. SH4 is pretty but I think the gameplay is flawed. SH4 will soon come off my machine, WW2OL has been on since the first iteration of beta in June of 2000.

This isn't an issue in 2007.

What really kills there ability to upgrade the graphics is all the calculations they do. That part is impressive.

And the almost 10 year old engine...they did start to develop the engine in the late 90ies, dont forget that guys

But they did squeeze out amazing graphics from this old engine....when you compare to the pictures in the first 2 years after release. Hope to see soon pictures with the new engine they are working on.

This is actually one of the MMO´s i keep sticking to, love the feeling of realism and sences, cuzz this game gives it all, i recument this game for everyone but wow players, the reward is much much better...

Look me up if you starting..

Sincerly Smek75