It is reallly a shame, SOE created something unique and special....Then destroyed it.    I think alot of us feel lost because there is no other game style that matches what Pre-NGE was.  We run from one mouse and cheese to another MMORPG looking for what we lost.

 

I left mainly because they  removed bounty hunting of jedi when they went to NGE....killing jedi wannabe grinders on kashyyk is about the main reason I played the game.

Especialy the ones that thought they are badasses with their healer jedi and challanged me to BH em, only to bitch and moan about how overpowered CM is after i collected their bounties.

True in my case and for all my friends who played this game.  Up to this day they still say, if the game style reverted to how it was before or returns as close to it, they would return. Many of us are hopping to MMORPG looking for something that closely resembles  that style, but so far no luck.

Originally posted by whiterose555

It is reallly a shame, SOE created something unique and special....Then destroyed it.    I think alot of us feel lost because there is no other game style that matches what Pre-NGE was.  We run from one mouse and cheese to another MMORPG looking for what we lost.

 

I liked the Pre-NGE. The reasons because 1) I was a bounty hunter 2) I loved chasing down jedis and confronting them and ransoming there lives once there almost dead. ( it worked! they gave me more than what they were worth and we went on our mary ways. 3) Hunting jedis and listinging to them cry and start to curse you for kicking there butts with your CM-BH

Oh you mean that online third person shooter? That game sure is swell.

You forgot one choice. My choice!

I left because many of my ingame friende left. And they left because of one of the polls choices..

Still with me? Good!

NGE/Hate for SOE/horrible customer service/worst devs ever/NGE/NGE/NGE

That pretty much does it for me

Most reasons SWG lost subs or had problems getting more people to join in a somewhat chronological order.


Launch

Launch continously delayed.
Launched with tons of bugs.
Launch that was missing alot of the promised mechanics.


Fast forward to the JTL expansion, after spending the time before that adding in most mechanics that where supposed to be there at launch.

JTL had plenty of bugs that were reported and ignored from beta.
Bugs from launch or early launch that were still being ignored.
Refusal to correctly balance proffs, more specifically melee stackers.


Fast forward to RoTW expansion.

Working on an expansion while blatantly ignoring pre-existing bugs in the main game.
Bugs with the expnasion that again were reported in beta, and again ignored before release.
Knowingly releasing a very bugged expansion then acting suprised there was problems.
Zoning and invisible walls in a game that really didn't have any before this.


CURB and CU, around the same time as RoTW testing was ongoing

Scrapping the highly liked CURB for the quickly and poorly done CU.
Wasting all the Dev time and effort spent on the CURB for a poorly done CU.
Again ingoring pre-existing bugs to work on other mechanics that were also bugged.
And again blatantly ignoring bugs reported from CU beta.
And again knowingly releasing very bugged content and acting suprised there was problems.
Putting in Combat Levels which almost everyone detested.
Forcing players to choose 2 Elite proffs rather than being able to mix and match skills/proffs.
Totally hosing proffs, gear, equipment, CA's AA's, resources with the CU changes.
Blatantly attempting to whore Jedi to the public for more subs while mostly ignoring the rest of the game.
Publish after publish and patch after patch devoted solely to Jedi while ignoring the rest of the game.
Nerfing proffs left and right that had a chance at defeating said Jedi.


Now fast forward to the ToOW expansion

Working on an expansion while blatantly ignoring pre-existing bugs in the main game.
Bugs with the expnasion that again were reported in beta, and again ignored before release.
Knowingly releasing a very bugged expansion then acting suprised there was problems.
More zoning and invisible walls that players detested.
Had some of the least variation of either Mobs or Terrain of any expansion but cost the most.
Contained no Space zones, but again cost the most of any exansion.


Now the NGE, remember SL and some other proffs were revamped just before this

Completely took out 20 odd proffs including the ones that were just revamped.
Knowingly wasting Dev time/ effort on proffs that were not going to exist in NGE.
Sprung on the public 1 Day after ToOW billing hit.
Obviously poorly done with little planning or thinking ahead.
Was not wanted, needed, or asked for by the players but was forced on them anyway.
Riddled like swiss cheese with bugs.
Knowingly released with these bugs.
Chock full of Lag.
More changes to combat and proffs.
Again totally hosing proffs, gear, equipment, resources with the NGE changes.
Intentionally screwing every Non Combat proff that was still remaining.
Forcing everyone into 1 single proff with no variation.
Taking out every combat special in favor of the same 4-5 repeated over and over from lvl 1-90.
Huge amounts of lag even though it now had 1/5 the players of a previous mostly lag free game.
Intentionally trying to lie and mislead the players.
Repeating these same lies and misdirection in every single interview.



Things that were common throughout the life of SWG

Constantly nerfing proffs.
Constantly changing combat, never getting it right, and not leaving it the hell alone.
Never correctly balancing proffs for either PVP or PVE.
Bugs, bugs, and yet more bugs.
Blatantly ignoring many of these bugs till game changes made them moot problems.
Very poor customer service.
Threatening and or banning players who posted valid problems, bugs, or concerns.
Knowingly releasing incomplete or bugged content, patches, and expansions.
Attempting to lie to or misdirect the players at every turn.
Very rarely ever listening to what the players liked, wanted, or saw as a problem.
Also very rarely ever admitting to mistakes or trying to fix those mistakes once made.
Wasting Dev time/effort for changes that were not wanted or asked for.
Taking weeks or months to undo these changes even though they took 1 patch to implement them.
Refusing to take player input on changes or mechanics that they wanted.
Ever increasing lag even though the number of players kept decreasing.
Changes, Content, or Mechanics that were never even tested by players, just implemented.





I'm sure there's other things that some would say were missed or they would disagree on but for me and most people I knew that played those were the highlights of why we disliked the game more and more, ended up quitting, or in the case of people who hadn't played it why they wouldn't try the game.

Sure those are my opinions but that what I saw personally and what I was told from everyone else I knew who had played or heard of the game some or all of those reasons are why they quit or wouldn't try the game.


Feel free to edit in your items, add in other things, or whatever but that should cover most the problems in SWG from launch to current.

Being a loyal NGE hater, I gotta give them some defense. Yes there was tons of bugs, and still they kept creating more expansion and adding content. Reason is pretty clear, there's separate teams working on bug hunting and creating new content. Just like every other MMO. Comment like that just annoy me

If they woulda kept pre-cu skills and proff. added contenet and fixed the bugz they game would be top 3 still today, but they didn't so we all left. I think it's safe to say we cuase last  trial i got a chance to play on there was a total of 0 players left my buddy list

I said this before and I will say it again SOE has not got the capablities to design, build or maintain a successful MMO. Everything thing they create or takeover is simply crap to put it nicely. The developers they have got lack any imagination, they lack any design flare, are egotistical Fcukwits and refuse to admit they are wrong when they have made bad decisions. They have questionable business tactics and also do not reward customer loyalty but choose to worship the dollar bill instead.

That is why every game SOE will ever publish, produce create or what ever will never be a success they simply have to much dead weight at the company to be competent at being a successful company; by successful I mean having 1 million plus subs play 1 game outside of the station pass crap.

The NGE

Being told there was much to much reading...

Telling us the game was too complex so they made it easy.

Jedi = both sides of how this went...

The way SOE treats people and in hindsight finally saying "DO NOT MAKE OUR MISTAKES"...

Leading people on

Lying to thier customers

Taking things away without giving back somthing better but making it worse.

Thinking they know what the real playerbase wanted.

Trying to tell me the NGE was going to work and to "Give it a try".... lol  ahh how nice it was to be right in the end though...lol

 

(This is a few) ..... there is alot more of course but no need to spend 10 mins typing them all.

 

The CU is my reason, came back to see how bad great NGE was /rofl the option should have been CU/NGE Ruined the game ^^

NGE...

Says it all, doesn't it?

 

No.. didn't  you read? We all abandoned SWG. That's what happened.

Hello I was a pre CU jedi and had a pre CU doctor tons of top line harvested supplies. Then this CU came and bang lost my doctor supplies were worthless jedi was nerfed to hell. Oh gee I wonder why I quit. I am not bitter though cause some sap bought my jedi on ebay for 900 dollars so im happy. May you die fast SWG.

Originally posted by 'Vek
Being a loyal NGE hater, I gotta give them some defense. Yes there was tons of bugs, and still they kept creating more expansion and adding content. Reason is pretty clear, there's separate teams working on bug hunting and creating new content. Just like every other MMO. Comment like that just annoy me

I think you're missing the big picture here about SWG versus other MMOs where bugs are concerned. MMO's have some bugs to one degree or another, thats a fact of life and it is known and accepted by most people. Most players could overlook the problems in Pre-CU and somewhat in the CU because SWG was such a great game, obviously that changed dramatically in the NGE

Heres the differences with SWG though:

For most of its lifetime SWG had more bugs and problems than almost any MMO out there. There was no real big effort to fix most of these problems in SWG, feedback that they would be worked on at any point, or even that the Devs would acknowledge they existed let alone ever be fixed. Other MMOs don't delete/lock posts from players when reporting these problems and in many cases actually threaten or ban people who post about them.

SWG Devs are game Devs no matter what they're working on. IF they don't have half the team working on an expansions, revamps, or whatever guess what they could be doing? Yes thats right, their efforts could be spent on fixing problems.


Do you realize how much Dev time and effort was wasted on crap they invalidated just months later?

Say 20 Devs worked on the CURB, which took say 2-3 months, which was suddenly scrapped for the CU, which also took 2-3 months. They then spent the next 6 months trying to fix all the problems in the CU only to totally undo all that effort with the NGE.

2-3 months for CURB
2-3 months for CU
6 months trying to fix the CU, only to invalidate all of that effort for the NGE

Total of 10 to 12 months

Thats 10-12 months of 20 Devs effort pissed away for mechanics that disapeared the day the NGE went live. Now think about what could of been done in that time if these Devs had been working on something worthwhile. Thats just one example, theres more that could be given.

Bugs/Problems and SOEs blatant ignoring of those problems is the number one reason why SWG never took off in terms of sub numbers, players quit the game, others wouldn't try it, and why it has such a terrible reputation. The NGE was just the icing on the cake in a game with a long track record of being riddled with bugs and problems that never got fixed.


In a nutshell, people wanted a solid game, not a half assed game with half assed expansions and revamps.