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Shannia
Novice Member
Joined: 11/06/05
"World of WarCraft is held alive solely by the mediocrity of competing products." RendRegen |
No? Well you should. It is your future and I've been saying it since the day of the Sony announcement. Same thing that is happening to Vanguard will soon happen to all things P.E. The only assimilating that will be going on in P.E.'s future will be SoE owning two new titles from P.E.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product." |
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5/15/07 4:37:57 PM#2
Damn, i think we should listen to this guy, hes pretty convincing
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5/15/07 5:04:57 PM#3
Ya, all of the other threads on this aren't worthy of his insight.
Never give up and never surrender! |
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5/15/07 6:47:01 PM#4
Originally posted by Shannia
Look at the facts. Vanguard, a game that took 5 years and 30 million to make is doing very POORLY. They overspent and did not manage their money good enough. No other MMO has used 30 mil to make a game besides WoW. Since when has P.E. or Gods and Heroes been in danger of running out of money, or when has this title used up 30 Million to release a game still in the beta phase? Yeah, I thought so... Learn the facts before you talk next time. |
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Shannia
Novice Member
Joined: 11/06/05
"World of WarCraft is held alive solely by the mediocrity of competing products." RendRegen |
Originally posted by Osirus28
I guess that was some other company and not P.E. that pushed back G&H again. I guess it was some other company that lost it's CM that the community respected just a week before the same company fired about 35 staffers and moved the STO team back to HQ and then pushed STO back a year even though it has been in production longer than G&H. Ya, P.E. wouldn't know anything about classless moves like signing on with SoE knowing the community was begging for them not to. Ya, P.E. wouldn't know anything about laying off 1/3 of it's staff during the holidays last year. Ya, I need to go learn my facts because P.E. is the most honest company in the MMOG industry and while I'm at it their head doesn't have a reputation for building titles only to sell them off to the highest bidder. Ya, thanks for setting me straight. Remember, the same company that "saved" Vanguard as you put it is the only company that would sign G&H. Smed isn't stupid. He knows what he is doing and you can bet that as part of their agreement to publish the game if the company needs "saving", SoE will be there to pick up the pieces for G&H and STO, just like they are doing for Vanguard. Like it or not, your game is already owned by SoE... it is just a matter of time before it become official.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product." |
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5/15/07 9:20:10 PM#6
Well its a good thing that I got over SOE and SWG oh about 2 years ago! I personally have nothing against SOE. They are a company set to make money and they go about it just like almost every other company out there. Have they made mistakes? Sure, but as long as the produce great games, I am content.
EQ2 is a good game. It runs well and plays well. And I think that SOE will save Vanguard. I personally will not touch Vanguard right now but maybe after a few months of SOE involvement maybe Vanguard will be at least, you know, playable. SOE will help PE publish and do things that PE cannot. I think its a good alliance and I don't think PE cares about SOE's reputation. SOE hater's may be vocal but its a small segment on the MMO population. Ever considered why Microsoft jumped ship on Vanguard? I think you are giving Sigil too much credit. Here is a thought: If you hate SOE and you hate PE, don't play Gods and Heroes. It probably is not a good idea. And there really is no need to come here and "warn" us about SOE/PE. I think we are adults here and can make our decisions for ourselves. |
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5/15/07 9:29:05 PM#7
Stop confusing the SOE Hate Cult with logic and common sense - they might implode or something. Some of them - maybe most - will NEVER get over it. They are certain that SOE did special research to find out what would really make them mad, and then did it - just to personally screw them. Corporations do that you know - most have personal vendettas against their customers. Anyone that watches movies knows that. The irrational extent of some of the SOE hate is hard for me to believe at times - yet on the old VG boards people actually said that it was better for VG to fail than for SOE to take it over.. |
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Anofalye
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/19/03
The enemy is so dumb! They believe that WE are the enemy! - A famous orc commander. |
5/15/07 9:30:40 PM#8
When I read that God and Heroes was about massing massive armies, where each player lead a squad...I visualize a raid consisting of MM in CoV and I told myself...Nope, not for me.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - René Levesque about the denial NO on the poll to his dream, project and goal. (Free translation) |
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5/16/07 11:06:04 AM#9
Has anyone thought of the idea that the Sigil acquisition was already in the works over a year ago, when Microsoft dumped Vanguard and SOE came to the rescue? Brad is pretty tight with SOE's upper management, and it makes perfect sense.
Smed - Get the game released and we'll take over a couple months after release. Brad - But its not done yet, and needs at least 2 more years of development Smed - You've got 1 year, don't get too comfy in your office. Anyway, I hope PE can see their dream come to life without much of SOE's help. |
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5/17/07 10:58:33 AM#10
Not worried at all Vanguard was a train wreck well before soe got it mitts into it. With bad management and poor decision making from the very top |
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5/18/07 2:11:32 AM#11
^^^^^ I have to agree that Vanguard does need Sony at the moment, personally I cant understand what all the fuss is about. Hopefully it will become the game it should have been on release.
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Brenelael
 Elite Member
Joined: 10/19/06
Pointing out the Obvious to the Oblivious since 2006 |
5/22/07 1:10:36 PM#12
Originally posted by ShanniaAnd? So what if it is? Like it or not but SOE has turned out some great games. So they messed up SWG.......GET OVER IT ALREADY!!! I got news for you SWG wasn't a great game to begin with and what happened to it was as much Lucas Arts' fault if not more so. You really need to go and find some of your Ex-SWG SOE Hate troll buddies and cry to them because I got news for you........NO ONE ELSE CARES!!! Enough said and good day to you.  Bren while(horse==dead) |
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Samuraisword
 Novice Member
Joined: 2/15/06
Gamers who use RMT are like athletes who use steroids |
5/22/07 1:56:49 PM#13
What games(plural) has SOE made great? Matrix online? Planetside? EQ1 was a better game before SOE took control away from Brad Mcquaid and focused on raiding and forced grouping. EQ2 has never been a good game, was disliked by most when it was released, and has half the subscribers now. SOE's involvement with Gods and Heroes is a negative, not a positive. |
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5/22/07 2:34:51 PM#14
But G&H is not a SOE title so.... no fuss no worry. period.
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Brenelael
Elite Member
Joined: 10/19/06
Pointing out the Obvious to the Oblivious since 2006 |
5/22/07 3:06:52 PM#15
Originally posted by SamuraiswordThis is all your opinion as seen through your +2 Crimson Goggles of SOE Hate. Hundreds of thousands of subscribers(If not millions considering the amount of games they produce) think differently. Bren Edit: Oh and isn't there a sticky thread at the top of this forum for all of this BS. It's there so the rest of us that don't give a crap(the majority) don't have to deal with it. I suggest that you use it in the future for this kind of mindless SOE hate trolling as that is why the mods put it there in the first place. while(horse==dead) |
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damian7
Apprentice Member
Joined: 4/20/06
why must i be nice to people that have no clue, are lying, or are just stupid? |
5/23/07 5:54:36 PM#16
Originally posted by templarga lmao, you said soe produces great games. that's a good one! could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please? |
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5/24/07 8:38:19 AM#17
Er, did you not see the post about putting this hate crap on the other thread, you know, the thread no-one is interested in..
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xauss
 Novice Member
Joined: 12/05/05
why do today, that which you can put off till tomorrow |
5/27/07 8:43:44 AM#18
Originally posted by Faelen
after they have derailed the other threads with their OT vitriol, they will just create a new ones over and over again like malfunctioing automatons... dont get angry at the poor misguided sheep, feel pity for the intelectually retarded
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bezado
 Advanced Member
Joined: 1/21/04
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5/27/07 2:46:21 PM#19
Whats the big deal with SOE and people sterotyping it. I only began to renounce my strife with SOE and completly understand them and what they have been accomplishing over the last year.
SOE is not bad, it is doing the same thing as the other major MMO's and basicly by design has some of the best MMORPG's out to date. Vanguard isn't a SOE game persay since it was made entirely before SOE got it and then publishing rights and what not. SOE has EQ2 and nothing its been doing to EQ2 has been flawed, its actually improved every month since the first 4 bad months it was out. EQ2 should be an example of what good SOE has been doing. I think people need to start understanding that they can't hold grudges on a company like this for having done things differently to its older EQ1 game, it was inevitable for changes and it can't be fresh forever. People who look at EQ1 and whats happened blame it all on SOE, it really is a old game that still is survived by its community, others who say it broke the game do not get how things change with the times. EQ1 is an example here since its so old and tons of good and bad has happened. You can't be the greatest forever but you can learn from your mistakes, and I think SOE learned for the most part on all their mistakes. EQ2 is a great example of that. Please stop the sterotyping of how SOE is killing new titles because it has its hands in it. I think thats the worst thing to say regarding how SOE was one of the biggest developer who started the huge mass market for these true MMORPG's. I would of said UO but it wasn't like what SOE had done with EQ1, it provided us with true 3D worlds and content unlike that of previous MMORPG's. I would say for the current generation of MMORPG's SOE was the most creative in creating some of the best original content.
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5/27/07 2:57:59 PM#20
Originally posted by BrenelaelThe only great game SoE has had in its possession was Everquest and its success was mostly pinned on the fact it was the first and only 3D MMOG to release. Players coming into the genre were given the choice between 2d UO or 3d EQ. Even so, EQ's 'millions' were acquired over a period of 8+ years, its current population is a shadow of its former glory. EQ2, is much the same, it was buggy and rush released, its population isnt impressive either and it never has been. SWG? buggy and rush released became a train wreck. Planetside? Good release, too little development. MxO? Being milked, little development. So which games were great? Becuase I can only consider the possibiilty of one being great and that game wasnt even made by SoE. SoE has shifted its business proceedings to become like a parasite, use the marginal success (or failures) of other MMO's buy them and profit from the proceedings by reducing the costs of patching and service. To view the recent acquirement of Vanguard positively is to throw all caution to the wind. SoE could do what they've done to past MMO's pull up a bucket and start milking it.  --- |
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