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Let's be realistic here. I know a lot of people want or wanted to like this game. I know a lot of people were looking forward to this game (myself included) and hoped that it would bring back the greatness of the original EverQuest (before SOE ruined it) but it's time to admit that Vanguard: Saga of Heroes just isn't worth anyone's time and certainly not worth $50 + $15/month. Firstly, the graphics don't look very good despite the stringent requirements and inability of this game to function acceptably on a computer that isn't top of the line. Is Vanguard's game engine even capable of properly running a MMORPG? It doesn't appear so. The original EverQuest graphics, which are 8 years old, looked better and were more immersive than the graphics I observed in Vanguard. Is it just me or was that magical, immersive feeling just completely absent from Vanguard? Everything looked plain, dull, empty and artificial. Even World of Warcraft's cartoonish graphics were more immersive and my opinion on World of Warcraft is very low to say the least. Furthermore, doesn't it seem sort of lame that the makers of Vanguard tout this gigantic, spacious world and then give us an empty shell? I'd rather have a small world like the pre-Kunark EverQuest where each area had some degree of significance. A lot of the "space" in Vanguard was only put into the world to give the illusion that the world is more immersive than it actually is. PvP combat was always more enjoyable in EverQuest before those gigantic expansions were added on. Is it me or do the player characters look uninspiring and somewhat idiotic looking? The original EverQuest graphics (before that lousy "upgrade") looked very good, despite being 8 years old. The proportions and the graphics just looked good in EverQuest, Vanguard's simply look rediculous to say the least. It looks like they copied the entire interface among other things from World of Warcraft. What on earth was Sigil doing for 5 years? It seems like their greatest achievement was hyping this game up, creating a false hope that this would be the game that brought back the greatness of EverQuest. All they care about is money in my opinion, they did run out of funds afterall. I can't believe there are actually people out there giving an ounce of praise to this disaster. A lot of people are saying things will get better but i've played enough failed MMORPGs to realize that they usually don't. If anyone has played EverQuest in beta, you'd know that the game was excellent even at that early stage, even though it had its share of technical problems. There is a different between a poorly designed game and fixable bugs, I honestly don't believe that Vanguard can be fixed. If SOE released a light-coded, pre-Kunark pvp server, I would seriously consider playing EQ again, I just don't see any MMORPG that will be worth playing for a very long time unfortunately. I feel Vanguard will meet the same fate as Shadowbane, a fairly rapid demise. Very disappointing. |
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4/20/07 6:47:37 PM#2
Well said and I mostly agree. Thank you for posting
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4/20/07 6:49:31 PM#3
Its a shame you didnt find VG to your tastes but you will never reproduce that first kiss scenario in any game. Don't set your standards too high. As for VG, it has a lot to offer and a lot of potiential (yeah I know people keep saying it). Now playing: Nothing |
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4/20/07 7:48:49 PM#4
I see how you reposted this after rephrasing some problems some people pointed out in your reasoning... I still highly disagree with your thought on how original eq toons looked better than VG. EQ had flat square bodies... if you mean post luclin graphics, well, that's not original everquest
"A single battle you have won, but so quick to think that this will be the end? I, like fear, am eternal, and in your dreams, I shall forever haunt." |
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4/20/07 8:57:32 PM#5
I wish the OP could contribute a bit more information other then comparing VG to Everquest in its infancy. I don't see the correlation. 1999 Everquest's graphics are superior then VG's graphics? It as at that point I stopped comptemplating his thoughts, or my i.q. too would shrink under 100. I haven't played VG, but I may...someday.. 6 months down the road. Like others, I come to the boards to collect info, not read uninspired scribble. |
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I'm comparing Vanguard to the original EverQuest because the original EverQuest was by far the best MMORPG ever created. This may be a matter of debate for some people but not for me, they got a lot of things right the first time and no game has come close ever since. You can choose not to heed my advice and learn the hard way, through the loss of 50 bucks, that Vanguard is another disaster in a genre that won't be worth your time for a very long time. These MMORPG gaming companies, Sigil included, don't care to make a worthwhile game as much as they care about getting you to give them your money. I do not expect any MMORPG in the near future to be worthwhile, as pessimistic as that may sound, it's the reality.
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4/20/07 10:50:29 PM#7
Originally posted by Fanguard2007
Hell they even copied their logo design from a school: LOL
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4/21/07 3:32:44 AM#8
Originally posted by Drea-merPWN3D.    |
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Reklaw
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Joined: 1/07/06
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4/21/07 4:32:18 AM#9
I highly doubt the OPmotivation to write the topic as its nothing realistic about it especialy when he starts talking about beta EQ. Abviously he did not even play it, or....has totaly forgotten what it was like and only remembers the good times in EQ. Sure its to bad you did not like the game, maybe if you had the right system and tweaked a few ingame settings you would be amazed about how wrong you are about the graphics being blend, please don't say you have done that and have the right system for it, cause really that isn't realistic att all. No problem if you write a topic about you not liking Vanguard but then if you start with being realistic i do expect to read things that are realistic and not from a view point of a teenager, again nothiing wrong with such a mindset but we all know teenagers persieve realism differently then adults do, its just human narture, afcourse there are adults with teenage mindsets and in a way all of use gamers have this teen inside. But realistic means more then expressing thngs from a teenage perspective when someone is a adult. Here alittle refresh for da memory EQ tech.support nVidia driver 56.64 and gfx card fan noise Eqgame.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. FYI tech sup informs me that most nvida and ati vid cards have "issuses" that need patch to Random crashing with NVidia GeForce 5200 with updated drivers, drivers from CD work fine. GeForce2 DDR, missing file after patch message - can't log on. Stuck in Pok plz help So basicly every decent vid card has issuses and the old 32 mb cards work fine? ATI Radeon 7200 no longer supported? Win98 + Ati 9000 issues Tired of trying with my Radeon 8500 Textures blaning out. Crashing at Char Select Screen Unable to update from Directx 8.1 to 9.0b due to unable to copy Joystick.inf Directx doesn't want to update. Load Screen Window Mode Gamma Bugs and a Few fixes please This is what happens when you outsource your tech support and programmers to Radeon 7200 everythings black NVidia Graphics Card users (e.g. Win98/GEForce2 MX/MX400) who lag, spike and disconnect Blurry Sky after patch - NEED Hmm..not working anymore 1 KaitlinMourningdove 03/24/2004 06:31:21 Tried all suggested solutions ===> nada! 2 Alan_C 03/24/2004 06:22:03 Small graphical glitch/studder... Seriously Sony, At least let us CHOOSE if we want the new engine WIN 98 + Radeon 9000 Series 6 Error Eqgame.exe Looking for information on Changing account Password using CD Keys 1 davben2 Crashing in game.. 0 EbonyRage 03/24/2004 05:42:10 Locking up 1 kayzar-TM 03/24/2004 05:24:59 I hope you l33t Computer people enjoy your stars and sunsets/sunrises now I Thought EQ was working fine Issues with display driver Ackkk, what goes on here Strange hapenings Eqgame.exe has encountered a problem Zone crash when mob at 1% or just died DxDiag test 7 Motar and pestal UI Sig not saving Client Crashing Solution Still no ETA on quest container fixes? Stuck in windowed mode!
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4/21/07 8:09:35 AM#10
Though that may be a comprehensive list, it is highly doubtful that everyone experienced those
bugs. I played EQ1 for five years shortly after it released, and the number of times it crashed or I got stuck were very few indeed. The same is true with Vanguard, not everyone experiences the same bugs. In fact being able to run Vanguard at all seems to be a matter of luck. Either you experience great performance and lack of game breaking bugs or you don't. Those who do not experience crashing bugs, stuck bugs, warp bugs, and performance bugs claim they do not exist or try to minimize their impact. In the end, the person experiencing the problems must make a judgment call as to whether the bugs interfere with fun and gameplay enough to warrant continue playing or not. |
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4/21/07 9:40:16 AM#11
Most of the graphic cards listed are either low end or 3 years old. They need to upgrade before complaining such bugs/issues. |
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Reklaw
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/07/06
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4/21/07 9:43:16 AM#12
Originally posted by RPGBeech Hey bro, you really did not think i thought that list would show that EQ was unplayeble now did you? hope you did not as again would not make sence and i can bring thousends of tech bug list does never has to mean that everyone encounters them but it does proof that even EQ was not EXCELLENT as OP said. Might be a excellent experiance for him and i really do no doubt that. But then he should have said pure for himself and not call all people to remember how excellent EQ was. It will always be this way with games some encounter them some don't but you already have seen me write that many times so you really should have been so kind to try and explain something that is truly common sense....atleast for me it is
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4/21/07 9:48:57 AM#13
I love how everyone is telling us that we dont really like the game and were only kidding ourselves. Listen people, you may hate the game, and some of us may love it, but we will only stop playing once we stop having fun. All your posts pointing out flaws (that a lot fo people dont even experience) do nothing for us. Just take it easy!
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4/21/07 9:57:32 AM#14
That of course is your opinion - and since millions of people play and enjoy WOW you are clearly in the minority. Like 2,000,000:1 Since you cant find a MMORPG to enjoy stick to one of the other genre's RPG, RTS, FPS there are plenty of great games out. |
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4/21/07 10:20:47 AM#15
Originally posted by Fanguard2007 I approve this message. |
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4/21/07 10:25:55 AM#16
Originally posted by Reklaw I do not have the time or inclination to figure out why people do the things they do such as putting
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4/21/07 10:43:10 AM#17
The OP asked ... "Is it me..." Yes, it is. Sorry, but your opinions are not universal. I just started playing VG a few days ago. My machine is very average ( between the minimum and recommended specs) and it runs VG without any problems on the medium settings. At those settings I find the graphics enjoyable and immersive. I'm having fun and so are those people I've met in-game. If you need to play some other game to have fun by all means go do so. There are many options. VG is and will remain a good option for many gamers. |
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4/21/07 11:01:56 AM#18
Notice how the OP made the account yesterday just to post this? I have to wonder what kind of phycology is at work here. Listen, if you dont like VG then don't play it. Why waste your time making post after post that say the same thing and contribute nothing to the VG threads. Most of what these posts say isnt even true and the other half is purely subjective.
I like VG... it runs just fine on my average computer, I have the setting at balenced with volumetric clouds and bloom and it runs between thirty and forty frames per second on average. The game looks great. There are more quests than I could hope to finish, and the community is mature and helpfull. It's not without bugs... like occasionaly falling under the world, or CTD. The truth is that I lose more game time due to party bio breaks than I do from game problems. Isnt it time to leave the VG forum for those of us that play it? Please it's been a couple months now. We know people dont like the game, Sigil and SOE. We get your point. Now please take your pathetic show on the raod and move on. |
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4/21/07 11:03:03 AM#19
Obviously the OP has never played Vanguard.
Anyone who can say that the graphics in WoW or EQ1 are better has simply never played the game. Look, just because your PC sucks, don't come here and dog on a great game like VG. Don't be jealous of the people who CAN and DO enjoy this game as well as the graphics. No content? Empty shell? Obviously, you have not played this game. This big world has more content than any other MMO upon release and it will only get better as this game matures. How can you lie and say that there is no content in this game when there are THREE continents which offer any player three choices to level from 1 - 20, then two choices to level from 20-40, and then back to having the option of going to all three continents to adventure from 40-50? How can you lie and say that there is no content in this game when there are multiple starting areas/cities that are race based and have their own quest lines? How can you lie and say that there is no content in this game when I am CONSTANTLY having to remove quests in order to pick up new ones? No content? Go ahead and take a look at this dungeon finder web site: http://www.whitetalon.com/dungeonfinder2/default.aspx This is just content from dungeons alone. You're comments about having no content is simply bullsh!t!! Vanguard is going to die? HAHAHAHAHA, Yeah, if I could only show you screen shots of my server's ACTIVE population. Docks are filled with boats, all the areas to quest for shadow hounds and unicorns are filled with people. Go to any crafting area, again, you will see lots of people. Boat and house orders are 1 to 2 weeks backed up. Chat is always lively with people always asking questions and chatting. But, yeah, I guess this game is gonna die!!!!! (run to the hills) It never ends. I leave this web site for a couple of weeks and there are still trollers here with 1 or 2 post counts talking crap about a game that they've never played. Give it a rest already. Games like WoW and LotRO suck major ass, but you don't see me on those message boards hating the games that other people enjoy. No, I'd rather leave the forums to the fans to talk about aspects of the game they like, or don't like. I wish you'd VG trollers, obsessed over Brad weirdos would just give it a rest! Go outside, smell the flowers, go play your EQ1 and live in the past. Whatever, just quit talking about a game you don't play on a daily basis so you don't know what the hell you're talking about!!!!! Lets Eat It! |
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4/21/07 11:16:48 AM#20
I played Lineage 2 for three years, and I was one of those guys who said, "There's no way I will ever play WOW". So, when my run in Lineage 2 was over, I was excited at the prospect of playing Vanguard.
Then I actually played Vanguard . . . with many of my guildmates and other friends from Lineage 2 . . . a ready-made guild! Our experience in Vanguard did not last long. Simply put, there is was no reason to continue. There was no fun. There was no adventure. There was no POINT! That's the best description . . in one word . . that I can give Vanguard: POINTLESS. So, a friend convinced me to try another game. I did. Even though this game has been out for a while, it is still more "fresh" than Vanguard can ever hope to be. Vanguard should be shut down. Simply put. People who THINK they are having fun are just being brainwashed. I am convinced of this. No one in their right mind could possibly have fun with Vanguard. http://aion.24-hrgaming.net |
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