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Originally posted by Stoneysilenc

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Originally posted by Darksolitude
Sigil developed the game, for those of you that ACTUALLY purchased and installed the game, Sony's name is literally all over it. Not to mention Sony completely obliterated the original Vanguard forums that was created by Sigil that had threads specifically meant for player feedback. As Sigil, at least originally cared about it's players feedback and overall satisfaction with the game.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but Sigil is pulling the strings of this one. SOE provides servers, billing, marketing, tech support and distribution. Hence why their logo is all over it. Just like movies that are released by Pixar are distributed by Disney so they have the Disney logo all over them even though Disney was just the distributor, etc... Brad himself has said so about SOE. If you don't believe Brad then who are you gonna believe? Probably nobody.
Brad said HE didn't want official forums because it builds communities. SOE didn't take down the forums. All other SOE games have forums, Vanguard is the only one that doesn't.

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Well constructive criticism I can take, and I will honestly admit that those particular details were unknown to me. My only purpose in starting this thread was to state that the game as of right now is essentially paying a monthly subscription to beta test a game that obviously wasn't ready for release. Also that the game as of right now is borked beyond belief, something that people who are still teetering on whether or not to purchase the game right now to at least wait 6 months while hopefully all the game-breaking problems are ironed out. As they should take priority over completely screwing up character models and class skills. I appreciate the constructive criticism, as I meant for this originally to be an informative post, not a whining or bitchfest. Whereas everyone else just appears to see it as flame bait.

Originally posted by Darksolitude

Originally posted by Stoneysilenc

Originally posted by Darksolitude
Sigil developed the game, for those of you that ACTUALLY purchased and installed the game, Sony's name is literally all over it. Not to mention Sony completely obliterated the original Vanguard forums that was created by Sigil that had threads specifically meant for player feedback. As Sigil, at least originally cared about it's players feedback and overall satisfaction with the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Sigil is pulling the strings of this one.  SOE provides servers, billing, marketing, tech support and distribution.  Hence why their logo is all over it.   Just like movies that are released by Pixar are distributed by Disney so they have the Disney logo all over them even though Disney was just the distributor, etc...   Brad himself has said so about SOE.  If you don't believe Brad then who are you gonna believe?  Probably nobody.

Brad said HE didn't want official forums because it builds communities.  SOE didn't take down the forums.  All other SOE games have forums, Vanguard is the only one that doesn't.

Well constructive criticism I can take, and I will honestly admit that those particular details were unknown to me. My only purpose in starting this thread was to state that the game as of right now is essentially paying a monthly subscription to beta test a game that obviously wasn't ready for release. Also that the game as of right now is borked beyond belief, something that people who are still teetering on whether or not to purchase the game right now to at least wait 6 months while hopefully all the game-breaking problems are ironed out. As they should take priority over completely screwing up character models and class skills. I appreciate the constructive criticism, as I meant for this originally to be an informative post, not a whining or bitchfest. Whereas everyone else just appears to see it as flame bait.

Well if you had read about the game a little bit before buying it you would have run into a quote by Brad (CEO of Sigil) saying that they ran out of money and it was still in beta stages but it was release or die.

"Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara

Originally posted by damond5031
I would like to thank the OP for this thread as it has saved me from buying this broken game. To all you folks that come on here and bash folks for complaining about the fucked up game they bought, I implore you to stay  out of the forums and in game. If you  see nothing wrong with paying for a game that is full of bugs and runs like a model T with three tires than your a dumb ass..plain and simple.

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Originally posted by Stoneysilenc

Well if you had read about the game a little bit before buying it you would have run into a quote by Brad (CEO of Sigil) saying that they ran out of money and it was still in beta stages but it was release or die.
"Originally Posted by Aradune Mithara
As for launching, yes it may be fairly close to the WoW expansion, but that's not something we can control. SOE has given us financing that has gotten us a lot further than our previous publisher, but at some point you have to launch a game. If we could have a couple more months of development, sure, that would be great. If we could have another year, we could do a lot more too. But again, the game has to launch at some point and we know when that is. I'm pretty proud of how much funding, marketing, etc. we've received to-date. We have over 100 people workiing on this game. That said, we're not Blizzard either (yet). So the polish, time, and budet they had isn't what we've had, although we probably come in second. The game is also different -- Vanguard is more about freedom, attracting people who want a more challenging long term home, providing a game for old school EQ players and also WoW players looking for either/both something new and/or something more free and immersive. That means Vanguard is going to offer features and an evironment that is different and better IMHO than WoW, but also be a very different game than WoW, where we are focussed on different things and have different priorities."

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Well I purchased the game at release well aware of the bugs and problems that come with every game at release. It's not the game functionality issues that bother me, those I can accept as it is a new game that Sigil even admitted pre-release wasn't as ready as they would have liked it to be. What really irks me though is to have the servers go down during peaktime for an "emergency maintenance" where the majority of the playerbase thinks that the game functionality issues are being resolved. Only to log back on and not be able to kill the mobs I was having no problems with not two hours earlier. Right now, to me, it's Sigil's priorities that are in question, and whether or not this is setting a precedent as to whether any of the REAL problems with the game will be addressed first and foremost in the upcoming months.

Originally posted by giodee21
you obviously dont know how to use your skills properly or have yet to puchase foods to assist you in combat . There is a lengthy list of items to help including friendly buffs from other players . You dont need a group to trecieve the buffs either. I find it hard to beleive that you want another game of WOW the game was never suppose ot be easy . They didnt put the easy button in this game from what I remember. Go back to Turf battles or something where you can gain 50 levels in 30min. Your a sad excuse for a warrior and its time for me to move on to other flames of idots that dont want to learn the game. C-YA

Originally posted by Valorus

Originally posted by Darksolitude
(Taken from my posting on the Official VG boards)

Honestly I've been in denial about this game since Sigil decided to partner up with SOE, whom a lot of the gaming community has come to refer to as the "Almighty wielders of the nerf bats..." From Sony's name all over the game, as well as the forums, to the install folders for God sake! I had too much respect for Sigil to think they would let Sony take the reigns of a game that was in development for so long. I was hoping Sigil wouldn't let Sony the babysitter throttle their baby, but alas I was wrong. It appears Sony has done it again, as this last "emergency patch" was overriden with nerfs, raising the costs of combat abilities unecessarily, nerfing various classes and statistics like defense and damage mitigation, making an already solo-unfriendly game to another one of those "standing in town LFG for hours on end" types of games, a word of advice, most people don't want to play a game where half their game time is spent in town looking for groups. One would think fixing the problems with game functionality would be their first priority.

I had such high hopes for this game as did a lot of my close friends from other games that were going to migrate over to this game with me in the upcoming months, at least now I can tell them to save their money. I log onto my warrior whom I've already invested easily 100 hours into trying to make money and buy armor to raise my defense and mitigation in preparation for the daunting task of leveling a warrior, a "tank" class primarily solo. Upon logging in I get to see all my effort and time invested to upgrade my gear has been for nothing, as before this patch I was able to to solo mobs 2-3 levels lower than me in groups of 2-3 reasonably well, with little downtime, only to get back on the game after the patch and have the EXACT same mobs almost kill me. Seeing as how my mitigation means nothing now, and that it will be nigh impossible to level my warrior up solo at this point, I'll likely be moving on to the next game and bringing my close friends here and from other games with me. I hope Sigil learns their lesson, their heart was in the right place, but I suppose everyone has a price...

Anyone else that is of the same mentality please feel free to post your thoughts to save others like us in the gaming community the unecessary frustration.

Maybe you think one shot killing is fun.  Maybe you think running from point A to the other side of the world, point B in 3 seconds is fun, but there are many more out there that play games for the challenge. 

I'd suggest you go back and read the FAQ.  It's been stated so many times that the game is meant to be hard and lets face it there are a lot of classes right now that make the game a cake walk.

 

Sounds to me that those things should have been taken care of during beta, after all thats what its for.

I just went from wanting to play this, back to wanted to not.

Originally posted by Pkpie
I agree with Darksolitude.  I want my money back.  Bought the game with a visa and will see about returning it, then most likely disputing the charges as the game fails to work as advertised.  At least it crashes all the time and gives us an excuse to return it.

Anyone who was paying attention knew that Vanguard was going to be solo unfriendly and raid centric, even though Brad and company lied and said Vanguard would satisfy all types of gamers. The game mechanics are specifically designed to limit achievement to forced grouping, so wether you are a hardcore soloer or casual gamer does not matter, you will always be a second class citizen in Vanguard unless you group and raid.

The removal of a centralized forum is right out of SOE's playbook. It's what they did with the original EQ1 forums when they shut them down because it allowed the playerbase to unify and voice complaints that SOE did not want to acknowledge and Gordon Wrinn couldn't manage the boards effectively.

SOE is clearly involved in the decision making process of Vanguard, they were instrumental in pushing for an early release even though the game is not polished and still in beta.

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Originally posted by Samuraisword
Anyone who was paying attention knew that Vanguard was going to be solo unfriendly and raid centric, even though Brad and company lied and said Vanguard would satisfy all types of gamers. The game mechanics are specifically designed to limit achievement to forced grouping, so wether you are a hardcore soloer or casual gamer does not matter, you will always be a second class citizen in Vanguard unless you group and raid.
The removal of a centralized forum is right out of SOE's playbook. It's what they did with the original EQ1 forums when they shut them down because it allowed the playerbase to unify and voice complaints that SOE did not want to acknowledge and Gordon Wrinn couldn't manage the boards effectively.
SOE is clearly involved in the decision making process of Vanguard, they were instrumental in pushing for an early release even though the game is not polished and still in beta.

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WoW you clearly know nothing about this game's development. While I agree VG is a horrible mess the removal of forums was part and parcel a planned thing done by Sigil. Even when they were signed up with Microsoft the dev's and Brad let everyone know via their extensive faq that there would be no forums after launch. Please don't make yourself look like anymore of fool by blaming this on SOE. Take off you SOE hating tinfoil hate and relax.

As for the early release well you can only blame SOE in that they wanted to see their investment come back before sinking any more cash into VG black hole. Then again if it weren't for Sigil signing on with SOE the game known as VG would be vaporware. Especially after Sigil bought out their contract from Microsoft and effectively forced themselves to run out of cash prematurely.

This is a Sigil game all the way. This is the vision of Brad and Sigil. SOE was just dumb ( or smart if you look at it from another angle ) to offer Brad and Sigil a deal to publish the game under the SOE banner since no one else wanted this mess of a game.

Originally posted by BarenMordega

I also had high hopes for VG.  After this patch my confidence in the devs (i dont care if its sigil or SOE) has been shaken.  I am also a warrior, even before this nerf patch I still had a good bit of trouble soloing, but now, wow, I can't solo anything. 

 

I realize the flames towards this post are "What did you expect, an easy game?"  But honestly, with a world so massive and so little of a population, it really is extremely difficuilt to find anyone to group with.  Even if you do find a group, usually they are half retarded and end up wiping.  Anything that Smedly is able to fuck up, fucks up, wether SOE is developing it or not, this game is fucked beyond beleif after this patch.  Unless they unfuck what they fucked up tonight, I see this game ending up like SWG.  Im not one for crying, I love a nice challenge in a game, but sheesh.  Between the bugs and the new nerf patch, its damn near impossible.

Originally posted by damond5031
I would like to thank the OP for this thread as it has saved me from buying this broken game. To all you folks that come on here and bash folks for complaining about the fucked up game they bought, I implore you to stay  out of the forums and in game. If you  see nothing wrong with paying for a game that is full of bugs and runs like a model T with three tires than your a dumb ass..plain and simple.

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Originally posted by spiritglow
Wow you clearly don't listen or comprehend well what you've read. The timing of the announcement to not have an official forum is not an indicator for or against Samuraisword's theory. I happen to believe Samuraisword's theory is plausible.

Spiritglow

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He provides no evidence other then irrational assumptions and unproven claims. Again the idea behind not having official forums is a Sigil move. End of Story.

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Originally posted by sebbonx

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Originally posted by damond5031
I would like to thank the OP for this thread as it has saved me from buying this broken game. To all you folks that come on here and bash folks for complaining about the fucked up game they bought, I implore you to stay out of the forums and in game. If you see nothing wrong with paying for a game that is full of bugs and runs like a model T with three tires than your a dumb ass..plain and simple.

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Right on! I was telling everyone how bad this game was and no one listened, this is a gas to read. It gets sold lock, stock, and barrel to SOE next while Brad moves on to his "sequel" and you get stuck holding the bag! Next if you don't raid ungodly amounts of hours a week your character becomes unplayable in the new expansions till you gear every slot with your present expansions best raid gear, A.K.A. tanks in EQ. Then they cancel the whole thing after they have no players! Here is laughing at you, there are 800 players in WoW for every ONE playing Vanguard!

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That seems to be his and Sigil's "Modus operandi".