Originally posted by Laiina

You really need to get over that "SOE is the Antichrist" thing.

Most of the things I have seen you whine about being SOE's fault have nothing to do with SOE.

Maybe it is not SOE that has the problem - maybe it is you.

Originally posted by DMEnoc

Well to all the haters, you win. I am probably going to be canceling my sub at least for now. It has nothing to do with the fact I don't like the game though. It has to do with the fact that their min. and rec. specs are BS and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

I have an X2 3800, 2gbs of DDR2 800mhz and an 8800 GTS and while I get 50-60 fps in the wild (of course I still lag at chunks or just random times), if I get into a group it drops to the low 20's or lower. I don't mind this but considering that none of my RL friends can play the game because they don't have a setup like mine, I am pretty much playing alone 90% of the time. The population is incredibly low (this might be due to the huge size of the world) and since I play mmo's to play with other people, VG isn't cutting it atm.

Hopefully in a few months, Sigil will have gotten their shit together and either fix their game engine so regular people can play or refunded everyone their money. Till then I guess I'm done with mmo's as nothing else out is any good imho.

Man.. gotta love a thread that attracts all the resident "haters".  It's sweet you guys could come together, spew forth enough bullsh!t to fill a swimming pool, then all jump in at the same time. 

The original poster was right on, and I respect his view.  To bad it had to be dog-piled by the rest of you dillusional "I don't like this game, so noone else will.  In fact, I'll warn people to stay away, because it's the right thing to do." crowd.

Originally posted by smg77

Originally posted by Laiina

You really need to get over that "SOE is the Antichrist" thing.

Most of the things I have seen you whine about being SOE's fault have nothing to do with SOE.

Maybe it is not SOE that has the problem - maybe it is you.

Dude, that was really, really deep. Give me a minute to reflect on your awesomeness.

smg77, Laiina does have a point.

You hate SOE so much that you automatically hate this game.  Have you ever played this game? Or do you hate Vanguard which is owned and run by Sigil because you hate SOE. It makes no damn sense.

Even your avatar signature has you bashing the hell out of SOE.  Look....you hate SOE with a passion...I think we know this based on 100% of your posts here; it's very obvious. And that's fine.  I hate SOE too .....but...

...hanging out in Vangaurd and saying Vanguard sucks because you hate SOE doesnt make a lick of sense.  SOE had nothing to do with the development of the game.  It has nothing to do with the patches, it has nothing to do with Sigil.  Seriously, if you hate SOE so much you really should be over at Star Wars Galaxies or EverQuest 2 or Matrix Online or Everquest or Planetside.  Those game either were developed by SOE or now is being continued with SOE.

If you hate Vanguard at least have a valid reason why you hate it (like you think Sigil sucks, the coding sucks, the FPS sucks, or something like that) give some Sigil/Vanguard reasons but dont hate a game because of a situation that does not exist.

You know its bad when a fellow "hater" of Vangaurd has to defend the game lol.....however, I have to speak up.  I hate Vanguard to but you really need to point the finger to the correct people. 

You remind me of those people who blame the devil for everything.  Someone kills their parents and they said the Devil made me do it or someone gets caught drinking and driving or had an affair and they say the devil made me do it.  Yes, the devil is a bad person and he sucks, but when you go around blaming the devil for everything people are just going to stop taking you seriously.

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Man.. gotta love a thread that attracts all the resident "haters".  It's sweet you guys could come together, spew forth enough bullsh!t to fill a swimming pool, then all jump in at the same time. 

The original poster was right on, and I respect his view.  To bad it had to be dog-piled by the rest of you dillusional "I don't like this game, so noone else will.  In fact, I'll warn people to stay away, because it's the right thing to do." crowd.

yeah....all of us haters are these secret people who came out of the woodwork and shadows who never played the game or who was never was a fan of the game or never followed the game for the last four years. 

....maybe there is a reason why there is so many people here who hate the game.  There could be a correlation between that and Vanguard. Maybe?

But seriously,

I have seen just as many bad vanbois as i have haters. Your arguments would have been valued if you seen the people who didnt like the game give a 30 page synopsis of why they dont like it and why others would be waisting their money buying it only for the vanbois to blurt out the exact same immature statement you did.

The fact is this:

1.  These forums arent censored like FoH, Silky Venom, and Tentonhammer is.  If you dont want to see people posting negatively about a game you're gonna have to either skip those threads, read em and deal with it, or not go here at all.  Sorry.....but when you feel taken advantaged of by Sigil, you're gonna post about it over and over.  Its human nature.

2.  These forums do get moderated.  If someone says something totally out of line and attack someone else's character because they do like the game then report them.  Other than that, everyone is entitled to their opinion here; whether its a thought out written one or not.

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Man.. gotta love a thread that attracts all the resident "haters".  It's sweet you guys could come together, spew forth enough bullsh!t to fill a swimming pool, then all jump in at the same time. 

The original poster was right on, and I respect his view.  To bad it had to be dog-piled by the rest of you dillusional "I don't like this game, so noone else will.  In fact, I'll warn people to stay away, because it's the right thing to do." crowd.

yeah....all of us haters are these secret people who came out of the woodwork and shadows who never played the game or who was never was a fan of the game or never followed the game for the last four years. 

....maybe there is a reason why there is so many people here who hate the game.  There could be a correlation between that and Vanguard. Maybe?

But seriously,

I have seen just as many bad vanbois as i have haters. Your arguments would have been valued if you seen the people who didnt like the game give a 30 page synopsis of why they dont like it and why others would be waisting their money buying it only for the vanbois to blurt out the exact same immature statement you did.

The fact is this:

1.  These forums arent censored like FoH, Silky Venom, and Tentonhammer is.  If you dont want to see people posting negatively about a game you're gonna have to either skip those threads, read em and deal with it, or not go here at all.  Sorry.....but when you feel taken advantaged of by Sigil, you're gonna post about it over and over.  Its human nature.

2.  These forums do get moderated.  If someone says something totally out of line and attack someone else's character because they do like the game then report them.  Other than that, everyone is entitled to their opinion here; whether its a thought out written one or not.

I'm not concerned if you value my arguments or not.  Ive been frequenting this board since closed beta.. trust me I witnessed what you are talking about.  There were just as many constructive positive posts torn to shreads by immature remarks as well.  That street goes both ways, I'm sad to see you try to make a point on such shaky ground. 

My favorite part of your post... "there is so many people here who hate the game".  If by "so many" you mean the 15-20 that frequent this forum, the ones who my post was directed at, then you need to come to grips with reality.  You are the minority, plain and simple, it's just hard to tell becuase you inflate every thread on this board with the same old BS.

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by sepher

But, with Vanguard Players, double exp weekends, recent WoW-ification patches and so on...it's evident that SOE is exercising some say-so. It's probably just a case of Brad having complete discretion over deciding what advice from SOE is applicable and what isn't.

In a contract, a Publisher cannot change the development of a game unless the owner of that game gives them the permission to do so. 

That's Brad's fault if he decides to give more power to the devil.  However, my point still stands; a publisher of a game does not have as much power as you guys think.

Brad could say to Smedly, "Shut the F_ck up...Ill make my own decisions" and Mr Smedly would have to sit there like an ass and listen to Brad.  Brad has that power if he wishes.  Like I said, Publishers only have the rights to distburse the games and whatever rights that company deems on them in their contract.

Just because SOE is the publisher doesnt mean John Smedly can go and fire Sigil and rework the patches to SOE's bidding.  It doesnt work that way.

Its like Stephen King and his book publisher.  They can give him some tips as to what to put in his book, but if Mr King says "No" then his book publisher (Harper Collins I believe) has to sit there and take it like a man.  The same is true with movie and game publishers.

Originally posted by Dawgrum

I'm not concerned if you value my arguments or not.  Ive been frequenting this board since closed beta.. trust me I witnessed what you are talking about.  There were just as many constructive positive posts torn to shreads by immature remarks as well.  That street goes both ways, I'm sad to see you try to make a point on such shaky ground. 

My favorite part of your post... "there is so many people here who hate the game".  If by "so many" you mean the 15-20 that frequent this forum, the ones who my post was directed at, then you need to come to grips with reality.  You are the minority, plain and simple, it's just hard to tell becuase you inflate every thread on this board with the same old BS.

 

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Man.. gotta love a thread that attracts all the resident "haters".  It's sweet you guys could come together, spew forth enough bullsh!t to fill a swimming pool, then all jump in at the same time. 

The original poster was right on, and I respect his view.  To bad it had to be dog-piled by the rest of you dillusional "I don't like this game, so noone else will.  In fact, I'll warn people to stay away, because it's the right thing to do." crowd.

yeah....all of us haters are these secret people who came out of the woodwork and shadows who never played the game or who was never was a fan of the game or never followed the game for the last four years. 

....maybe there is a reason why there is so many people here who hate the game.  There could be a correlation between that and Vanguard. Maybe?

But seriously,

I have seen just as many bad vanbois as i have haters. Your arguments would have been valued if you seen the people who didnt like the game give a 30 page synopsis of why they dont like it and why others would be waisting their money buying it only for the vanbois to blurt out the exact same immature statement you did.

The fact is this:

1.  These forums arent censored like FoH, Silky Venom, and Tentonhammer is.  If you dont want to see people posting negatively about a game you're gonna have to either skip those threads, read em and deal with it, or not go here at all.  Sorry.....but when you feel taken advantaged of by Sigil, you're gonna post about it over and over.  Its human nature.

2.  These forums do get moderated.  If someone says something totally out of line and attack someone else's character because they do like the game then report them.  Other than that, everyone is entitled to their opinion here; whether its a thought out written one or not.

I'm not concerned if you value my arguments or not.  Ive been frequenting this board since closed beta.. trust me I witnessed what you are talking about.  There were just as many constructive positive posts torn to shreads by immature remarks as well.  That street goes both ways, I'm sad to see you try to make a point on such shaky ground. 

My favorite part of your post... "there is so many people here who hate the game".  If by "so many" you mean the 15-20 that frequent this forum, the ones who my post was directed at, then you need to come to grips with reality.  You are the minority, plain and simple, it's just hard to tell becuase you inflate every thread on this board with the same old BS.

 

Show us sub numbers, and we will believe that you are better than the 'haters that spew forth lies'. Until then I am afraid YOU are in the minority because the fact is, the majority don't even give a shit about VG. Either they havn't tried it or they can judge for themselves whether this was another hyped up mmo that lacked any innovation what so ever.

The minority are you, fans of this game. The rest of us are either 'haters', 'realists' or we just plain don't give a shit.

From my experience, there are two types of games (MMO's mostly) that handle lag and fps.

The first one does it, IMO, the right way. Your frames stay the same, but the character models "warp" when affected by lag. The second, which is Vanguard, handles lag poorly. Instead of letting the latency and internet part handle the lag, it handles it in terms of fps. Instead of characters "warping" around because of lag (Client loses their info, but gets it back causing a "warp") it decides to LAG EVERYTHING!

I don't understand why your fps has to do with your internet latency or server latency. Most games handle it by keeping the fps seperate from the latency issues.

I know it's the latency's fault for causing lag in cities too, I've proven it to myself. The character models, movement, and animations do NOT justify the heavy drop in fps. On the contary, the fps only drops when it is in a laggy area. In a less laggy area, with the same number of pixels, character models, animations, etc, the fps DON'T drop. Also the fact I can turn my game to MAX PERFORMANCE, walk into a city area with NO PLAYER MODELS on screen, and drop to 5 fps because it's so laggy.

Fps dropping has to be because of your computer not being able ot handle the pixels, or the server/client latency lowering your fps to be one with the lag. I've tested the polygon, pixel, character models/movement part, and my comp can perfectly handle it. It's only when encountering a player character that lag occurs.

Unless I'm somehow mistaken and ignorant, I do not see how their character model and movement is so draining on my comp, despite the fact that I can have a TON more npc character models and movement without any fps drop. It's HAS to do with the other client's latency in relation to yours and the server. Thus, unless I'm missing something, it HAS to do with the fact they decided to handle lag by freezing everyone's frames (a.k.a. lowering them to become "one" with the bad latency)

For Vanguard.......   Latency = fps
I don't see any other explanation.
It is NOT a hardware problem on our (the client/consumer's) end. It's a problem with their server/latency when it comes to not being able to handle multiple players and the fact some genius decided to handle lag by dropping fps, instead of the famous "connect/disconnect warp"

That said..................WTF? Why would you EVER drop someone's fps based on bad latency? Some games, mainly the good ones, handle latency by "warping" the characters, not lagging EVERYONE'S fps!!!!!!!! WTF?

Originally posted by xAlrythx

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Originally posted by Enigma

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Man.. gotta love a thread that attracts all the resident "haters".  It's sweet you guys could come together, spew forth enough bullsh!t to fill a swimming pool, then all jump in at the same time. 

The original poster was right on, and I respect his view.  To bad it had to be dog-piled by the rest of you dillusional "I don't like this game, so noone else will.  In fact, I'll warn people to stay away, because it's the right thing to do." crowd.

yeah....all of us haters are these secret people who came out of the woodwork and shadows who never played the game or who was never was a fan of the game or never followed the game for the last four years. 

....maybe there is a reason why there is so many people here who hate the game.  There could be a correlation between that and Vanguard. Maybe?

But seriously,

I have seen just as many bad vanbois as i have haters. Your arguments would have been valued if you seen the people who didnt like the game give a 30 page synopsis of why they dont like it and why others would be waisting their money buying it only for the vanbois to blurt out the exact same immature statement you did.

The fact is this:

1.  These forums arent censored like FoH, Silky Venom, and Tentonhammer is.  If you dont want to see people posting negatively about a game you're gonna have to either skip those threads, read em and deal with it, or not go here at all.  Sorry.....but when you feel taken advantaged of by Sigil, you're gonna post about it over and over.  Its human nature.

2.  These forums do get moderated.  If someone says something totally out of line and attack someone else's character because they do like the game then report them.  Other than that, everyone is entitled to their opinion here; whether its a thought out written one or not.

I'm not concerned if you value my arguments or not.  Ive been frequenting this board since closed beta.. trust me I witnessed what you are talking about.  There were just as many constructive positive posts torn to shreads by immature remarks as well.  That street goes both ways, I'm sad to see you try to make a point on such shaky ground. 

My favorite part of your post... "there is so many people here who hate the game".  If by "so many" you mean the 15-20 that frequent this forum, the ones who my post was directed at, then you need to come to grips with reality.  You are the minority, plain and simple, it's just hard to tell becuase you inflate every thread on this board with the same old BS.

 

Show us sub numbers, and we will believe that you are better than the 'haters that spew forth lies'. Until then I am afraid YOU are in the minority because the fact is, the majority don't even give a shit about VG. Either they havn't tried it or they can judge for themselves whether this was another hyped up mmo that lacked any innovation what so ever.

The minority are you, fans of this game. The rest of us are either 'haters', 'realists' or we just plain don't give a shit.

irrelevance

Subs has nothing to do with the trolls that frequent this board.  Nice try though.

Originally posted by Die_Scream
i'd just like to say Enigma, I truly respect you and enjoy reading your posts. Its great to have you at MMORPG bringing some class to the boards.

Dawgrum, if you are a MMORPG "hater", do as you fans always say and "go back to Silkyvenom"(WoW). You like the game, others don't, deal.

This thread is far more mild than most of the so called hater threads I've seen on these boards. I for one, am enjoying the discussion.

Originally posted by Enigma

...hanging out in Vangaurd and saying Vanguard sucks because you hate SOE doesnt make a lick of sense.  SOE had nothing to do with the development of the game.  It has nothing to do with the patches, it has nothing to do with Sigil.  Seriously, if you hate SOE so much you really should be over at Star Wars Galaxies or EverQuest 2 or Matrix Online or Everquest or Planetside.  Those game either were developed by SOE or now is being continued with SOE.

Originally posted by Dawgrum

Originally posted by Die_Scream
i'd just like to say Enigma, I truly respect you and enjoy reading your posts. Its great to have you at MMORPG bringing some class to the boards.

Dawgrum, if you are a MMORPG "hater", do as you fans always say and "go back to Silkyvenom"(WoW). You like the game, others don't, deal.

This thread is far more mild than most of the so called hater threads I've seen on these boards. I for one, am enjoying the discussion.

Friend, I'm not playing Vanguard atm, I don't have any agenda behind my posts. 

So i think what we are trying to say here is, "In closing: VG sucks." 

Now, go do something productive.

Originally posted by Phife

So i think what we are trying to say here is, "In closing: VG sucks." 

 

Now, go do something productive.

Originally posted by matraque

Originally posted by Phife

So i think what we are trying to say here is, "In closing: VG sucks." 

 

Now, go do something productive.

It does sucks, to some.  I personally like it.

I'm I allowed?