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Cokey Novice Member Joined: 7/05/04 Posts: 15	2/12/07 8:34:11 PM#21 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I'd like to see how these fans of Point and Click circle strafe :) My sorcerer, esp solo and duo spends a lot of time running backwards/strafing/circling whilst casting spells (include snare). This playstyle is impossible with Point and Click. Point and click RPG's = simplified realtime combat. With a point and click interface I couldn't solo 3 dot even/yellow con mobs at all, which I do regularly (currently level 19).
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Tnice Novice Member Joined: 1/21/07 Posts: 563	2/13/07 9:33:26 AM#22 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Gamespy review added.
Harafnir Hard Core Member Joined: 2/18/04 Posts: 1246	2/13/07 9:39:23 AM#23 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Stoneysilenc I can't believe the writer complained about WASD movement and it not having point and click!?! No MMO that has used P&C has done very well and has generally been ravaged for that choice. Wish was, Shadowbane was. Sounded like to me that this was the writers first MMO if they complained about that. People who have seen my posts know that I am the last in the world to defend Vanguard... But yeah, that reviewer was extremly clueless. It cant be his actual job, probably just a site vistor that tossed something up, because it reeks of ignorance. "This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
Deathstrike2 Novice Member Joined: 2/04/06 Posts: 1783 "We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr.	2/13/07 9:39:29 AM#24 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Vhaln Originally posted by Gameloading Excuse me, but the largest MMO's next to WoW ARE point & click. Lineage and Lineage 2 both have 1,5 million subscribers to this day, and then we have ofcourse Ragnarok Online, and lets not forget RF Online, which at one point had 1 million subscribers. I'm not surprised the writer complained that the game was not using point and click, because point and click is obviously superior to WASD movement. In 3rd person view, I agree. It just takes some getting used to, but once you get used it it, it can be a nice improvemnt. In 1st-person view, though, it's more debatable. You can't see around you well enough for point-and-click. And Vanguard has the best 1st-person view of any MMO I've ever played. I'm not sure why it hasn't become standard to offer both kinds of movement, though. Let the player decide. Doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult. I absolutely hate point and click movement. If a game didn't give a choice between the two, I would not play it. WASD is the way to go.
User Deleted	2/13/07 9:58:28 AM#25 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far.
FrostWyrm Hard Core Member Joined: 6/11/05 Posts: 1028	2/13/07 1:15:47 PM#26 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by BigMango In Lineage 2 while fighting or while running somewhere my hands are free and the keyboard is only used for chatting. So whenever your press a key it writes to the chat. This is fast and convenient. (The F-n keys are used for the action bar/skills shortcuts). When you are in a difficult situation in a fight it is easy and fast to call for help on the chat. I'm not entirely familiar with L2's combat system, but as someone mentioned before, you have autorun to use in WASD, freeing your hands to chat, and in combat, well, even with P&C movement controls you'd still have to pause from selecting your skills/spells to type text into your chat bar regardless of which control scheme the game uses. When in a difficult fight and you are about to die, you have to stop what you are doing to chat, so you die. Also sometimes I am surprised by aggro mobs while the chat is active (but I don't know this), so I press my shortcuts 1112222134111 but my toon does not fight ..... arrghhhh it was typing on the chat instead of fighting, now I'm almost dead !!!! UNPLAYABLE !!! If you're in a difficult fight and you are about to die, you shouldn't be trying to chat with WASD OR P&C. Instead you should be concentrating on trying to stay alive. If you get ambushed while chatting, it's usually a simple matter of hitting the ESC key before trying to fight. You sound like you're just unacustomed to WASD. These are the kinds of things people face and have no problem with every day, just because it's different than you're used to doesn't make it unplayable. You dont put down your Nintendo controler after playing a Super Mario game, then complain about how Solid Snake doesn't jump when you press the corresponding button on your PS2 controler do you? Different games have different controls. You just have to get used to them. I personally prefer WASD because it offers more precision in movement (albeit at a higher learning curve). Point & Click also doesnt work terribly well in games that allow your character to move vertically as well as horizontally, such as jumping, swimming, or flying. Besides, all that pointing and clicking makes my wrist hurt, obviously because I'm not used to it, though I still managed to enjoy Ragnarok Online despite this. It may be different than what you're used to, I didnt like it at first either (I was used to using the arrow keys instead of WASD) but now it's like second nature to me. You just need time to adjust.
Mogwa Novice Member Joined: 2/13/07 Posts: 44	2/13/07 3:02:23 PM#27 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I cant wait for MMOGCHART.com to make his new graphs showing VG having .0000000001% of the market lol. M
anarchyart Novice Member Joined: 8/12/04 Posts: 5420 "I feel sorry for people who don't drink: that's the best they'll feel all day." -Frank Sinatra	2/13/07 3:10:50 PM#28 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by solareus mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far. Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game.
Celestian Novice Member Joined: 5/07/03 Posts: 1135	2/13/07 3:15:49 PM#29 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Stoneysilenc I can't believe the writer complained about WASD movement and it not having point and click!?! No MMO that has used P&C has done very well and has generally been ravaged for that choice. Wish was, Shadowbane was. Sounded like to me that this was the writers first MMO if they complained about that. Guild Wars used point and click... they also used WASD. Good choice really so both camps can be happy. I don't much like point and click myself but no need to not have it both ways. I remember when the Wish devs basically threw a fit when people kept asking for WASD (they used PnC)... was interesting. http://www.greycouncil.US
Celestian Novice Member Joined: 5/07/03 Posts: 1135	2/13/07 3:18:26 PM#30 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by solareus mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far. Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game. Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like. Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself. Cheers. http://www.greycouncil.US
CaleSentari Apprentice Member Joined: 1/02/07 Posts: 178 "I had an epiphany once...then I mercilessly beat someone until I forgot."	2/13/07 3:24:45 PM#31 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Somnulus If you utilize auto-run in a point and click game, you still have to point and click to give your character a destination/direction; what a pain in the butt. Why would you use the auto-run button AND point and click? By clicking your destination doesn't it put you in an auto-run/auto-move.?
Vengeful Novice Member Joined: 5/09/06 Posts: 475	2/13/07 3:47:39 PM#32 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Amari_ Even if Lineage I and II have all those subscribers...it doesn't really matter since the game is bad, now does it? Point and Click is inferior in almost every way to being able to control with WASD. You have less control, and most point and click interfaces have terrible pathing and directional issues. Amen
Gnazon Novice Member Joined: 1/01/07 Posts: 444 Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.	2/13/07 3:52:32 PM#33 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) As far as I understand both WoW and GuildWars support both point and click and WSAD, I don't see why all/most MMOs couldn't adopt that solution and keep everyone happy. Personally I have disliked every and single one MMO that didn't allow me for WSAD movement. And while on the subject of controls, what is it with all (that I have seen) Asian MMOs not allowing you to redefine keys? How hard can that be to code?
Arclan Apprentice Member Joined: 1/29/07 Posts: 377	2/13/07 5:14:26 PM#34 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) ROFL on the point and click drama. Never even heard of P&C til this thread. P&C would absolutely suck as a gaming interface, IMO. Did anyone notice the review at gamespy? The guy gave it a score of "fair" then spends the majority of the review crying about how hard the game is. OMG, is he serious? VG is rediculously easy compared to its predecessor (EQ1). Kudos to Blizzard for dumbing down the MMO population to the point that anything resembling a challenge is considered "way too hard." http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/vanguard-saga-of-heroes/763951p1.html Bah let me rewrite this....hand me my tinfoil hat, I smell a conspiracy. Check out Gamespy's review of Burning Crusade and VG: Burning Crusade: "Everything we loved about WoW, but improved: new, interesting races; new, more attractive zones; tons of more interesting quests. " VG: "Uninspired graphics that don't merit the high system requirements; buggy premature release." Cough, hack...ahem, from what I heard from some WoWrs, that expansion is nothing to return to the game for. From what I've experienced in VG for myself, the graphics are beyond inspiring...they're in the realm of magical. If you want to dis VG, it is credential-defeating to point to graphics. Arclan Cirel Playing: Planetside Played: Everquest, Vanguard, Pirates of the Burning Sea, EVE, UO.
anarchyart Novice Member Joined: 8/12/04 Posts: 5420 "I feel sorry for people who don't drink: that's the best they'll feel all day." -Frank Sinatra	2/13/07 5:17:57 PM#35 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Celestian Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like. Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself. Cheers. Well juding by your case, it keeps them out, and also keeps them quite ignorant if I do say so myself. Cheers.
treysmooth Advanced Member Joined: 6/25/06 Posts: 596	2/13/07 5:23:03 PM#36 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Holding both mouse buttons allows you to run and guide your path just as point and click does, difference its more accurate to do it with both mouse buttons held down imo. If the reviewer didn't mention that he simply didn't play the game enough, I figured it out simply playing the game as I do any mmo.
redelf07 Novice Member Joined: 11/27/06 Posts: 157	2/13/07 5:50:54 PM#37 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Arclan ROFL on the point and click drama. Never even heard of P&C til this thread. P&C would absolutely suck as a gaming interface, IMO. Did anyone notice the review at gamespy? The guy gave it a score of "fair" then spends the majority of the review crying about how hard the game is. OMG, is he serious? VG is rediculously easy compared to its predecessor (EQ1). Kudos to Blizzard for dumbing down the MMO population to the point that anything resembling a challenge is considered "way too hard." http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/vanguard-saga-of-heroes/763951p1.html Bah let me rewrite this....hand me my tinfoil hat, I smell a conspiracy. Check out Gamespy's review of Burning Crusade and VG: Burning Crusade: "Everything we loved about WoW, but improved: new, interesting races; new, more attractive zones; tons of more interesting quests. " VG: "Uninspired graphics that don't merit the high system requirements; buggy premature release." Cough, hack...ahem, from what I heard from some WoWrs, that expansion is nothing to return to the game for. From what I've experienced in VG for myself, the graphics are beyond inspiring...they're in the realm of magical. If you want to dis VG, it is credential-defeating to point to graphics. Exactly. The reviewer didn't even point out features of the game. He probably got to lvl 1, and cried because his Emachines couldn't run on low settings. The entire review was "I couldnt find a group, so its a terrible game." The guy probably didn't have general chat enabled. And I know what you mean, his TBC review was as though it was the holy grail. Burning Crusade is more of the same thing. Me and all my friends have played WoW since release, and all agree on this fact. 5 or 6 new zones, and a few more extremely easy(much easier than previous content) instances. I like this compilation of reviews in the thread, but that one was just downright unfair past the point where he said it was unfinished. E8400@ 4.0Ghz ~ Saphire HD 4870 ~ 6GB DDR2@ 860MhZ
FrostWyrm Hard Core Member Joined: 6/11/05 Posts: 1028	2/14/07 5:20:45 AM#38 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Celestian Originally posted by anarchyart Originally posted by solareus mediocre scores for a mediocre title . Pretty dead on so far. Judging from the quote "up yours" under your avatar, I'd just like to thank Sigil for making the game exactly how they have. Seems to keep a$$holes out of the game. Actually it keeps them in VG, in your case anyway and out of the ones that folks like. Whenever the fanboy high wears off and you realize you've been in a game that you could have been playing for some 7 years (EQ1) you'll kick yourself. Cheers. I havnt played Vanguard yet, so I wont comment on whether it's good or not, but if there's ANY game can keep me entertained for 7 years, you can be damned sure I'd welcome more of it, not kick myself.
Tnice Novice Member Joined: 1/21/07 Posts: 563	2/16/07 6:27:55 PM#39 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Added review. 72%.
noodlesan Novice Member Joined: 9/19/04 Posts: 47	2/16/07 6:35:14 PM#40 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I like how this debate over the quality of the game is REDUCED TO POINT and CLICK AND N. America vs ASIA!!!! I just love it. Keep it up. The developers will listen to you.