Originally posted by goneglockin

You guys are totally clueless.  An initial successful MMOFPS that pioneers the genre will have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORCS AND DORKS FOLKS THAT POPULATE THE MMORPG REALM.

You know who's gonna make an MMOFPS successful?  The 10 million + FPS gamers out there looking for the latest and greatest.  Catching even a fraction of them means overnight success.  Crafting?  No.  Stick to RPGs; and wait your turn; and quit holding back progress on the MMOFPS by sticking your nose where it does not belong.

 

I'm sorry...why the hell are you even a registered member of MMORPG.com? Are you slumming? All the FPS forums getting too boring for you that you have to register here and kick virtual sand in the faces of fans of MMORPG's?

You are calling all fans of MMORPG's clueless dorks, screaming your superiority in caps and beating your chest. And you wonder why you can't seem to make friends with anyone other than your rifle...

Lighten up Francis.

I originally migrated this way across the internets many moons ago- during a trying time in which lame ass EverQuest clones began to dominate the genre; and eventually destroy it as we see today.

I'm from ultima online. 

But as I said that was many moons ago.  Now MMOFPS looms on the horizon; and again- I see you fools meddling in the business of a proven formula.  You've already ruined one genre (MMORPG) with your infectious garbage- so please; leave the future of my MMOFPS games alone.

Planetside has done enough damage already.

I want the cross over between the genres because it offers something i love of both sides.

I want to have fps combat while having a persistant character in a persistant world (Huxley comes to mind).

I want to have massive battles between players with all the works of a war (APCs, Tanks, Helos, Jets etc etc.)

I want to be able to enter the city and socialize with my clannies and other people i may not know (after all thats how you meet friends....or enemies lol)

Crafting? If done correctly i wouldnt mind....hell take it further into vehicle engineering.

I want to be able to customize my character not have the Government Issue Soldier No. 546546432 (BOBBY)

Those are but a few of the things that i want in this cross over and im sure many do to. FPS games are fun but i am not the kind of person to play 10 hrs of BF2 cuz ill be bred to death, i need more interation with people other than "assemble in -------, take your position in ------- ; and so on. I want to see that the results of a war affects the world as a whole, i think that could bring something fresh and amazing to all players in either side. For the hardcore FPS players who bash this crossover.....well you still got the good ol FPS games to stick to those and let us be.

Originally posted by Rehmes

I want the cross over between the genres because it offers something i love of both sides.

I want to have fps combat while having a persistant character in a persistant world (Huxley comes to mind).

I want to have massive battles between players with all the works of a war (APCs, Tanks, Helos, Jets etc etc.)

I want to be able to enter the city and socialize with my clannies and other people i may not know (after all thats how you meet friends....or enemies lol)

Crafting? If done correctly i wouldnt mind....hell take it further into vehicle engineering.

I want to be able to customize my character not have the Government Issue Soldier No. 546546432 (BOBBY)

Those are but a few of the things that i want in this cross over and im sure many do to. FPS games are fun but i am not the kind of person to play 10 hrs of BF2 cuz ill be bred to death, i need more interation with people other than "assemble in -------, take your position in ------- ; and so on. I want to see that the results of a war affects the world as a whole, i think that could bring something fresh and amazing to all players in either side. For the hardcore FPS players who bash this crossover.....well you still got the good ol FPS games to stick to those and let us be.

I agree with you.

The merger would allow for more immersion. I liked what Planetside attempted to do, it just didn't go far enough. I like the looks of Fallen Earth, what they are doing looks interesting.

Your right, the hardcore FPS will always be there. So it is obvious that Goneglockin is full of hate towards the MMORPG genre, maybe he had a bad experience roleplaying a beautiful elven maiden that went horribly wrong. That's ok, maybe the community will embrace him and allow him to let go of his anger. We are here for you bro.

I think the idea here would be to wait for the release of Huxley, see how it answers the questions posed in this thread, and then go from there.

Also Hellgate London, although not an mmo, might be a step in the right direction...

EVERYONE should want a mmofps game.... why because it will get us out of your rpg's

First let me say I love fps but they get boring becuase they are static nothing really changes cept mods.

I play mmos mostly and ive mostly played fps mmos. Lets look at some of the games ive played.

First mmo was 10six a mmo fps/rts and one of the best games ever(at the start) because it had no rpg elements no levels, no crafting, no magic crap. What you did have was camps that you owned, built, and defended. You also had rovers that you could control to fight for you. Granted the world wasnt seemless but it the potential for a million people on 1 server and 32 per camp.

I played endlessages which was a real time mmofps/rpg. Now this was a mild rpg with fps combat and also had one of the best combat systems ive played in an rpg. There were levels and crafting but it was easy to get to a high enough lvl to fight quickly. It was a cheap game and no fluff  but very sound design.

I played planetside which was an all out fps with no point. Planetside went the wrong direction with it if you could have owned the bases yourself or via guild it would have been so much better (and a money system and no free weapons).

i also played neocron but i wouldnt really call that a fps. I have played alot of rpgs like wow,l2,lotr, and even motor city online and autoassault. Every game is unique and I like to play as many as i can , but I prefer fps than click numbers. (gunz is not an mmo its a reg multiplayer fps with a database but it was kinda fun also)

So there is alot of ways to make a mmo and every person likes what they like theres enough stupid ass uo/eq/wow/lotr/vanguard games to kill a horse let there be new games!.

P.S. There is no point to levels in any game all it is used for is to kill time. Its like saying a 87 year old man can kick my ass cause hes been on earth longer..lol

You downies still on the MMORPG bandwagon will get your hybrid MMOFPS/RPG... but only AFTER the launch of a successful MMOFPS.  You are a niche market; and niche markets are served AFTER a genre has established itself as a household name; not BEFORE.

Why do you think MMOFPS has failed to launch?  Because tards can't separate the MMO from RPG when they see MMO in FPS; and are creating MMOFPS products that are completely ignorant of their largest initial market's needs and desires.  They are also stupid enough to rely on the out-dated 10-15$ a month subscription scheme- again; bitch slapping their biggest potential customers in the face.

In-game advertising is on full blast now; and most FPS gamers generally don't give a shit about the immersiveness of their world; so long as the gameplay is there.  An MMOFPS can be wildly profitable with a combination of in-game advertising and a 5 dollar monthly subscription; or perhaps even none at all.

MMORPG players, MMORPG companies, MMORPG thinking- have held back MMOFPS from a successful launch; I have absolutely no god damn doubts about it.  None.  It's the truth.  If you can't see it, you're one of them.

Originally posted by MarL

I played planetside which was an all out fps with no point. Planetside went the wrong direction with it if you could have owned the bases yourself or via guild it would have been so much better (and a money system and no free weapons).

I'll just point to what this guy said and rest my case about why MMORPG anything or anyone should have zero f'ing input on how to make a mainstream MMOFPS that will spawn the success other well established genre's enjoy.

So goneglokin what is wrong with planetside then....cause it is a mmofps and failed.  Its not the monthly fee becuase it has been "free" forever via trials and reserve. And still nobody plays it. ( i do agree that the 15 a month will be gone soon but its not an issue atm if the game is good)

In my opinion people need a reason to fight via money land or pride which planetside has none of the above. You cant win without being able to lose. You cant lose if there are no consequences. (like wow you kill the guy he comes back till he kills you, if he lost something he wouldnt be so quick to come back)

Originally posted by goneglockin

You guys are totally clueless.  An initial successful MMOFPS that pioneers the genre will have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORCS AND DORKS FOLKS THAT POPULATE THE MMORPG REALM.

You know who's gonna make an MMOFPS successful?  The 10 million + FPS gamers out there looking for the latest and greatest.  Catching even a fraction of them means overnight success.  Crafting?  No.  Stick to RPGs; and wait your turn; and quit holding back progress on the MMOFPS by sticking your nose where it does not belong.

 

I completely agree. Unfortunately I dont think huxley will be the one to change things because from what ive seen the fps combat seems to be nothing but spray and pray with rediculous quake-like weapons. All it comes down to to be better than your opponent in pvp is having played and grinded longer, and being a higher 'level' with more attacks to click on and watch...thats it! I personally cannot stand 99% of mmorpgs because theyre all the same magical fantasy rubbish which you could play with your eyes closed. But every time theres a major mmo title with great fps potential, the 'orcs and dorks' crowd come along and ruin it. MXO, STO and now stargate worlds which could have been the best ever mmofps are now filled with the wow type commuity which love their crafting and loot collecting...oh yeah and grinding! But one day there will be an mmofps which will blow these mmorpgs away, only question is when.

there is a kind of cross, counterstrike has a mod which allows you to earn abilities and that, though it isn't persistant(only lasting the game) and isn't MM.
Then there is GunzOnline, which does have the persistant, you level up and you use the exp points on new weapons and that. Though, GunzOnline isn't MM either with it all set up in different lobbies.
Warrock is the same as Gunzonline.

By the way on the left is WW2 Online which maybe worth looking at those people interested in that combo.

Originally posted by b0rderline99

Personally i want an MMOFPS (not planetside though because of that cone firing system) with no RPG elements.

I think one of those would sell REALLY well if it was well made.  Who wouldnt want an counter-strike, unreal tournament, or Battlefield, with hundreds/thousands of players and a persistant world.??

Originally posted by dubu
IMO mechwarrior has to be the best setting for a mmofps
nothing has been done with the title for quite some time.

Use a galaxic map pretty much like the one in eve, you have the inner core where you would start as a newbie and the out edges would be partly control by the old clans. but basically player controlled.

Id like to potch the eve idealism in terms of mech loss and economy which was completely player driven.

And take the best from planetside, battlefield 2142 and ww2:online for tactical overlays and capture of  citys/planets.

Carebears can make mechs and bases and run salvage and repair ops.
Clan vs Clan pvp for land.
NPCers  can run missions on planets for clans etc.
and could even have the arena competitions from MW4:M

The HUGE ammount of room for character and mech/s customization.

In order for anything MMO to maintain state and progress beyond that, it is necessary for permanent advances in all facets of play.  Skill, advanced by player practice.  Territory, built up and established by players.  Weapons, Arms and Vehicles, all built by players.  A clear model of this can be seen in our human history, resources, training, logistics, all can be simulated in a game.

As a player of CS, Day of Defeat and SOCOM, I understand the thrill of this style of game, but at the same time, after a 3 hour stretch of what can only be remembered as, 'practice.'  I am left feeling like I almost just wasted my time.  In the single player aspects of FEAR etc, I atleast feel like I am approaching a goal will have some sort of ending.

In many MMOs, there is something to be experienced that no smaller framed game can produce.  Instead of a small clan of 20-40 people, like many FPS games, you have 100s of people, that when arranged toward a common goal have so much more to unite them and fight for. 

Shadowbane was a great example of this.  Player built castles and shops with trainers etc.  The stronger guilds had usually better gear among other advantages to being powerful.  As a result they may become too hungry and as I experienced, began to conquer and destroy the work of many clans until they amassed land, and many subservant clans that joined them in fear of destruction.  There was a clan I joined that would not bow down to this, so thru use of strategic positioning, we forced the by far larger army to fight us at a bottleneck that made our defense possible.  Eventually, other clans joined our fight seeing it as a possible means and helped us destroy the clan that held 80% of the land.

I don't see how it would be impossible for the same battle to happen with replaced the weapons and setting.

In order for the current FPS player group to not frown highly upon this game, a certain realism would be required.  First and foremost, levels are out of the question.  A human life is equal to another it its chance of mortality, nothing will change this.

Skill progression for battle would be similar to Planet Side.  You have a lesser amount of certifications you can choose at the start of you're character, and as you get more kills or other means of battlefield gain, you advance down the path you started.  For example, you think you would like to be a sniper one day, so you start off with a rifle, eventually you're allowed to learn camo (real camo, not stealth-like crap), then sniper etc.  Or you want to drive a tank one day, you begin with troop transports, after so many troops have been moved, you may move up to half tracks etc.

The battlefield must be entirely player built, and realm/clan controlled.  The main resource would be money, gained by capturing enemy buildings and territory.  Built by players who have chosen that as their field and progress in it by doing so.

There is a lot that would go into a game like this, and all facets must be entirely complete and well thought before it could succeed.  The idea of making a car before we make a Lexus is not valid.  The first two cars that were made are Planetside and any FPS, neither of them lasted because they were base cars. 

The need for the Lexus model MMOFPS is required for it to have any chance among the current group of gamers.  This game may appeal to the pure FPS market, but it should be designed for the MMORPG group, they seek a game much more than your basic FPS and will gladly pay 15 a month if the complete package is brought.  This is finally becoming true as 90% of MMO players have grown disgusted by the current MMO market, and beyond their first or second experience in the genre, are no longer fooled by level grinds and autoattack combat.  They seek something much more.

And saying that MMOrpger's have no place in this discussion is just foolish.  No gamer of any genre has an effect on what product is released in any genre.  If you are satisfied by simple FPSs in which you do nothing but round after round for a year, then this game is not for you.  This game would require people who allow themselves to be drawn into a game so deeply that life outside is almost non existent, and while away from the game, are thinking about the war they should be fighting.  FPS is not like this. 

Now I'm off to play Day of Defeat for a few hours until my dream game comes out.  /spam off

This thread is a sea of ignorance; and every time I make a thread; explaining in plain english; how to make the first wildly successful MMOFPS; it gets buried because it's too long to read.

I can literally write a book an inch thick on this subject.

I'll just say this and then be done with it.  MMO means Massive Multiplayer Online.  It does not mean levels.  It does not mean elves and trolls.  It does not mean RPG.  Get that shit out of your head.