Originally posted by pablo0713

Originally posted by Clada
easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.

If LotRO is a clone of  WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.

You need to look deeper into it, then just on the basic idea that all mmo's build off of eachother - which is true. 

LOTR online is a clone of wow due to the fact its actual strucutre is exactly the same as WOW.  You progress from zone to zone in a very linear manner compleating hundreads of quests.  Do most mmorpg's have that kind of strucutre - no.  Even graphicaly, both are very kiddy and desighned to run on an avg pc with settings on high, really does nothing new.

Originally posted by Bafucin

Nah I don't wanna piss off people. I just don't understand why they even use time and money on a game like this. At this time.

Why not wait and make it even more special, with some own ideas, better design etc. Make a NEW fantasy game that will rule them all.

This and Warhammer are very close to WoW. Good or bad? I think it's bad. Why copy and old game that so many have been or playing right now. People whant something new. Not enter a game that is close to the ones they have been playing for some years.

I just don't understand it. Thats all. ^^,

 

Originally posted by Suplyndmnd

Originally posted by Bafucin

It's LOTR... yeah but still close to the rest of fantasy mmorpg out there. And with over 7 million people playing WoW, will this game make it? Maybe Gandalf and his friends can help it stay alive a little. I dunno.

We also have Vanguard and soon Warhammer... fantasy, fantasy, fantasy... same shit different name...

I think it's a bad time.

To piss off fanboy's and give trolls something to post on message boards with subjects like "Over 7 million playing WoW, why even make this game?"

Originally posted by Clada

 

Originally posted by pablo0713

Originally posted by Clada
easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.

If LotRO is a clone of  WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.

You need to look deeper into it, then just on the basic idea that all mmo's build off of eachother - which is true. 

LOTR online is a clone of wow due to the fact its actual strucutre is exactly the same as WOW.  You progress from zone to zone in a very linear manner compleating hundreads of quests.  Do most mmorpg's have that kind of strucutre - no.  Even graphicaly, both are very kiddy and desighned to run on an avg pc with settings on high, really does nothing new.

I don't play lotr anymore or wow, currently not playing any mmo waiting on something new like pirates of the burning sea but your point you just made is exactly the point the other guy was trying to make, while yes the structure of lotr is almost identical to wow, but wows structure is also almost identical to the mmo's before it.  WoW did not reinvent mmorpg nor did it come up with anything new.  All it did was take the best features of past mmos and streamlined it.  I disagree on the graphics part.  Wow has way more of a kiddy graphic style then lotr does.

Originally posted by Ryun511
I played WoW, Vanguard, and LoTRO (although I'll admit the last two I only played till about level 20) and I still want  a fantasy MMO. I'm sure a lot of other people do too.

I didn't get bored of the last two games because they were fantasy, I got bored of them because it was basically just the same thing over again. I'm hoping AoC will change that

unfortunately all fantasy mmo's will be basically the same with just a different cover on it, AoC will be no different.   Plus AoC is being designed for the consoles also so imagine all the "loading zone please wait" screens you will see,  this in my mind is a step backwords in the mmo world, but it will have dx10 and supposedly a new combat system going for it though.

Originally posted by Kcissem

Originally posted by Clada

 

Originally posted by pablo0713

Originally posted by Clada
easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.

If LotRO is a clone of  WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.

You need to look deeper into it, then just on the basic idea that all mmo's build off of eachother - which is true. 

LOTR online is a clone of wow due to the fact its actual strucutre is exactly the same as WOW.  You progress from zone to zone in a very linear manner compleating hundreads of quests.  Do most mmorpg's have that kind of strucutre - no.  Even graphicaly, both are very kiddy and desighned to run on an avg pc with settings on high, really does nothing new.

 

I don't play lotr anymore or wow, currently not playing any mmo waiting on something new like pirates of the burning sea but your point you just made is exactly the point the other guy was trying to make, while yes the structure of lotr is almost identical to wow, but wows structure is also almost identical to the mmo's before it.  WoW did not reinvent mmorpg nor did it come up with anything new.  All it did was take the best features of past mmos and streamlined it.  I disagree on the graphics part.  Wow has way more of a kiddy graphic style then lotr does.

That is not the point i am making, and wow is NOT a clone of mmo's before it.  I do not like WOW, but I do need to give the game credit for being easy to get into.  It was one of the first mmo's to really push quests at you, hundreads of them with the goal of trying to hide the grinde, you progressed in a very linear manner, zone by zone.  No other mmo before that really had that kind of setup.  Other then guild wars(which i think is a good game) and lotr none really do still to that extent.

Originally posted by Atomicide
LotRO managed to do one thing WoW didn't do, cut out the PvP more or less from the start. That way they managed to sucessfully cut the fastest growing sector of the mmorpg market out of the game. This means when they realise the mistake and try to patch in PvP at a later date, it should be even more retarded than the first revision of WoW's honor system.

Originally posted by Bafucin

It's LOTR... yeah but still close to the rest of fantasy mmorpg out there. And with over 7 million people playing WoW, will this game make it? Maybe Gandalf and his friends can help it stay alive a little. I dunno.

We also have Vanguard and soon Warhammer... fantasy, fantasy, fantasy... same shit different name...

I think it's a bad time.

Originally posted by Clada

Originally posted by Kcissem

Originally posted by Clada

 

Originally posted by pablo0713

Originally posted by Clada
easy, this game is a copy of wow they are trying to attract the same market.

If LotRO is a clone of  WoW, then WoW is a clone of EQ1 and EQ1 is a clone of Diku MUDDs and Diku MUDDs
were clones of paper and pencil RPGs. Like music or any other art form, it is all built up upon previous ideas. Every MMO is built on this foundation. I just don't buy that cliche remark when people judge other MMOs by calling it a WoW clone considering WoW was nothing but an accumulation of what was done before.

You need to look deeper into it, then just on the basic idea that all mmo's build off of eachother - which is true. 

LOTR online is a clone of wow due to the fact its actual strucutre is exactly the same as WOW.  You progress from zone to zone in a very linear manner compleating hundreads of quests.  Do most mmorpg's have that kind of strucutre - no.  Even graphicaly, both are very kiddy and desighned to run on an avg pc with settings on high, really does nothing new.

 

I don't play lotr anymore or wow, currently not playing any mmo waiting on something new like pirates of the burning sea but your point you just made is exactly the point the other guy was trying to make, while yes the structure of lotr is almost identical to wow, but wows structure is also almost identical to the mmo's before it.  WoW did not reinvent mmorpg nor did it come up with anything new.  All it did was take the best features of past mmos and streamlined it.  I disagree on the graphics part.  Wow has way more of a kiddy graphic style then lotr does.

 

That is not the point i am making, and wow is NOT a clone of mmo's before it.  I do not like WOW, but I do need to give the game credit for being easy to get into.  It was one of the first mmo's to really push quests at you, hundreads of them with the goal of trying to hide the grinde, you progressed in a very linear manner, zone by zone.  No other mmo before that really had that kind of setup.  Other then guild wars(which i think is a good game) and lotr none really do still to that extent.

Must not have played the same mmos i played as the quests and the way they progressed felt the same to me but either way in my opinion quests that lead you to new quests that lead you to the next area that leads to more quests until you reach the lvl cap is not a good thing.  Too much hand holding requires very little effort in trying to figure out things for yourself and explore to find things to do.  Hand holding is good for the new and casual players though,  Personally the reason i quit both wow and lotr and past mmos is for that reason cuz i would get bored having everything handed to me and not feeling like i actually acomplished something.   Again it's just my opinion and everyone has their own and is entitled to it.

Why, oh why, cant everyone just let everyone else enjoy whichever game pleases them most without  having to resort to bashing them on forums for it.

What one enjoys, the next might not. Sheer numbers speak for the popularity of anything, whether you or I like it or not. Thats a fact of life.

Live and let live!

Originally posted by tenpigs

Why, oh why, cant everyone just let everyone else enjoy whichever game pleases them most without  having to resort to bashing them on forums for it.

What one enjoys, the next might not. Sheer numbers speak for the popularity of anything, whether you or I like it or not. Thats a fact of life.

Live and let live!

This website is a place where many MMORPG players gather together in search of honest, and opiniated reviews on all the more publicized MMORPG's and more.

I might have no trouble making my point with a few simple sentences and some elongated excessively used words, but some people are not able to do that same thing. They have to use anger and hatred and RAWRness. That's why we come here. The variety of people for a variety of opinions so that you can get the facts on every angle and aspect of the games. The good and the bad. Welcome to MMORPG critiqueing baby.

Originally posted by tenpigs

Why, oh why, cant everyone just let everyone else enjoy whichever game pleases them most without  having to resort to bashing them on forums for it.

What one enjoys, the next might not. Sheer numbers speak for the popularity of anything, whether you or I like it or not. Thats a fact of life.

Live and let live!

unfortunately that is what most forums are used for nowadays.  Fanboys for one game bashes the fanboys other game and vice versa, it's a viscious cycle.

LOL its very sad, thats all I can say. Constructive criticism is fine but there is a lot of trolling on most forums now.

Its just my cp worth, thats all

A lot of people playing WoW are looking for something new.  WoW is getting old and people like myself are looking for something to fill the void.  LOTRO may not make it in the long run because of Warhammer and some other upcoming titles, but for the time being it's a great game to fill the void. 

Originally posted by Saabat
They made Lord of the Rings Online because I asked them to.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by Atomicide
LotRO managed to do one thing WoW didn't do, cut out the PvP more or less from the start. That way they managed to sucessfully cut the fastest growing sector of the mmorpg market out of the game. This means when they realise the mistake and try to patch in PvP at a later date, it should be even more retarded than the first revision of WoW's honor system.

LOL... do you really not understand that the hardcore PvP crowd is a small minority?   I guess if nothing else, LOTRO proves that a game can be successful with only minimal focus on PvP. 

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Originally posted by Bafucin
It's LOTR... yeah but still close to the rest of fantasy mmorpg out there. And with over 7 million people playing WoW, will this game make it? Maybe Gandalf and his friends can help it stay alive a little. I dunno.
We also have Vanguard and soon Warhammer... fantasy, fantasy, fantasy... same shit different name...
I think it's a bad time.

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Why is it a bad time ? Turbine has had a very successful game launch and LOTRO is making money. Other then your childish opinion why is this a bad time exactly? I used to play Wow and got bored like millions of other people who will eventually get bored or are bored of WoW. Why is it a bad time to add something different into the MMO genre that isn't WoW?