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cosy Newshound Joined: 9/15/04 Posts: 3236 EvE Rules #491 you should never, ever attack Russians on winter months	2/16/07 2:00:57 PM#1 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) D2 lost hes titan because a explit that is from revelation when u kill a NPC the wreck stay on space like 2 h then if u log off is easy to see if u log off use buddy list come and shoot that wreck then u get 15 min agro time and 15 min are sufficient to get scanned and killed the agro time work even if u are at 15 jumps away http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070216180605px9.jpg http://www.killboard.net/details/130721/ update--------------------------- D2 say that was a spy using friendly fire ---------------------------- IMO friendly fire dont have to give agro time lol BoB pos cheat PD:EvEisNot4WoWkids BestSigEver :P
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JackDonkey Apprentice Member Joined: 4/21/04 Posts: 384	2/16/07 3:28:49 PM#2 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) not sure how long it takes for ships to disappear after they log off warp without aggression, but it only takes 30 seconds to probe them, and however long to warp to them. Of course my brother posted this as being a bit on the suckage side on the forums and didn't get a single response. I'm sure teh devs will nerf it once it's used against them, but until then... Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
Morat20 Apprentice Member Joined: 1/02/06 Posts: 89	2/16/07 3:36:21 PM#3 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by cosy D2 lost hes titan because a explit that is from revelation when u kill a NPC the wreck stay on space like 2 h then if u log off is easy to see if u log off use buddy list come and shoot that wreck then u get 15 min agro time and 15 min are sufficient to get scanned and killed the agro time work even if u are at 15 jumps away It wasn't an exploit. Was a BoB spy inside D2. He had been scouting the Erebus for awhile in a covort ops ship. When it warped off so the pilot could log off, he locked on with a passive targeter and fired a single shot before the titan pilot logged. Pilot logged, not noticing he'd been shot. BoB warps in with Dreads and kills it in under 2 minutes -- Ererbus pilot didn't even have a tank going when he logged. No exploit.
Nu11u5 Novice Member Joined: 10/21/05 Posts: 602	2/16/07 4:04:24 PM#4 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) No, this event was not due to an exploit, no matter how much we would like to think of BoB as eb1l h4xploiters. The Official Statement by Dusk And Dawn [D2] I'll have to say "well executed" to BoB, despite being on the opposite side of the battle and an ally of D2. The method was within established game mechanics, though no argument that it was on the dirty side of the borderline. Titans should have some kind of unique vulnerability. Hopefully the addition of Heat(tm) and module targeting in the upcoming Revelations chapters will address this. //insert sig here
Sporn Novice Member Joined: 3/14/05 Posts: 262 I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. -Mark Twain	2/16/07 4:14:03 PM#5 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) What is lame is that so far 2 titans have been killed and they were not even in a fleet battle. They were sitting solo with the pilot's logged off. At this point you would have to be crazy to put all theat effort into somthing and have it killed by lag or a cheesy game mechanic.
Moghidin Novice Member Joined: 4/24/05 Posts: 85	2/16/07 4:22:14 PM#6 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) It was not an exploit as we see from D2 official statement, at least it was not the "wreck aggro timer" exploit. May be it was passive targeter exploit, which BoB just love to use. Anyway, I'm so happy that my subscribtion ended today and I'm leaving Eve. The game is quickly becoming a total piece of crap for the most sociopathic type of players. Yes, they can say all they want that spies, TS infiltration and other lame staff are legitimate tactics, it doesn't change a thing. If you resort to the lowest of the low means of fighting in a video game, you are a lamer. Actually, I just hope RA will beat the crap out of BoB with lame tactics of their own. Tbh, I disliked RA, but it looks like in order to succeed on alliance politics level, you just have to be dirtier than dirt, try to play fair, try to play for fun, and you'll be destroyed by those, who feel that cheating and using every possible dirty trick in the book of lameness is ok to win in a video game. Too bad D2 lost the ship, but at the same time, I have a feeling of great relief that I won't have to share my free time with ppl that are currently so proud that they've killed 2 logged off titans.
cosy Newshound Joined: 9/15/04 Posts: 3236 EvE Rules #491 you should never, ever attack Russians on winter months	2/16/07 4:45:45 PM#7 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) weeeeeee and CCP make second bookmark for permanent wreck why dont add on info "killed on loged off" PD:EvEisNot4WoWkids BestSigEver :P
Rabiator Novice Member Joined: 10/22/05 Posts: 348	2/16/07 5:19:07 PM#8 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) If I understand this correctly the Anathema shot the Titan and that increased the aggro time in which the Titan could be shot? That is a logical error in the game mechanics, a ship that is shot at without returning fire should never have an aggro disadvantage from it. Fix it, CCP...
RollinDutch Novice Member Joined: 5/30/06 Posts: 553	2/16/07 5:24:51 PM#9 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Rabiator That is a logical error in the game mechanics, a ship that is shot at without returning fire should never have an aggro disadvantage from it. Fix it, CCP... So in other words anyone who gets shot should be able to log no problem. I'm not saying that is the stupidest thing ever written, I'm just saying that its the stupidest thing written this year. You know why titans keep dying after logging/in construction? Because that is the only possible way to kill them.
BlackLight Novice Member Joined: 2/04/04 Posts: 46	2/16/07 5:29:56 PM#10 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I noticed this years ago, decided not to waste time there. -faith chooses no man
User Deleted	2/16/07 5:35:06 PM#11 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) While a valid tactic I still say it's kind of classless. Kudos to D2 for being mature about it. Shame on BoB for using it.
RollinDutch Novice Member Joined: 5/30/06 Posts: 553	2/16/07 5:39:51 PM#12 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Taram TBH I'm beginning to wonder if BoB is capable of killing cap ships without their pilots being logged out. How many titans have been killed by other entities in total? 0? There've only been what, 2 supercapitals downed total by other groups, and they were both motherships with considerably less defensive capability.
JackDonkey Apprentice Member Joined: 4/21/04 Posts: 384	2/16/07 6:06:48 PM#13 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) the aggression timer is in game to prevent people from saving their ships by logging out while under attack. In this case the aggression timer was used to initiate an attack, so it was not used for it's intended purpose, thus it's an exploit, or an abuse of game mechanics. To say it's a valid tactic is to say trading wins all day long in warcraft battlegrounds to rank up pre 2.0 patch is also a valid tactic. The main problem with this is CCP seems to fully endorse this kind of exploiting. The day they start balancing ship capabilities so they have abilities to counter this style of attack is the day I'll believe it's a valid tactic. i will also accept this as a tactic the day you can't leave gang until your aggression timer wears off so your friends have a chance to warp to you and save you. Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
cosy Newshound Joined: 9/15/04 Posts: 3236 EvE Rules #491 you should never, ever attack Russians on winter months	2/16/07 7:26:41 PM#14 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) the easy way is like on many games 15 seconds until logoff if some on hit u on that time the log off time get beaked is on: WoW, daoc, swg, AO, and many more the weird was that after the kill a GM pop up say congratulation to bob and that the wreck will be permanent in game none can say wtf was doing the gm there even if CCP make a statement about that not many ppl will believe them :((((( and about little "exploit" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kez2jW1zY PD:EvEisNot4WoWkids BestSigEver :P
Gamrag Novice Member Joined: 8/23/06 Posts: 47	2/16/07 7:34:27 PM#15 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Exploiting is whenever you use a game mechanic to accomplish something that is not meant to happen. The log off timer is put in place to prevent people from logging off from a fight to save a ship. It is not meant to be used by someone so that a ship can never log off or face destruction. It doesn't matter how cleaver the plan was, the bottom line is that the log off timer was used to accomplish something that was not meant for it to do. Just like trading wins in BGs or using "scouts" to avoid the afk penalty in WoW. All of these things can be achieved by simply playing the game and using what is available to you. But it's still an exploit.
RollinDutch Novice Member Joined: 5/30/06 Posts: 553	2/16/07 8:34:01 PM#16 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Gamrag Exploiting is whenever you use a game mechanic to accomplish something that is not meant to happen. The log off timer is put in place to prevent people from logging off from a fight to save a ship. It is not meant to be used by someone so that a ship can never log off or face destruction. It doesn't matter how cleaver the plan was, the bottom line is that the log off timer was used to accomplish something that was not meant for it to do. Just like trading wins in BGs or using "scouts" to avoid the afk penalty in WoW. All of these things can be achieved by simply playing the game and using what is available to you. But it's still an exploit. That is an excellent definition, which encompasses jetcan mining, buddy lists of hostiles, local's all-seeing eye, safespots... should I go on or do you get the problem with such a strict definition of exploit? In reality exploits are what CCP says they are. Flagging people aggroed so you can kill them is not.
Ciredric Novice Member Joined: 9/28/06 Posts: 724	2/16/07 9:28:45 PM#17 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Yeah right, another obvious exploit passed off as good tactics. This game is going downhill fast and the devs are doing zip about it. Anyone congratulating BOB on this thread should go stick their head in the sand in shame. They should rename BOB to "Exploits are US"!
Gamrag Novice Member Joined: 8/23/06 Posts: 47	2/16/07 10:03:37 PM#18 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by RollinDutch That is an excellent definition, which encompasses jetcan mining, buddy lists of hostiles, local's all-seeing eye, safespots... should I go on or do you get the problem with such a strict definition of exploit? In reality exploits are what CCP says they are. Flagging people aggroed so you can kill them is not. Exploiting is not a black and white thing. Rmemeber, the game is a creation, made by CCP with rules that they decided on. Rules are usually put in to ensure fair play and that in itself is a subjective. The creater of any MMO needs to make sure that every feature that is put into a game will not result in misuse and exploiting. I highly doubt that CCP designed the current aggro timer with what happened today to D2's titan in mind. It just doesn't make sense. What they're saying is that it's ok to try to aggro people as they are logging so you can get a free kill, when the reason for logging off is not to avoid getting killed at all. The D2 titan pilot had stuck around for several hours and then had to log because of RL. He wasn't getting attacked, he never got any aggro. Is that really the point of this game? To find ways so that you don't actually have to fight in order to kill someone? Ultimately, it's CCP's call. They can decide what is "legal" and what is not. Whether they give the Titan back to D2 will say a lot about this current issue. If the titan stays dead, then it's ok to do this to anyone and everyone. If it's given back, then the current tactics is an exploit. I'll accept what CCP decides in this case.
leipuri Apprentice Member Joined: 12/07/04 Posts: 558	2/16/07 10:06:25 PM#19 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by cosy and about little "exploit" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kez2jW1zY Classic. I bet CCP is turning blind eye to that and oh there is no log of any exploit being used (we dont want to ban any of our friends).
EyeSpEye Novice Member Joined: 5/02/06 Posts: 65	2/16/07 10:14:49 PM#20 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Part of the problem (exploiting or not) is the ethics. Throwing mud in the face is one thing, totally abusing code is another. EVE is a total sandbox which is great. Having spies and such is awesome. Great job on the BoB spy for doing what he did to further his corp's goals. It's a RL type of situation that can gain someone an advantage in war time. But now we come across using node crashing/offline pilot/POS bubble/etc. Whatever the excuses are, the point is, this is no longer about being able to conquer an enemy, but to use the games coding to someone's advantage. In my eyes, fair or foul, that would be exploiting. Doesn't matter if it goes with the terms or not, it is taking away from the immersion of the game. And worst yet CCP congratulates them for it. It's like this game is no longer about ingame tactics or skill, but who can figure out how to work around the coding to gain the maximum advantage. Well I was about to give CCP another chance after the "incident", but I obviously should have (and will now) go with my first instinct.