General Discussion

Originally posted by gstla
I'm looking for a game with a good value ignoring graphics etc perhaps with a GOOD community.   I don't care so much about the grind, but if its heavy it's not great in my opinion, I don't believe sinking huge amounts of time into a game for some aesthetic armor or sword that will just be nerf darted  by something better than it.  I'd like some type of other game.  I do spend huge amounts of time on games if i like them, but grinds really make me mad.

I'm a teamspeak/ventrilo user as well, i don't have a guild in guild wars anymore since it wasn't beneficial nor fun to me even though i was with friends from other games.  Grouping in GW can also be extremely frustrating, i group'd twice for one mission got nearly to the end and died both times.

I've been thinking about Eve, Space Cowboys, UCO (completely japanese, maybe worth a try)..Auto-Assault maybe.  I've played an old RealTimeStrategy Shattered Galaxy for a long time, but i want something of more value after getting something done it does not feel that great. (SG(as above)) has a unique RTS experiance imo, one that dosen't reseble keeping your base alive or so, management such as that makes me kinda of meticulously exasperated and annoyed

Defining value i want to feel as if i've accomplished something.   When i tried Eve for example (14 day trial) just getting through the tutorial pissed me off badly.   I don't have the time to sit through a 3 hour tutorial, not to mention that my retention isn't great even with a notepad open.

  If anything I detest the traditional RPG elements that come to make up MMORPG's.  Don't get me wrong i still own all three guild war's but i don't play them very much.  By traditional elements i mean the class system that seems to reoccur like fastfood throughout the whole MMO industry which in turn makes most games not worth playing for me.   Any suggestions?

Originally posted by Sh337
You should try EvE.
Minimal grind, skill based and great PvP.

Originally posted by gstla
Yeah, another thing that pisses me off are people who aren't willing to read through a thread to advise someone.  If  I want an eve fan-boy i'd ask for one. (not saying that i'll never end up @ eve, but at things are going now..It's not very likely). I hated the tutorial, it required too much of a learning curve.  I looked at FAQ's on fan-sites as well.

I'm waiting for Tabula Rasa myself., but maybe i'll look at that Grand game.