Originally posted by Amathe
This paid 'I came back and it's better" ad brought to you by SOE. That's the new marketing theme.

And your post reminds me of

"This paid 'I have no life and continuously troll the forums of a game which I dont play but hate' ad is brought to you by [insert name of a competitor or banned gold farmer]. 

Seriously, speak to your parents, they might be able to help you with your problems, Amathe.

Originally posted by Tautology

Originally posted by Amathe
This paid 'I came back and it's better" ad brought to you by SOE. That's the new marketing theme.

And your post reminds me of

"This paid 'I have no life and continuously troll the forums of a game which I dont play but hate' ad is brought to you by [insert name of a competitor or banned gold farmer]. 

 

Seriously, speak to your parents, they might be able to help you with your problems, Amathe.

People have a right to trash a bad game when they see one.

VG is one.

So anyway...get lost.

Originally posted by Drea-mer

Originally posted by Tautology

Originally posted by Amathe
This paid 'I came back and it's better" ad brought to you by SOE. That's the new marketing theme.

And your post reminds me of

"This paid 'I have no life and continuously troll the forums of a game which I dont play but hate' ad is brought to you by [insert name of a competitor or banned gold farmer]. 

 

Seriously, speak to your parents, they might be able to help you with your problems, Amathe.

People have a right to trash a bad game when they see one.

VG is one.

So anyway..get lost.

Nobody would say anything if criticism is delivered in a constructive way which would be beneficial to the whole mmorpg scene. 

And to Amathe, you are right, it was a viral marketing message, a positive consumer review is a viral marketing message or were you thinking of stealth marketing?

Anyway back to my dreamer friend, read the forum rules.

The problem with having the CEO go onto public forums and talk at great length about how their fans should take part in viral marketting on forums, is that everyone see's this and then expects it. So everytime someone posts about how its getting better, just looks like part of their viral campaign.

To make that sort of thing succesful Brad, you should probably keep it to your inner team

Originally posted by Drea-mer

Originally posted by Tautology

Originally posted by Amathe
This paid 'I came back and it's better" ad brought to you by SOE. That's the new marketing theme.

And your post reminds me of

"This paid 'I have no life and continuously troll the forums of a game which I dont play but hate' ad is brought to you by [insert name of a competitor or banned gold farmer]. 

 

Seriously, speak to your parents, they might be able to help you with your problems, Amathe.

People have a right to trash a bad game when they see one.

VG is one.

So anyway...get lost.

Originally posted by Wobblebob

The problem with having the CEO go onto public forums and talk at great length about how their fans should take part in viral marketting on forums, is that everyone see's this and then expects it. So everytime someone posts about how its getting better, just looks like part of their viral campaign.

To make that sort of thing succesful Brad, you should probably keep it to your inner team

Originally posted by Xabora

Originally posted by Drea-mer

Originally posted by Tautology

Originally posted by Amathe
This paid 'I came back and it's better" ad brought to you by SOE. That's the new marketing theme.

And your post reminds me of

"This paid 'I have no life and continuously troll the forums of a game which I dont play but hate' ad is brought to you by [insert name of a competitor or banned gold farmer]. 

 

Seriously, speak to your parents, they might be able to help you with your problems, Amathe.

People have a right to trash a bad game when they see one.

VG is one.

So anyway...get lost.

Dang dude... if you have such a problem with vanguard why do you act like such an ass to everyone in the vanguard forum.
You don't see be bust in the Lineage II forums bashing everyone there because they happen to like a game I do not.

Lastly your other post sounded like something Jack Thompson would write.

Pft, I don't act like an ass, at least it's not my intention.

Lots, feel the same way about VG than me, the majority of posts here maybe even?

I just write what I feel like writing I guess.

Originally posted by Enigami
....And I have to say, they (Sigil, or SOE as some like to argue) have made some good improvements. I have been away for over a month, and I recently decided to resubscribe a few days ago. I rarely post on these forums, and if anyone is curious, I am currently playing another well received MMO, so I am not a fanboy, vanboy, or anything of the like. I actually quit VG within the first two months out of disgust, due to the unplayable FPS, the broken quests, and dull feeling of the game overall. But I do have to be honest, and fair. I feel that Sigil has done a fine job in making improvements to VG. Maybe not as many improvements as some would have, but I feel they are progressing well. The FPS have dramatically improved (and no, I have not upgraded my PC in the meantime), the combat is quicker and less laggy, and the overall feel of the game is less buggy and more complete. Granted, when I re-subscribed, I started a different race and different class. I have to say I identify alot more with the necromancer class than I do the shaman class, even though I usually play healers in MMO's. I still believe that Sigil has done a good job of making improvements. Does this mean there is no more work to be done? Of course not, and Sigil has alot of work to do if they want to make this the top MMO. But it has gotten better, and that is the whole point of this post. Does that justify them charging current players $15 a month for? That is not for me to decide. I believe, despite my previous disgust with this title, that it does have some lasting power. If Sigil could just iron out the remaining bugs, work on smoothing the client, and, yes, work on getting back the jaded players (which I once was).....Yes, it could become the premier MMO. We shall see....I just wanted to share my own opinion, which is neither fanboy or hater, on the current state of VG, so that others that are interested in the game may have a second opinion free of all they hate/love. Here's to wishing whatever MMO you're playing is a fun and enjoyable one!

Welcome back.  Sorry that you were attacked for stating your opinion, but I guess that's the nature of MMORPG.com.

I've played continuously through since launch.  The FPS increase that I've seen is fairly significant.  Three reasons I think:  1) client optimization including locking down the memory leak (not completely locked down yet), 2) my new Geforce 8800 GTX drivers made a big difference when they were released 2-3 weeks ago and 3) the additional video options added to the client allow me to further customize and refine my settings so I get the eye candy I want while maintaining decent fps.

Example:  I MUST have eye candy, so I play with many settings on high.  RoTK brutalized my FPS.  When I first hit RoTK I got 5-10 in fights.  Now I get 15-20 in fights.  RoTK is also running full again, /who produces 40 players (it's a frickin zoo).  That's a pretty nice improvement and I know some were so disgusted with the way it was originally, that they either wouldn't go there or simply unsubscribed because they couldn't play in a 'feature' low-mid level dungeon.

Originally posted by Tautology

Originally posted by Amathe
This paid 'I came back and it's better" ad brought to you by SOE. That's the new marketing theme.

And your post reminds me of

"This paid 'I have no life and continuously troll the forums of a game which I dont play but hate' ad is brought to you by [insert name of a competitor or banned gold farmer]. 

 

Seriously, speak to your parents, they might be able to help you with your problems, Amathe.

Lol. If your bio is accurate Tautology, I have neckties older than you.  So give the "people who disagree with me are children" theme a rest.

I find it interesting that some folks cast the "troll" word around when speaking in defense of a game they like. But how do they behave when they are talking about a game they don't like? Let's see. Here is a post by Tautology trashing LoTR up on side and down the other:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/1235593#1235593

According to him, LoTR is mostly for kids and first time mmo players with a cheap machine. Now I ask you, is that fair? Is it true? Is it constructive? Or has Tautology taken a deep drink from the well of fatuous hypocrisy?

They can improve the games performance, though I've not noticed any difference, but they can't seem to improve the fanboys. I wonder if they ever consider that their invective does more harm than good when someone shows up to see if the game is worth picking up, or even when previous players poke their head in to check on the games progress.

The Holier-than-thou attitude they display about people bashing VG, when they do the exact same to other games is a laugh riot, though.

Originally posted by Drea-mer

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by DeadJester

Originally posted by Drea-mer

I'm sorry, but the FPS still suck, the crashes are still there, the game isn't less buggy or more complete.

There's still no flying mounts, no raids, no fellowships, no forums, nothing.

Even in beta there were posts going "oooooooooh the fps / game / pos has dramaticly inproved".

The engine is still the same, the crashes are still there, the fps is still the same.

The "official tech forums", is full with people complaing about crashes and performance, even more so now than a few months ago.

Thank for your viral marketing though, I think you're not fooling anyone.

It is you that does not know what they are talking about . you dont play so how do you know all the stuff you say you know  give me a break and yes they do have a forum now and the game is getting better . I just quit last month but the game had gotten better . I left because I dont like the  fact its hard to find players to group with all the time and I wanted to try something diffrent. but when I left this game was getting better so stop the trolling just to troll and go play your LoTrO or Wow.

you talking about the tech forums ?

forums.station.sony.com/vg/forums/show.m

they were there at launch I thought .

There you go, jack posted them, go look on those forums about the thousands of posts about crashes and bad performance, all resent too.

People don't buy brad's bs here, sorry.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=11110&sid=1  Tech forums for WoW with posts from people dealing with the same issues in that 2 year old game.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=technical  Tech forum for CoH with posts from people dealing with the same issues in that 3 year old game.

http://boards.lineage2.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=gentech Tech forum for Lineage 2 with posts from people dealing with the same issues in that 3 year old game.

http://boards.autoassault.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=hardware Auto assualt.

I could post a link to EVERY MMO on the market with thousands of posts exactly like the ones in the Tech forums for VG.

Your agrument is baseless.

Originally posted by Wobblebob

The problem with having the CEO go onto public forums and talk at great length about how their fans should take part in viral marketting on forums, is that everyone see's this and then expects it. So everytime someone posts about how its getting better, just looks like part of their viral campaign.

To make that sort of thing succesful Brad, you should probably keep it to your inner team

To be honest I am guilty of bashing the game in person to a number of people. At the local game store where I shop,  the managers, workers, and myself would discuss different MMO's. I would always use VG as an example of what NOT to do with an MMO. That is before my recent return. I did plenty of "viral marketing" myself, but not in the way Brad or vanboys would have it. As stated in my OP, I have no other agenda here other than to tell other MMORPG.com users of my PERSONAL experience recently with the game. I am not an agent of Brad or Sigil. I'm just giving my own opinions about the improvements to the game since launch.

Originally posted by Drea-mer

I'm sorry, but the FPS still suck, the crashes are still there, the game isn't less buggy or more complete.

Compared to beta? This statement is simply false. When was the last time you logged in? If this guy is still playing it, and still hating it, and still sees no improvement yet isn't smart enough to cancel his account and save 15 bucks a month,  I'd say he's not exactly full of sage wisdom anyone should follow. But more likely, he isn't playing and thus has no idea what he's talking about.

Even in beta there were posts going "oooooooooh the fps / game / pos has dramaticly inproved".

And even today...which should indicate logically that the game is improving on a consistant and regular basis.

The engine is still the same (i don't think anyone has blamed the engine who knows what they are talking about - there are coding problems, problems with the average gamer machines ability to play the game, but engine failure? That's a stretch, I can only assume you think that they should scrap the current engine and put in one that today's tech can handle better, and by the time that project is researched, developed, implemented and debugged (probably take about a year to get a new engine in) the average gaming computer will be able to handle the current engine - bad idea ), the crashes are still there (to the same extent and for the same reasons it crashed in beta? this is ludicrously wrong, my only assumption is you haven't played since beta), the fps is still the same (same as it was in beta? laughably wrong).The "official tech forums", is full with people complaing about crashes and performance, even more so now than a few months ago.

And how many official tech forums are full of people praising the tech of a game? This statement is equivilent to saying, "I went to the complaint desk and was shocked that there were people in line who had something to complain about". Bad logic all around. It still has problems, but those who are actually playing it have noted constent improvement.

Thank for your viral marketing though, I think you're not fooling anyone.

Yes, you are a regular Sherlock Holmes

Originally posted by boojiboy

Originally posted by Enigami
....And I have to say, they (Sigil, or SOE as some like to argue) have made some good improvements. I have been away for over a month, and I recently decided to resubscribe a few days ago. I rarely post on these forums, and if anyone is curious, I am currently playing another well received MMO, so I am not a fanboy, vanboy, or anything of the like. I actually quit VG within the first two months out of disgust, due to the unplayable FPS, the broken quests, and dull feeling of the game overall. But I do have to be honest, and fair. I feel that Sigil has done a fine job in making improvements to VG. Maybe not as many improvements as some would have, but I feel they are progressing well. The FPS have dramatically improved (and no, I have not upgraded my PC in the meantime), the combat is quicker and less laggy, and the overall feel of the game is less buggy and more complete. Granted, when I re-subscribed, I started a different race and different class. I have to say I identify alot more with the necromancer class than I do the shaman class, even though I usually play healers in MMO's. I still believe that Sigil has done a good job of making improvements. Does this mean there is no more work to be done? Of course not, and Sigil has alot of work to do if they want to make this the top MMO. But it has gotten better, and that is the whole point of this post. Does that justify them charging current players $15 a month for? That is not for me to decide. I believe, despite my previous disgust with this title, that it does have some lasting power. If Sigil could just iron out the remaining bugs, work on smoothing the client, and, yes, work on getting back the jaded players (which I once was).....Yes, it could become the premier MMO. We shall see....I just wanted to share my own opinion, which is neither fanboy or hater, on the current state of VG, so that others that are interested in the game may have a second opinion free of all they hate/love. Here's to wishing whatever MMO you're playing is a fun and enjoyable one!

Welcome back.  Sorry that you were attacked for stating your opinion, but I guess that's the nature of MMORPG.com.

I've played continuously through since launch.  The FPS increase that I've seen is fairly significant.  Three reasons I think:  1) client optimization including locking down the memory leak (not completely locked down yet), 2) my new Geforce 8800 GTX drivers made a big difference when they were released 2-3 weeks ago and 3) the additional video options added to the client allow me to further customize and refine my settings so I get the eye candy I want while maintaining decent fps.

Example:  I MUST have eye candy, so I play with many settings on high.  RoTK brutalized my FPS.  When I first hit RoTK I got 5-10 in fights.  Now I get 15-20 in fights.  RoTK is also running full again, /who produces 40 players (it's a frickin zoo).  That's a pretty nice improvement and I know some were so disgusted with the way it was originally, that they either wouldn't go there or simply unsubscribed because they couldn't play in a 'feature' low-mid level dungeon.

 

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=8312

Originally posted by lykken

hehe I find that funny when you say "my new GF8800 Drivers.... When there Is a thred just for that Card thats its totaly broken http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=8312

Totally broken? Meaning anyone who has an 8800 cannot play the game at all? Bit of an overstatement....if you read that thread, certain users of the card with certain other factors from their computer weighing in are having difficulty playing the game optimally. Quite different than 'totally broken'. But others who have an 8800 are doing just fine. So the word 'totally' is pretty out there. And is this Vanguard's fault? Seems to me that the posts have indicated NVidea more than Sigil.

And which mmo are you comparing this to? I'd like you to name the mmo that has never had any issues with any type of video card. Name it and I'll pull up the link in that games official forums to prove you wrong.

Damn Sigil games! It's their fault that NVidea's cards are screwed up. I blame Vanguard for everything that's wrong with my comp!

edit: just looked thru the link closer.....I counted 21 people who had issues with their 8800 on this thread.....hardly 'totally' broken. Believe it or not, there are quite a few more than 21 people using the 8800 and playing Vanguard.

Your 'proof' only proves that a few users are having some issues with a certain video card, which is more than likely the video cards fault and not Vanguards. Do some research before posting a link that disproves your point.

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by lykken

hehe I find that funny when you say "my new GF8800 Drivers.... When there Is a thred just for that Card thats its totaly broken http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=8312

 

Totally broken? Meaning anyone who has an 8800 cannot play the game at all? Bit of an overstatement....if you read that thread, certain users of the card with certain other factors from their computer weighing in are having difficulty playing the game optimally. Quite different than 'totally broken'. But others who have an 8800 are doing just fine. So the word 'totally' is pretty out there. And is this Vanguard's fault? Seems to me that the posts have indicated NVidea more than Sigil.

Damn Sigil games! It's their fault that NVidea's cards are screwed up. I blame Vanguard for everything that's wrong with my comp!

I have a theory. I'd like everyone who uses an 8800gtx and crashes in Vanguard to please post their vgclient.log file here" Yes Totaly broken........

And when someone says, after I got the 8800 everything was at 100% is a PURE LIER