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Originally posted by jdun1

I shouldn't have come back. Was reloading my ammo. However I have to make it clear that Hitler didn't attack us. Japan attack us. Hitler never wanted a war with the USA. He was force into a war with the USA when Japan attacked us.

The Democratic Underground is a bunch of welfare parasites losers. They feed on the blood of patriots and then backstabe those that gave them freedom.

The world is a very bad place outside from the West. Most of you guys just get fat, watch TV, and complain about stupid stuff. If you want to make the world a better place, the first thing you need to do is kill all the tyrants in the world. Believe me there are more tyrants wantabe then bullets.

Iraqi couldn’t obtain their freedom by themselves. They needed outside help. This is not like the West where you can protest freely without getting hurt. In fact these dictators will arrest the protesters and have them dig their own grave. This is what happened in Iraq. He killed millions of his own people and liberals think he was the greatest person on earth.

The only way to get rid of these kinds of dictators is to spill their blood on the tree of liberty. They are meat eaters and you need meat eaters to purge these scrums from the face of the earth.

The majority of Iraqi hated him. The attacks on US troops are what is left of the old government that supported him. They are helped by outside forces like Iran.  

Originally posted by jdun1

Originally posted by Mr.Knowitall

Originally posted by baff

The U.S. economy is oil dependant. It is not necessary to completely cut off America's oil supply to run up the price. To make business unprofitable at the cost of jobs, pensions and taxes across the nation. Driving up the price of every conceiveable consumer good across the board. (Including food). Middle Eastern intervention is necessary to the American way of life.

Anyone who thinks this is a case of good vs evil or right against wrong is a crank. The stakes are far higher than petty morality.

Wow.... someone who actually gets it.

I applaud your obviously well developed knowledge of the realities of the situation and your forthrightness in expressing them.

Here how the oil price works. The future market determines the price. Once the oil is in the open market anyone can buy them. It is bid on by brokers and anyone that has money to invest. That is the reasons why you see prices go up and down every day. In the summer price go up because demands are high and price goes down in the winter where demands are low. The future market prevents monopolies of commodities and stabilizes price.

It's supply and demand.

The more supply there is the lower the price. The less supply, the higher.

The futures market is when people speculate on what that price will be next year and pre-buy based on that speculation.

Prices go up and down each day because supply fluctuates each day. When their is a hurricane in gulf or a war in Iraq or a rebellion in Nigeria, oil prices do not wait one year to rise. They rise immediately.

Expected prices, just like actual prices, also fluctuate each day. By no means all oil is bought and sold on the futures market.

Monopolies are still possible with the futures market. A monopoly is not prevented by pre-buying, it is prevented by alternative sources. Despite future traders existing in the 70's, the OPEC cartel were still able to spark an energy crisis by using their monopoly to restrict oil sales.

Originally posted by jdun1

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by outfctrl
and exactly how many German civilians were killed on the attack on Germany at the end of WW2?  Maybe we should of left Hitler alone.  I am sure you would agree with that...right? 

Hitler attacked you.

You didn't go after him because he was a bad man and you are nice people.

 

I shouldn't have come back. Was reloading my ammo. However I have to make it clear that Hitler didn't attack us. Japan attack us. Hitler never wanted a war with the USA. He was force into a war with the USA when Japan attacked us.

Germany repeatedly attacked your shipping in the Atlantic. America similarly never wanted a war with Germany. They were forced into it by those attacks and the threat from Japan.

Germany had no mutual defence pact against the U.S. with Japan. Germany's stated reason for declaring war on the U.S. was the order given to sink German shipping on sight in the Atlantic.

As for the majority of Iraqi's hating Saddam, the majority of Brits hate Blair. Are you going to bomb us?

The last thing the world needs is to have all it's tyrants killed. Order and stability is by and large preferable to anarchy.

Do you believe that you know more about what's right for the Iraqi's than the Iraqi's themselves? It seems you do. Far better you destroy their goverment and make them live under your own preferred system......free.....

Free to live as you tell them to or die by your hands.

That's not what "liberty" is. That's not what "patriotism" is.

That has a different name entirely. It's called Fascism.

They have swapped a local dictator for a foreign one and a very bad place for total disaster. Only they didn't swap it, we took it away from them.

That's the price of the good life here in the west. We get fat, watch TV and complain about stupid stuff, at the cost of foreigners lives.

You can pretend we are doing them all a great big favour if you like. Perhaps it helps you sleep better.  Personally I think the people I sacrifice for my own well being deserve rather more respect.

Originally posted by Infliction
What about it? This is a discussion about defending against invaders. We are definately the invaders in Iraq. If a country invaded the U.S. and occupied and started pushing their own shit, would you just sit and take it? I certainly wouldn't...

If the US had a dictator that killed, raped and committed genocide, Yes, I would want someone to stop this madman.  I couldnt live in constant fear that my family would be butchered  on a false accusation.  You cant use the US as an example.  Yes, I would fight if we were invaded for no reason but to take us over.  We have one of the greatest Presidents in our History.  Our economy is growing, we have more money in our pockets and soon Iraq will have a free and prosperous nation. 

Originally posted by outfctrl

Originally posted by Infliction
What about it? This is a discussion about defending against invaders. We are definately the invaders in Iraq. If a country invaded the U.S. and occupied and started pushing their own shit, would you just sit and take it? I certainly wouldn't...

If the US had a dictator that killed, raped and committed genocide, Yes, I would want someone to stop this madman.  I couldnt live in constant fear that my family would be butchered  on a false accusation.  You cant use the US as an example.  Yes, I would fight if we were invaded for no reason but to take us over.  We have one of the greatest Presidents in our History.  Our economy is growing, we have more money in our pockets and soon Iraq will have a free and prosperous nation. 

 

Wow the delusion is complete.

EDIT: this post was my 666th post lets hope its not evil lol

George Bush should be tried and hung as a war criminal Outfctrl, he has caused the deaths of over 600k Iraqi civillians and its the politicians fault for bowing to big buisness that America is still so dependant on oil, ITS YOUR OWN FAULT! You elected officials that took money from oil lobbyists and those lobbyists made BILLIONS in the summer when oil prices spiked. Every single reason Bush said goin into Iraq was needed has been proven false and if he was really serious about getting the job done they would have spent alot more on their troops instead of cheaping out on them and fattening up the pockets of big buisness with government projects to build SHITTY buildings and rip off more $$.

12 BILLION dollars is now unacounted for! Thats literaly 320 tons of money lol! How the hell can a responsible country lose 12 billion dollars? Money & power is what its all about and if Iraq was so important and was such a good thing for the region then why was the USA one of the only major powers to go in? No other major country except Britton agreed with you and I think Britton only helped due to a sense of honor for American help in previous wars. The republicans and democrats are just puppets for agendas that groups of super rich and the so called "elite" who call the shots. I might be a conspriacy nut but I know what I know and I would bet my life its true!

Originally posted by Cryomatrix
Draenor,

Seriously man, get over  your fascination of the Koran, most muslims can't even read it and those muslims that can, don't even give a shit. Most of the middle east (arab countries) are not orthodox muslims, most of them don't care. What you see happen are political movements that use religion as a motivational tool. "help us repel the invaders and you'll not only be a wordly hero, but you'll go to heaven too" .

You can say the koran says X, Y, and Z and I will say most people are probably not aware of it and think it is also crazy if they were to hear it. Dude, I'm muslim, i've been to the middle east, i have, oh, let's see over 100 family members left in the middle east, how many of them even read the Koran? . . . maybe 5 out of 100.

I do have many relatives, especially the ones in the west bank, that are virulently nationalistic, if they do anything, it's because they are patriots of their own land and if they need extra motivation, they grab the Koran and take a few lines out of context and use it as virtual ammunition.

In all honesty, let's play a scenario.

China says US is a big threat to the world and they invade the US and wipe out the army and occupy the US, what would you call those who were the resistance? And you and I both know Outofctrl would be the first one with a bazooka on his shoulder :).

In reference to most muslims, what you see is a few idiotic retards that make the most noise and put the rest of the moderates in a bad name.

Cryomatrix