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4/12/07 2:27:03 PM#21
HAHA Well, this just proves my point on how sharp CnC is ..haha... ok, ok, you got me there....even Im guilty of not thinking things through 100% when i post...at least you cant punish me CnC here!! nyah nyah!! What i should have said, is ive seen me get in trouble for bad editing (didnt use the edit feature) and instead posted something else right after my opinion...(not necessarily just a change of an opinion"). One thing that does irritate me though about the mods at sto-net.....is every time i try to compliment them i end up getting myself in trouble !! oh well..im crawling back into my hole and not coming out till I have something 1000% on topic!!!!
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4/12/07 2:31:13 PM#22
Originally posted by Keogh |
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4/12/07 2:53:13 PM#23
I am not an ST fan, i know very little of it as a matter of fact but i do love sci-fi games and was looking forward to play it. I dont personally mind if a game is geared towards certain fans or since my knowledge is very small on the subject that i may find it to be good regardless. I mean i never read any of the AoC novels nor seen any movies yet thats THE game im waiting to play. Suffice to say if the OP is right about this, i will not bother with STO. Community is important in any aspect and games that try to hog a mass market by betraying their fanbase are destined to fall (SWG anyone?). ST's IP is huge and i would imagine they could have gotten the numbers they wanted had they simply stayed on track with the lore behind ST.
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CnCUFPForces
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Joined: 2/22/06
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4/12/07 2:55:53 PM#24
Originally posted by mccoyy Oh, double-posting? That's no big deal at all, we just merge the posts.  And you're certainly not in trouble. We've always enjoyed your posts on STOnet. I just didn't want anybody to think I'd put you up to your posts. It's a tough crowd here.  Suffice to say if the OP is right about this, i will not bother with STO. Neither would I.  Thankfully, most of that information is incorrect. |
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4/12/07 2:58:25 PM#25
This game has always been iffy - from day one. Why would anyone make such a huge emotional investment in a game thats always teetered on the edge of viability. It's just plain foolish. |
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4/12/07 3:03:34 PM#26
Originally posted by MosfetFanboy ? or fan boy want to be with a bag of sarcasim :) I do not think the ops point was to say it should be like wow , i think it was to say this game will be massively shallow in the player's ability to customize and create community with-in it? Tho i could be wrong , Op care to chime in ? "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine |
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Zstroyer
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Joined: 10/07/06
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4/12/07 4:24:02 PM#27
I work in the video game design industry and what it comes down to is this (now this isn't the case for all games but a vast majority as you'll be able to decipher yourself)...
1. The Hype Lure - Companies will fill your minds with hopes and dreams. In the case of large fan-based adaptations like Star Wars and Star Trek, it isn't that hard at all. 2. Easy vs Revolutionary - We've all had our wonderful ideas that would take a game to the next level (so if we can think it up, why couldn't the developers?). Straight up, developers have timelines dictated to them by the suits in charge. Redundancies in video games are because it's cheap and easy (WoW armor and avatars anyone?) Find a suit that's a true Star Wars/Star Trek (what have you) fan... and you'll find yourself a very engaging game. 3 The almighty $dolla$ - A simple equation for this can be: Huge Fan Base + The Hype Lure + Easy to Make = $$$. Games like Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings... they have enormously large fan bases. Creating a 'playable' adaptation will net large amounts right off the bat. If the game is below par, you'll still have the die-hard fans who will continue to play the game because of what it's based on (granted, you may lose a lot of people, but hopefully that initial release will earn you enough profit to forget about that total failure of a game). |
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Realm-Reaper
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Joined: 1/19/07
Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell? |
CARE TO HEAR MORE?.....
This is not new news and (it is not a rumor) I really did not want to get into this here, However, since some of you are still unconvinced about just how bad off this game really is.... I don't know why I even care at this point. BUT....you the public (the customers) have a right to know what the hell is going on at PE.... Perpetual Entertainmant is in trouble. You see, from a Financial standpoint PE lacks the resources to do STARTREK ONLINE the right way. It's clear that after the Pre-Christmass lay-offs, that PE has entirely too much on their plate. The fact is, we will be lucky to even see anything from PE after GODs and HEROs is released. Really the best thing PE can do is cut their loses now and sell the rights to STO to a company that has the ability to do this franchise justice. As we all know, this will not happen. Hell, PE will not even take responsibility for the problems they are having from within their own organization. I know this because it was clear in the way they "spun" the firing (downsizing) news. This is yet another reason not to waste anymore time with is game. PE has pissed away the only hope of ever seeing a real STARTREK MMORPG. Walk away folks...the rest of this story isn't going to have a happy ending. PE....swallow your pride and admit your failure. It is time to sell this Franchise to a Company that can do this Game the right way. Stop embarrassing yourself and do what is right. Face it PE! you gave it a try...but it's over! Do us all a favor and sell off before it's too late. |
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4/12/07 6:10:56 PM#29
Of late the more i read on this game the more turned off i'm becoming. I had really hoped for more like SGW when it came to ships in general. Multiplayer ships(for those who dont know , one or two pilot as others man guns and put out fires) as well as fully customizable solo ships. Also I envision factional pvp would be alot of fun, even if the klingons are in the federation we could always mess with the Romulans.
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4/12/07 6:20:10 PM#30
Hands down, the best show I have ever enjoyed watching on TV was ST: Voyager and ST:TNG. Also enjoyed DS9 but I did not see that many episodes to say I "watched" the show. On the other hand I've see EVERY episode of voyager TWICE and most of TNG twice because I couldnt get enough of Star Trek when the Star Trek fever hit me. I even got my RLF into the ST fandom.
Reading the OP really makes me sad :( 100% OB test this game before even consider buying it now. :/ ugh WTB Shadowbane 2 |
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CnCUFPForces
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4/12/07 6:29:01 PM#31
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper I'm curious about your source in regards to Perpetual's supposed financial woes? I think, again, there are some inaccuracies in your information. In large part, Perpetual laid off staff from Gods and Heroes, not Star Trek Online. Only four members of STO's development staff department, and they've all been replaced - by John Yoo and Christine Brownell as Lead Systems Designer and Senior World Designer, respectively. Most of the people who left were released because their particular skills were no longer required for Gods and Heroes. The same, I gather, was true for the four who left STO. Of course, there were no "pre-Christmas firings" among STO staff (some Gods and Heroes staffed may have been let go around the holidays, I don't specifically remember). The people who left Perpetual left in the spring and summer of 2006; that news was not public until just before Christmas, when an MMO news publication published it. Since Perpetual never announced the staff changes, it would've been hard for them to spin it. And of course, since Perpetual just posted nearly a dozen new job positions for STO and GnH (check out their website), I very much doubt they're in financial trouble. Maybe that's just my conflict of interest showing, though. Actually, I came over to let you know that the aforementioned John Yoo made a request for information from the community on the subject of starship power rankings. If you're interested in offering your thoughts, we look forward to seeing your contribution. www.startrek-online.net/messageboard/showthread.php |
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Realm-Reaper
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Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell? |
Originally posted by CnCUFPForces
So... They replaced 35 Men and Women with....3 people? How does that math work out? Although, I know it's pointless to argue with you. That much is clear in the way you continue to shove your opinion down everyones throat who does not agree with you on the STO FORUMS....Well my little STO- UBER-MOD, You have no power here. You are going to have to deal with the fact that you have no admin control...LOL! BTW...don't you have someone to beatdown on the STO forums? Why don't you go lock some posts or something. Hey go delete some threads...that always makes you feel good. Take Off Sport! You can not CHANGE MY OPINION OF YOU AND THIS GAME anymore than I can change yours. NOT THAT IT MATTERS...BUT HERE IS THE LINK. (I await your "spin" with great anticipation) |
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CnCUFPForces
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4/12/07 7:04:33 PM#33
Well, you're more likely to change my opinion on a given subject without the ALL-CAPS key stuck in the "on" position, but that's neither here nor there.
 Personally I enjoy baseball, traveling and Moorcheeba way, way more than "beating down" on forum posters I don't even know. That said, you misread my post. No, 3 people did not replace thirty five - three people replaced the four who left Star Trek Online's development team. The remaining people who were let go were from the Gods and Heroes team, though I wouldn't totally be surprised if many of them have been replaced by people whose skills are more directly tied to the polishing and tweaking currently being done on that game. I'm sure their staff is smaller now, though, then at the height of development. But what do I know, I don't work for Perpetual. Indeed, this is as you say, "not new news". You may feel there's something untoward going on here, but I think at this point that's idle speculation. |
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airborne519
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Joined: 8/16/06
Few men are born brave. Many become so through training and force of discipline. |
4/12/07 7:10:45 PM#34
IF THIS IS TRUE.... I will abondon this game. I was hoping for a great Trek game, but it sounds like they just want to make an eve clone.. no thanks!
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4/12/07 7:13:54 PM#35
This is really disappointing. I'm a big Trek and MMO fan so obviously I was looking forward to this. The screens of the ship interior were awesome and I was hoping it was an example of what would be in the game. *sad* ;__; It dosen't hurt to keep an eye on it but if it isn't going to have important things like ship interiors I don't really care if it becomes vaporware. (which it sounds like it's leaning toward...) Honestly, I can't think of any non-Trek fans that would even want to try a ST mmo so why screw the fans over? |
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CnCUFPForces
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4/12/07 7:24:08 PM#36
Originally posted by Yaisha Starship interiors will be in the game. Those screens you saw were screens of the Galaxy Class, which will be used as moving hub cities in the game, and therefore will be exquisitely detailed (Sovereign Class starships will also be used in this fashion). So that kind of material will be in the game. To recap, what we know is that player starships will conduct combat and flight from the ship's exteriors. To what extent player ship interiors will be mapped out for, say, role playing or housing purposes has yet to be determined. So player starship interiors are not "cut", so to speak; they may or may not be present at launch yet, we don't know. But there will be starship interiors, so the EvE example is somewhat off-base. On the subject of the potential audience and fanbase, Daron Stinnett started a pretty interesting thread discussing his thoughts on the game's audience. The link is here - www.startrek-online.net/messageboard/showthread.php - but to summarize, the belief on Perpetual's part is that there are many, many people out there particularly in the MMO community who are "latent fans", who haven't followed the franchise in some time, but are still receptive to becoming involved in Trek. |
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Cpt.Stubbing
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EQ2, SWG, CoH, CoV, 9 Dragons, LoTRO, MXO, Planetside, GW, and many more... |
4/12/07 8:03:22 PM#37
It seems to me Star Trek did fine for 40 yrs why put too much care into what NON star trek fans want? Its not like a whole lotta them are gonna be playing it. And if it turns out to be a good game, those who do will enjoy and might even give ST a chance. I really hate that (Last I heard) it was suppose to be released to coincide with the new movie in 2008. I cringe at the thought of that TERRIBLE idea for a movie (This is not Star Wars, I dont wanna find out Kirk was a whiny little bitch like Vader apparently was) Also didnt they say the holodecks would be the place for PVP? And if they are gonna get rid of the guild run starships idea, its gonna be really sad.
 Still it is soooo early to be saying whats what tho. Im still gonna play until it gets the CU then ill quick for a while play for another 3 months then stop all together after the STO-NGE LOL  Also I for one dont mind alot of instances places, at least that way you dont have to camp the same stupid monster for 6 stinkin hours, OR fight your way to where the monster is only to find someone beat you there OR go to kill a mob that drops something you need and find someones BOT killing is there and has been killing it for the last 3 days |
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CnCUFPForces
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4/12/07 8:19:22 PM#38
Originally posted by Cpt.Stubbing Without getting too deep into it - this is a contentious topic on its own, no doubt - the Star Trek audience is a lot smaller then it was even when Star Trek Enterprise aired its first episode (over 9 million people stopped watching Enterprise between "Broken Bow" and "These Are The Voyages"; its Nielsen share went from a 7.0 to a 2.2). That's not to say that STO shouldn't incorporate the things that make Trek unique, or that it should be unrecognizable to Trek fans, but I think any successful MMO under the IP has to be able to draw in support beyond just those people who still actively and passionately care about Trek. On the subject of Holodecks and PvP, you may be able to PvP in the holodecks as well; the system that Daron described, though, was described as "war games" - combat between Federation starships in designated areas or under designated conditions that's not actual combat in the sense of going out and destroying an invading Borg cube, but is done for...well, for all the reasons that one PvPs. PvP will obviously expand once Perpetual introduces a second playable faction. On the subject of guild-run starships, I'm not quite sure what you mean - guilds will be able to crew ships (and multiple ships) together, that's an absolutely certainty. If you're talking about guild-ownable hubs, it's a possibility, but we haven't heard anything on that. I'd expect guilds to be a strong influence in the game, personally. |
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Realm-Reaper
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Need a game that will allow me to Rob and Kill other players...can I Rape the corpse aswell? |
Originally posted by CnCUFPForces
The thing of it is Bud, this thread would not even be here if PE had any chance at all on delivering a decent Star Trek game. So far, all I have seen is a bunch of talk (lies) from a company who has never even completed a single MMORPG game. Some may say GODs and HEROs...but think!...where the hell is this game that was supposed to be released over 2 months ago? We have watched in horror as this company has missed deadline after deadline. We have watched GODs and HEROs go from one of the most anticipated MMORPGs to one of the most dreaded, almost overnight. NO MORE!...No more lies. Take a look at the "Hype Meter". One only need look there to see where PE projects rate with the gaming community. No one trusts PE anymore. No one believes anything they say. To me they are no better than SOE when it comes to doing what they say they will. Where are the videos?....What about a functioning combat system? it's been years and they don't even have a working game yet. Care to explain why that is? I ask because you seem to have an explanation for everything. So, other than concept art and a VERY FEW screen shots...Does PE even have a working model for STO? You have little credibility here my STO-UBER-MOD. You see, because of the fact you work as a moderator on STO.NET, It's hard to trust anything you say. We all know you will defend STO and PE because you want to keep your job as a mod. I will never trust anything you say based on that fact alone...I mean really, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO SAY? The truth is, you will never call PE out on the carpet, because you want to keep your job as MOD....they don't put critics in that position...only fanboys. Please return to beating down noobs on the STO.NET FORUMS...K THANKS! |
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4/13/07 3:09:59 AM#40
Originally posted by Realm-Reaper
I think people want a star trek game and P.E is going to give them one and you sir will be a subscriber. lol you have issues, thats Im going to say. |
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