Originally posted by cupertino

Originally posted by Aelfinn

Originally posted by godpuppet
How can you dumb down WoW? lol

By making it even less possible to die while fighting mobs around your level. I was fighting level fives, at level one, and winning.

Can i see a movie of your mad skills?, go grab demo of fraps and post it on youtube

I claimed, and continue to claim no "mad skills".

My point was that its dissapointingly easy, with how fast the health regeneration is set.

Originally posted by Brabus
I wont get into the bugs (there are still many, but I know its still in beta), but somethings wont change.  Im a rather big tolkin fan, and am a long time gamer (beta tested realm and UO, been active mmorpg-player since then).  But this game has almost nothing to do with lord of the rings except for the name, similar like DDO.  They just exploited the name to lure fans.  Also, leveling, adventure, locations are designed to be very fast-food like, sometimes even shallower than WOW. 

I wouldn't even mention bugs at all, they're so few for it being beta.  I'd expect more post-release of other MMOs.

Disappointment, though.  Yep, this one will be very disappointing for a lot of the serious Tolkien fans and MMO vets.  Lucky for me, I didn't hope for anything, so simply enjoyed it.  Lucky for Turbine, there are lots of players who'll think it's great, because the only MMO they know is WOW, and only know LOTR from the movies.

Ok one thing that ticks me off. If you actually read practically any of the backstory or quest completion dialog, practically everything that happens in Bree land and the Lone Lands is directly related to the events in the Books.
a) All the Brigands in Bree Land are ultimately servents of either the Nazgul or Saruman.
b) The Wights being stirred up in the Barrow Downs are all under the influence of the Nazgul.
c) The critters and trees in the Old Forest are negatively influenced by Sauron
d) The Wights and indirectly the Shades in Agamuar are all due to the influence of the Nazgul.

I mean, it seemed to me like every other quest in the locales that the Ring passes through in the books are tied to the main plotline. Not directly, because the "Fellowship of the Ring" didn't mention Frodo being escorted by extra adventurers looking for level ups. The only areas where it ISN'T that important are the North Downs and Erad Luin, because they didn't go there in the books. So there are other storylines there. Your character is (hopefully) never going to be able to fight a Nazgul, so they gave the game some Angmarian evil-type middle management.

They didn't just slap this game together and call it "Lord of the Rings Online". Maybe they didn't succeed in your opinion, but they definitely tried to work with the lore when they put the game together. Even the places where they arguably break it, the NPCs involved mention that things have recently gotten worse, they had legends of Wights or monsters but didn't believe them, etc.

Originally posted by Veiled_light

Originally posted by Lukain

Originally posted by Veiled_light

I played LOTRO finally on the EU beta weekend on saturday.



Well i say played, i logged in and logged out about 5 mins later :D The game was horrible.

Go away troll , you can't gudge a game on 5 minutes , to even believe you got into beta is a joke ... Now head back to Vandgrind  & tell mommy you wan't more pie ..

 

Actually my mum died 4 years ago and i don't like Vanguard + I can judge a game in 5 mins :S If you do not like the feel or mechanics of a game straight away then you wont like it later on. whats the point wasting more time.

Geez you don't know anything about the human senses

And what horrible mechanics did you manage to notice in 5 minutes?

WSAD controls didn't feel right for you? Or right-click to talk to NPCs? Yep, those are horrible design choices I immediately saw too.

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Originally posted by Vhaln
Yep, this one will be very disappointing for a lot of the serious Tolkien fans and MMO vets.

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-- Bridget

Originally posted by solareus
until you have done the 2 key  great borrows instance with a group , you aren't going to get any feeling of scope. If you played thru lvls 1-10 , Then I can see where you can think this is a dumbed down game. The great barrows instance is awsome lol , I really don't see how you can not play thru that and not get a really rewarding feeling after accomplishing it.  Yes I agree that this is a step game , a good filler till the A grade titles come along , but for the most part , this is NOT for hardcore gamers. This is a family styled mmo that will cater to the causal gamer. Bugs ? I've had only bugs that hamper a quest , that is about it. Think thru my entire beta cycle from last year the only bugs I've come across was 1 quest . I played for a while last year too.Compared to vanguard in the bug realm,  LoTRo feels like its been live for 1 year.

Top it all off , the game runs stellar on most machines with high graphics. The artist who did the LoTRo seems to have gone for a water color painting kind of look, which is awsome imho.

If your acknowledging this game has nothing to do with the movies , then you are 100% correct. This is based on the books , which have a deep history between the races. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion but again we see a total lack of why , what and wheres in the OP.

I remember one of the VG devs posting about the first ten levels of a game needing to be insanely easy because they found that in EQ1 a BUNCH of people quit within the first ten levels because it was "too hard".

What they fail to realize is how many people quit within the first ten levels because it's "too easy".

I would think most people play the first ten levels, and they assume, as they should, that the next 40 or 50 will be of the same or nearly the same difficulty.  Devs!  Please scale your difficulty with less of a curve!  Make it harder up front and somewhat harder later; not dreadfully easy to start and a 'regular' amount of difficulty later.  Don't bore us within the first ten levels.

Originally posted by Brabus
I wont get into the bugs (there are still many, but I know its still in beta), but somethings wont change.  Im a rather big tolkin fan, and am a long time gamer (beta tested realm and UO, been active mmorpg-player since then).  But this game has almost nothing to do with lord of the rings except for the name, similar like DDO.  They just exploited the name to lure fans.  Also, leveling, adventure, locations are designed to be very fast-food like, sometimes even shallower than WOW. 

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Brabus
I wont get into the bugs (there are still many, but I know its still in beta), but somethings wont change.  Im a rather big tolkin fan, and am a long time gamer (beta tested realm and UO, been active mmorpg-player since then).  But this game has almost nothing to do with lord of the rings except for the name, similar like DDO.  They just exploited the name to lure fans.  Also, leveling, adventure, locations are designed to be very fast-food like, sometimes even shallower than WOW. 

I'm the same way.  I can't find anything to do with LoTR except for hobbitts and the freakings above quest givers heads.

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

What is it with the people on this board?  We seem to feel the need to stomp on one game to make ours look better.  What does LoTR have to do with Vanguard?  Other than being 2 new MMOs, absolutely nothing.  I think we all need to understand that it's okay to like two or more MMOs at the same time!  For example, I play Vanguard and I'm in LoTR beta.  Both are great games in their own way!  And here's a dirty little secret...I LIKE WOW too!  If you limit your MMO tastes to just one game or type of game, you are really going to miss out in the coming months.

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Brabus
I wont get into the bugs (there are still many, but I know its still in beta), but somethings wont change.  Im a rather big tolkin fan, and am a long time gamer (beta tested realm and UO, been active mmorpg-player since then).  But this game has almost nothing to do with lord of the rings except for the name, similar like DDO.  They just exploited the name to lure fans.  Also, leveling, adventure, locations are designed to be very fast-food like, sometimes even shallower than WOW. 

I'm the same way.  I can't find anything to do with LoTR except for hobbitts and the freakings above quest givers heads.

What books did you read ?

Originally posted by solareus
Frankly I thought the first 10 introductory levels where well scripted and thought out. The major difference between these levels and Vanguards levels , is in LoTRO you have a continuing flow , that takes you from town to town. Vanguard lacked direction , though it is suppose to give people the freedom to create their own direction path it leaves way to much of an over whelming feel in the first 10 lvls, leaving newer mmo players with a really a huge void . I can seriously see people playing for months in Vanguard with out having a clear direction or goal with in the game.

With LoTRO the void is filled with different types of quests and some really well written instances. This gives the adventure a sense of purpose and after completing each quest some sense of accomplishment.

What is neat about the game and what  makes me smile is to see people in there lil fellowships running to their next adventures and just having fun. A lot of positive chat in the game as well as an all around positive atitude between the devs and community, something Sigil lacked dearly.

Actually the first 10 levels of VG are extremely linear.  Just like WoW.  Course I only played a human in the Khal area, but it was exactly how WoW has their content set up.

You start in a small village killing some critter who is a nuisance.  Then when you hit a certain level an NPC gives you a quest to go see 'Joe' in the next area of town or small town.  'Joe' is in need of someone of your talent.  Then you get done with 'Joe's' stuff, and Joe sends you to Caleb in the main town (Khal in the VG example).  Caleb needs someone of your calibur to handle this other problem the whole army seems not to be able to help with.

Hand-holding in the extreme.  When the VG boards lit up about how bad and sucky that was, that's when a Dev made that comment about how they lost so many people when EQ went gold, due to how 'hard' the first ten levels are as a newb in that game.

Personally, the first ten levels is what got me hooked on EQ.  I had to figure out how to level.  I couldn't reliably find my way to the next town, which was a LOT of the fun.  In today's games, it seems like the other way around.  I dare you to figure out how NOT to level.  I dare you to try NOT to be able to find the next town.

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

What is it with the people on this board?  We seem to feel the need to stomp on one game to make ours look better.  What does LoTR have to do with Vanguard?  Other than being 2 new MMOs, absolutely nothing.  I think we all need to understand that it's okay to like two or more MMOs at the same time!  For example, I play Vanguard and I'm in LoTR beta.  Both are great games in their own way!  And here's a dirty little secret...I LIKE WOW too!  If you limit your MMO tastes to just one game or type of game, you are really going to miss out in the coming months.

I totally agree.  People on these forums are just too subjective.  Sure an large part of an mmo is subjective as far as liking it, but I try and give objective reasons why I don't like it. 

I do think players should play more than one mmo.  Currently I play Vanguard and CoX.  Vanguard when I want to think a bit, diplomacy and crafting are different than other games I've seen and I play CoX when I just want to kick back and grind grind grind.  Others may feel like Vanguard is a grind, and that CoX is not, but thats how I feel. 

Objectively I don't like LotRO for a few reasons.
1 It reminds me too much of WoW and for this If I wanted to play this type of game, I'd just play WoW.
2 While I beta tested it, I didn't really enjoy the combat.  It was not interesting.
3 The graphics are on par with WoW and WoW came out 2 years ago.  I don't want 2 years old graphics.  I want cutting edge.  Thats why I game with a PC instead of a console. 

Im hoping you decide to explain your thinking here, because without it, you have lost a TON of credibility. 

To say LOTRO graphics are equivilant to WoWs is crazy.  Same style? NO.  Same quality? NO.   LOTRO graphics are far better than CoX, so using these graphic claims as a reason to play it, yet saying you play CoX on a regular basis, makes no sense. 

LOTRO graphics are comparible to EQII.  They are comparable to VG on Balanced.  And the water effects in LOTRO outdue VG by a mile.  Maybe its my x1300 512m graphics card, but the water in VG looks like watered down milk.  with no reflections.  Somehow, they put reflection on everything other object in the game, but left it off the water.  Maybe there is a Reverse Reflection option I forgot to check in the UI Settings menu.

Originally posted by Az2002ro

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

What is it with the people on this board?  We seem to feel the need to stomp on one game to make ours look better.  What does LoTR have to do with Vanguard?  Other than being 2 new MMOs, absolutely nothing.  I think we all need to understand that it's okay to like two or more MMOs at the same time!  For example, I play Vanguard and I'm in LoTR beta.  Both are great games in their own way!  And here's a dirty little secret...I LIKE WOW too!  If you limit your MMO tastes to just one game or type of game, you are really going to miss out in the coming months.

I totally agree.  People on these forums are just too subjective.  Sure an large part of an mmo is subjective as far as liking it, but I try and give objective reasons why I don't like it. 

I do think players should play more than one mmo.  Currently I play Vanguard and CoX.  Vanguard when I want to think a bit, diplomacy and crafting are different than other games I've seen and I play CoX when I just want to kick back and grind grind grind.  Others may feel like Vanguard is a grind, and that CoX is not, but thats how I feel. 

Objectively I don't like LotRO for a few reasons.
1 It reminds me too much of WoW and for this If I wanted to play this type of game, I'd just play WoW.
2 While I beta tested it, I didn't really enjoy the combat.  It was not interesting.
3 The graphics are on par with WoW and WoW came out 2 years ago.  I don't want 2 years old graphics.  I want cutting edge.  Thats why I game with a PC instead of a console. 

Im hoping you decide to explain your thinking here, because without it, you have lost a TON of credibility. 

To say LOTRO graphics are equivilant to WoWs is crazy.  Same style? NO.  Same quality? NO.   LOTRO graphics are far better than CoX, so using these graphic claims as a reason to play it, yet saying you play CoX on a regular basis, makes no sense. 

LOTRO graphics are comparible to EQII.  They are comparable to VG on Balanced.  And the water effects in LOTRO outdue VG by a mile.  Maybe its my x1300 512m graphics card, but the water in VG looks like watered down milk.  with no reflections.  Somehow, they put reflection on everything other object in the game, but left it off the water.  Maybe there is a Reverse Reflection option I forgot to check in the UI Settings menu.

Just shut up and play the game..... or dont who cares what you think or what i do for that matter

You all look like a bunch of english housewives having a cup of tea and talk about stuff wich has no purpose.

Originally posted by nebulez

Just shut up and play the game..... or dont who cares what you think or what i do for that matter

You all look like a bunch of english housewives having a cup of tea and talk about stuff wich has no purpose.

I'd play that game.

EHHTO (English Housewives Having Tea Online) is going to be sick, but it's for hardcore players only, thank God...and Lipton.

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Deathstrike2

What is it with the people on this board?  We seem to feel the need to stomp on one game to make ours look better.  What does LoTR have to do with Vanguard?  Other than being 2 new MMOs, absolutely nothing.  I think we all need to understand that it's okay to like two or more MMOs at the same time!  For example, I play Vanguard and I'm in LoTR beta.  Both are great games in their own way!  And here's a dirty little secret...I LIKE WOW too!  If you limit your MMO tastes to just one game or type of game, you are really going to miss out in the coming months.

I totally agree.  Sure an large part of an mmo is subjective as far as liking it, but I try and give objective reasons why I don't like it. 

I do think players should play more than one mmo.  Currently I play Vanguard and CoX.  Vanguard when I want to think a bit, diplomacy and crafting are different than other games I've seen and I play CoX when I just want to kick back and grind grind grind.  Others may feel like Vanguard is a grind, and that CoX is not, but thats how I feel. 

I don't like LotRO for a few reasons.
1 It reminds me too much of WoW and for this If I wanted to play this type of game, I'd just play WoW.
2 While I beta tested it, I didn't really enjoy the combat.  It was not interesting.
3 The graphics are on par with WoW and WoW came out 2 years ago.  I don't want 2 years old graphics.  I want cutting edge.  Thats why I game with a PC instead of a console.