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Forcan
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Joined: 1/08/07
Nov. 15th 2005 |
I think to some degree this topic has been covered before in the discussion, but I want to know the reason behind everyone's choice, so here it is again (I'm a GSP student in DeVry, and this is basically what I'll use to get some idea to help me shape my own game idea.) Which would you prefer in your MMO, and why? Skill-based: No preset class and stats, and no character level. You just learn the skill, and improve it by keep using it and/or xp collection to get to the next skill level. You can choose your own role in group combat and solo combat. Level-based: With preset class and stats, and character level. You will know your role better, but you can't really change your role at all. I want to know the reason for the choices you guys have, so keep them coming.
Current MMO: Eden Eternal, Divina (TW Ver.), World of Tanks. Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P) |
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3/14/07 3:27:51 PM#2
Class-based by far, skill based actually rather closes your identety, takes away strong combat roles, and doesnt really allow as much Focus IMO.
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Samuraisword
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Joined: 2/15/06
Gamers who use RMT are like athletes who use steroids |
3/14/07 3:30:25 PM#3
Skill based with opportunity cost. There have to be many more skills available than skill points to invest, so everyone is unique.
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ownedyou1
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Joined: 4/22/05
"You are an Equation of an Imbalanced Improper Abnormality" |
3/14/07 3:32:46 PM#4
Skill Based , I don't want to be a clone!
I want to be my individual character! I want to be a ... creature handler.. RIP SWG. |
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3/14/07 3:39:30 PM#5
thought this might help to keep track :) my vote is skill-based. I'd like to think that my character is dramatically different than the thousands of other characters out there. Games like WoW with almost no customizing options just dont appeal to me.
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3/14/07 3:39:31 PM#6
Skill based! So we can be freaks, power to the players!
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3/14/07 3:40:36 PM#7
Level based, Imo. Everybody knows his role, and right from the start of the game its clear what your character is going to do in a group. Its also much more easy to balance.
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3/14/07 3:43:47 PM#8
Skill based for sure. Star Wars Galaxies - Pre-NGE: Want to be the best guy with a rifle? Just train rifles! Want to be good with a rifle and good at healing? Be a medic and a rifleman! Want to move quickly in difficult terrain? Be a ranger, or a scout! Or the EVE analogy, want to be the best battleship pilot? Train battleship related items. Want to be good at flying many ships train skills for that. Class based is not my best idea of a fun time, it allows some versatility, but not the kind I like as you still typically have limited focus, and are not allowed to focus elsewhere. WoW example: talent trees are typically very limited and limiting in the class frame. Warriors do not delve into magic, the question is, why couldn't someone be a warrior and a mage? Or a stealthy warrior/rogue? Or maybe a Priest/Mage? This although less limiting is still limiting if you allow "dual classes" |
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3/14/07 3:46:23 PM#9
Skill based for sure for ever and by far. I don't want to be you, or the guy standing next to me, or have people tell me I should play a certain way because of my class(granted that last but does make sense to an extent). But anyway, being unique is a BIG deal for me. I want to create my character, not be a reassembled clone-bot.
I guess that's why I play SL, but with all the similar looking people there it's obvious originality isn't for everyone. Which of course is ok, not trying to bash anyone. Edit to add: NOT like SWG. Think skill based like Elder Scrolls without the level. IE; I picked a lock, lock picking goes up. Makes sense. They came from the sea and they came from the sky, Captain America is going to die! |
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ThalosVipav
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Joined: 8/28/06
"It''s not how big your Fwoosh is, It''s how you use it." |
3/14/07 3:47:03 PM#10
skill based. I like being able to choose what I wanna do. Ala Pre-CU SWG Thalos Vipav |
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3/14/07 3:51:32 PM#11
I think it depends on the game, for a game like EVE, it means you need to know each character's strengths. This means you need social interaction, which is good, other pilots might say so-and-so sucks with a BS, but rocks with an assault ship, so you might ask him to use an assault ship. This means tighter groups or "guilds" or "Corps"(in eve-speak), need to be formed, because unlike in a game like WoW, PuG do not happen as much. Star Wars Galaxies did something similar to this, limiting the skill points you could spend, but not limiting the combinations. This means people should know their role and should know that certain combinations make better sense than others. If you like to fight, being a weaponsmith and armorsmith is a bad idea. But if you like to fight and craft on the side, Weaponsmith+Rifleman makes more sense. But SWG is another story. |
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3/14/07 3:53:11 PM#12
Skill-based is nice in theory, but requires a lot of skill grinding in most models and just isn't that much fun. EVE takes away that element, but since EVE has no opportunity cost that is meaningful it suffers from the problem that players can have massively, massively different levels of skills in the game and that can remain that way ... forever. Class-based is easier to balance, in my experience, and provides a more focused kind of game, which is also very enjoyable.
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3/14/07 3:54:39 PM#13
I like the way Vanguard does it. You gain skills through use. IE Archery, but you also get points to allocate upon leveling.
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3/14/07 4:14:55 PM#14
Skill based!
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3/14/07 4:18:16 PM#15
It's not just a matter of either or... You can have both...a hybrid of the two, skills and levels! It's scary how brainwashed you people are!! |
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3/14/07 4:40:48 PM#16
Originally posted by poopypantsGive people some credit.  |
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3/14/07 4:50:55 PM#17
Skill based The problem with skill based games, which I think only one other poster mentioned, it's very hard to balance all possible combination of skills. Usually this means there are about 5 cookie-cutters running around...which are then your indirect 'classes'. Also, skillups are really just a bunch of little level ups. You gain one more notch than you had before. In the worst case scenario, you have one really uber skill combination which then everyone and their brother adheres to, so as to remain competative. This totally negates the whole 'I'm unique!' reason behind a skill system. The really funny thing is most people will agree UO is the best skill system we've seen so far, yet UO is where the tank-mage template pretty much was the thing to be for a very long time. People don't remember that though. Also, skill based games have a VERY hard time balancing mob vs player power. I've yet to see a skill based game with good PvE. UO - PvE sucked It's hard enough to balance mob vs player power even in a structured level type game. There you might only have 8 classes. Now imagine a game with over 50 combat skills and a player can max say 10 of those. That's over 500 combinations to test and tweak. I predict an ample amount of nerf bat in the future of a game like that. While most players love the flexibility of a skill-based system, most of them also fail to realize how impossible it is to balance. ----------------------------------------- |
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3/14/07 4:56:41 PM#18
A hybrid is best imho. Levels for stats and access to traits. Gain skill by practicing it.
----ITS A TRAP!!!---- |
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3/14/07 5:17:42 PM#19
Originally posted by OhaanCredit for what? Being smart enough to understand their options? OK, I will...just as soon as I see some evidence of it! lol |
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daarco
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Joined: 12/19/06
I have Darkfall now! |
3/14/07 5:28:04 PM#20
I did a own search a month ago, it turned out that skill based is more common in Europe and level based in USA.
Me beeing from sweden didnt heard of levels before i was almost 25 years old.
So levels is the weirdest thing possibly. I dont understand how they could work in a game?? I did try to play WoW, but couldent understand why i couldent do my own character. People tent to say it help you know your part?? Why would i wanna know my or anybody elses part?? This sound a little bit as a carebear to me.
So skill is the only way i can play MMO. |
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